Personal responsibility

[Vince]

I am sure I don't want to. I declare God and Christ, I don't make Him appealing.

This is true.

Yes, the Bible says that. So?

Do you think that beating slaves, sex slavery and forcing women to marry their rapists is moral?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Christianity is just a cult that celebrates the death of one man. That you must believe another person has to die for you to escape your personal responsibility.

It is not true morality, and it is not healthy to think that you can throw your issues onto someone else.

Hebrews 5:8 does not speak of escaping personal responsibility “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Neither does Hebrews 12:9-11 speak of escaping personal responsibility “Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us , and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? [10] For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. [11] Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.”

Which goes back to Adam and Eve hiding. Why didn’t they step out when God called; knowing they had done wrong and subject themselves God and live?

Like Richard Dawkins said.

"If God wanted to forgive, why didn't he just forgive?"

Richard Dawkins also said: “Personally, I rather look forward to a computer program winning the world chess championship. Humanity needs a lesson in humility.”

Humanity needs a lesson in humility. How close Richard Dawkins came Yet missed it. a computer program winning a world chess championship could never teach humanity humility. Do you really want to follow someone who believes a computer could teach humanity humility through a game of wits? Yet disregard Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28
[27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

“Biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose.” Richard Dawkins

 

[bbyrd009]

This is true.

Do you think that beating slaves, sex slavery and forcing women to marry their rapists is moral?

Pssshhh, all slaves are willing slaves imo, how bout stoning to death for lying?
Imagine ppl wanting to stone you to death for saying that God is their Father, Vince.
Romans 8:2 Lexicon: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

a secret, an open secret, that most Believers don't even know, Vinnie, is that there was a literal law of sin and death, too i guess, see...the spiritual one, the one the "Literalists" read there no problem? That one is still in full effect bro. Iow you get that right and they get it ezackly opposite, choosing a spiritual reading at that particular spot Bc it comports with their tares-high, see. Tares are not weeds, even though modern Xlations and even dictionaries now are working hard seems like to fwd that pov.

tell one about the literal one and you more than likely get confused looks at best, try it and see.

Vince you are reading ezackly what you want to read bro, and i know you don't know me but i'm as religious as any dope-smoking biker you ever met, i guess, and i tell you that that Book will pin every single person you ever talk to again to a wall, a map...and they will open up to you like a flower. You will be accused of reading pls minds lol.

 

[Vince]

Pssshhh, all slaves are willing slaves imo,

This is demonstrably false.

how bout stoning to death for lying?
Imagine ppl wanting to stone you to death for saying that God is their Father, Vince.
Romans 8:2 Lexicon: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

a secret, an open secret, that most Believers don't even know, Vinnie, is that there was a literal law of sin and death, too i guess, see...the spiritual one, the one the "Literalists" read there no problem? That one is still in full effect bro. Iow you get that right and they get it ezackly opposite, choosing a spiritual reading at that particular spot Bc it comports with their tares-high, see. Tares are not weeds, even though modern Xlations and even dictionaries now are working hard seems like to fwd that pov.

tell one about the literal one and you more than likely get confused looks at best, try it and see.

Vince you are reading ezackly what you want to read bro, and i know you don't know me but i'm as religious as any dope-smoking biker you ever met, i guess, and i tell you that that Book will pin every single person you ever talk to again to a wall, a map...and they will open up to you like a flower.

Another non answer to an easy question.

 

[bbyrd009]

This is demonstrably false.

yes it is, i agree, and it is also completely true from a diff perspective, Vince. And fwiw the perspective is addressed in Scripture too, the Bible and other Writings, at some length even. I worked on a chain-gang in Tx, my first stint, i was an unwilling slave, let me tell you. No, i mean "i tell you what." ya, ya. Now i can't claim that they made me second in command under Pharaoh or anything, Vince, but you prolly wouldn't believe what i could claim, and i was a raging smart-ass back then, ha what has changed there lol

Another non answer to an easy question.

sure, Bc you have an agenda here, see, you have a preconceived notion that you believe as strongly as any believer believes theirs, so let me ask you Vince, what would it take, what evidence would convince you that you are on a false trail here bro. Say it.

Bc fwiw i tell you that a lot of believers are about to be very pissed off at God--too--and as you have found the Pearl i hate to see you in reverse here bro. I was mad at God myself, 40 years maybe, just got over it this morning.

