Perpetual virginity of Mary mother of God!
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i have read your drivel and no; it has not been addressed at all.
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer;
and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
(1 Corinthians 7:5)
your goddess-worship makes Mary in perpetual sin against her husband, defrauding him all the days of her temporary earthly life.and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
(1 Corinthians 7:5)
you ignore scripture in order to worship her, and in doing so you make her wicked.
Why would mary cave and give to Joseph what she refused to give to God even rejecting the exalted dignity of mother of God and mother of our salvation
Lk 1:34 if it meant violation of her perpetual virginity
Lk 1:34 if it meant violation of her perpetual virginity
why is it blasphemous?
Why does it need be in scripture?
What is the source of truth and rule of faith and the pillar and ground of truth
Not "first" but "first-born".
Jesus is "first-born"
And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” (Heb 1:6)
It was there is post #111
Then His brothers and His mother came, and standing outside they sent to Him, calling Him. And a multitude was sitting around Him; and they said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking You.”
But He answered them, saying, “Who is My mother, or My brothers?” And He looked around in a circle at those who sat about Him, and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
(Mark 3:31-35)
But He answered them, saying, “Who is My mother, or My brothers?” And He looked around in a circle at those who sat about Him, and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
(Mark 3:31-35)
here Jesus indicates Mary was in sin, not doing the will of God. at that time, certainly so!
for:
But when His own people heard, they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said, “He is out of His mind.”
(Matk 3:21)
(Matk 3:21)
she thought He was crazy. she was there with His carnal brothers, her sons, to take Him
is this what you call 'perpetual fasting and prayer' while she defrauds her husband, Mssr. Mungo?
1 Cor 7:3
"Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband." (KJV)
Three questions:
1. What is the "due benevolence" that each is due?
2. Is Paul ruling this in every possible circumstance or is he just making a general observation?
Bear in mind what he says in verse 5 "Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time"
And in verse 6 "But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment."
3. Is Paul addressing Christians only or is he applying this to pagans and Jews as well?
- v.5 makes that extremely clear.
- casting shade on Paul doesn't make your case. it means you've lost your case.
- casting shade on Paul doesn't make your case. it means you've lost your case.
They were legally married.
When the angel appears to Mary shey is in the first stage of marriage.
At this stage she is legally married to Joseph.
"Once kiddushin is complete, the woman is legally the wife of the man. The relationship created by kiddushin can only be dissolved by death or divorce." (Judaism 101)
Hence Mt 1:19 "and her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly."
Proving That Mary is not a goddess and this tittle does not apply to Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God!
Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amounts women.
How can a goddess be full of grace?
Hail Mary full of grace!
How can the Lord be with a goddess?
The lord is with thee!
How can a goddess be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!
Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
How can a goddess be the mother of God?
Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
How could a goddess be faithful?
Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
How could a goddess glorify God or have a savior?
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
How could a goddess be humble?
Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
How could a goddess be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus?
Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
How could a goddess be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?
Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
How could a goddess be our spiritual mother?
Only a heretical fundamentalists brainwashing can say so!
A good tree!
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
A good tree!
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!
All generations shall call me blessed (not goddess) cos they are thanking Mary for our salvation! Mother of our savior! To love Mary is to love salvation!
A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
A sinner would be an evil tree with evil fruit, but the fruit of Mary is salvation!
Mary brings in the good fruits of our redemption and salvation!
Bob Carabbio
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Bewcause it gives the Cathol;ic Mary thing Status and authority in the Kingdom of God that she never possessed in actuality, and diminishes the role of JESUS, questioning HIS wisdom and love for us.
It doesn't, BUT it also shouldn't be OPPOSED To what's in Scripture. READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF AND LET THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDE YOUR UNDERSTANDING!!!!!
The The HOLY SPIRIT, of course. He's IN the real Church of Jesus Christ. That spiritual body through the ages built of Born AGain People living and physically dead, whos "HEAD" is Jesus Christ.
The "Holy Roman Catholic Church Corp." is OBVIOUSLY NOT that church at all, and never was.
The Orthodox Catholic church denominations with their problems, are CLOSER to the REAL Church than Rome (the first protestants) ever was.
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already discussed.
- clearly we are talking about sex. see v.5
- casting shade on the scripture doesn't make your case; it indicates you have no case
- casting shade on the scripture doesn't make your case; it indicates you have no case
why is it so important to you that Mary be in perpetual sin, defrauding her husband all the days of her earthly life?
how can the queen diminish the king
All that belongs to the king also belongs to the queen
also mary is His mother and parents have a right to the possessions of children
Bob Carabbio
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UTTER FOOLISHNESS!!!!! Only the protestant visible churches give the Mary, Jesus' mother, proper recognition.
talk to Tertullian.
But whenever a dispute arises about the nativity, all who reject it as creating a presumption in favour of the reality of Christ's flesh, wilfully deny that God Himself was born, on the ground that He asked, Who is my mother, and who are my brethren? Let, therefore, Apelles hear what was our answer to Marcion in that little work, in which we challenged his own (favourite) gospel to the proof, even that the material circumstances of that remark (of the Lord's) should be considered. First of all, nobody would have told Him that His mother and brethren were standing outside, if he were not certain both that He had a mother and brethren, and that they were the very persons whom he was then announcing — who had either been known to him before, or were then and there discovered by him; although heretics have removed this passage from the gospel, because those who were admiring His doctrine said that His supposed father, Joseph the carpenter, and His mother Mary, and His brethren, and His sisters, were very well known to them. But it was with the view of tempting Him, that they had mentioned to Him a mother and brethren which He did not possess. The Scripture says nothing of this, although it is not in other instances silent when anything was done against Him by way of temptation. Behold, it says, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted Him. Luke 10:25 And in another passage: The Pharisees also came unto Him, tempting Him. Who was to prevent its being in this place also indicated that this was done with the view of tempting Him? I do not admit what you advance of your own apart from Scripture. Then there ought to be suggested some occasion for the temptation. What could they have thought to be in Him which required temptation? The question, to be sure, whether He had been born or not? For if this point were denied in His answer, it might come out on the announcement of a temptation. And yet no temptation, when aiming at the discovery of the point which prompts the temptation by its doubtfulness, falls upon one so abruptly, as not to be preceded by the question which compels the temptation while raising the doubt. Now, since the nativity of Christ had never come into question, how can you contend that they meant by their temptation to inquire about a point on which they had never raised a doubt? Besides, if He had to be tempted about His birth, this of course was not the proper way of doing it — by announcing those persons who, even on the supposition of His birth, might possibly not have been in existence. We have all been born, and yet all of us have not either brothers or mother. He might with more probability have had even a father than a mother, and uncles more likely than brothers. Thus is the temptation about His birth unsuitable, for it might have been contrived without any mention of either His mother or His brethren. It is clearly more credible that, being certain that He had both a mother and brothers, they tested His divinity rather than His nativity, whether, when within, He knew what was without; being tried by the untrue announcement of the presence of persons who were not present.
- Tertullian, 'On the Flesh of Christ' ch. 7, AD 203
- Tertullian, 'On the Flesh of Christ' ch. 7, AD 203
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