Prolly be mad again tomorrow lol. No, might be.
No, i think I'm almost over that now.
i am

 

[bbyrd009]

y'all don't forget, after you leave town, when it gets really bad,
As you think, so are you

 

[Nancy]

Pssshhh, all slaves are willing slaves imo, how bout stoning to death for lying?
Imagine ppl wanting to stone you to death for saying that God is their Father, Vince.
Romans 8:2 Lexicon: For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

a secret, an open secret, that most Believers don't even know, Vinnie, is that there was a literal law of sin and death, too i guess, see...the spiritual one, the one the "Literalists" read there no problem? That one is still in full effect bro. Iow you get that right and they get it ezackly opposite, choosing a spiritual reading at that particular spot Bc it comports with their tares-high, see. Tares are not weeds, even though modern Xlations and even dictionaries now are working hard seems like to fwd that pov.

tell one about the literal one and you more than likely get confused looks at best, try it and see.

Vince you are reading ezackly what you want to read bro, and i know you don't know me but i'm as religious as any dope-smoking biker you ever met, i guess, and i tell you that that Book will pin every single person you ever talk to again to a wall, a map...and they will open up to you like a flower. You will be accused of reading pls minds lol.

I kinda got that Mark! :)
BTW- "a secret, an open secret" Is that not kind of oxymoronish?

 

[Vince]

sure, Bc you have an agenda here, see, you have a preconceived notion that you believe as strongly as any believer believes theirs, so let me ask you Vince, what would it take, what evidence would convince you that you are on a false trail here bro. Say it.

Everyone has an agenda. I don't know but I am open to being provided evidence. You need to demonstrate that these verse were never intended to be taken seriously or at least literally.

Bc fwiw i tell you that a lot of believers are about to be very pissed off at God--too--and as you have found the Pearl i hate to see you in reverse here bro. I was mad at God myself, 40 years maybe, just got over it this morning.

I am not mad at god, that is a false claim. I have no good reason to believe god exists. I am against the morality that the bible supports.

 

[Stranger]

nice bro, and concise,
how ya been?

Fine, thank you. Yourself?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

This is true.

Do you think that beating slaves, sex slavery and forcing women to marry their rapists is moral?

Morality has nothing to do with it. That is man's term by which he judges what he thinks is good. Morality can change from one culture to another.

Give me the Scriptures you are addressing. If an institution of slavery exists, and a slave is disobedient, and God said that beatings are needed, then they are needed. Give me the Scripture concerning the rape you are addressing.

Stranger

 

[brakelite]

All shall be resurrected.

John 5
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Glory to God,
Taken

Not from the second death

 

[Stranger]

Jelly Jam, I'm just addressing your pm. There are very few men I will pm, because I do not feel comfortable private messaging men. But that girl in the picture is my daughter, and if she ever became a whore as you asked, I can tell her of this passage:

The scribes and the Pharisees *brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court, they *said to Him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?” They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, “He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.” ]
JOHN 8:3‭-‬7‭, ‬9‭-‬11 NASB

Jesus Christ is not out to condemn people to Hell. Jesus is willing to forgive. It is why He gave His own life, so that we wouldnt have to be condemned. Because God is just and completely righteous. A lie is like murder. If you even think it in your heart it is as if you have committed it.

In the future,leave my daughter out of any questions you have and don't pm me. I will not answer back.

If I was saved from being stoned, He'll even more so, I would want to change my ways and serve my Savior. I do.

I would report him. Sorry you have to be subject to such.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

the first to tell his side seems right, until another comes and examines him tho right

Fine, thank you. Yourself?

Stranger

ah, still getting out of my own way here I guess. :)

edit, ok that is not reading the same way I was saying, at all, hmm. I meant getting as in a work in progress, iow basically still not getting, entirely at least...but I guess the Akkadian tongues delineate the diff in tenses there anyway. English tho, huh?

 

[bbyrd009]

Everyone has an agenda.

ah, do they?

I just noticed (again) that the "for everyone else" part is always inferred there, innit

I don't know but I am open to being provided evidence.

you think? Gotta say I like you quite a bit but I would bet my right arm that that is not true Vince

You need to demonstrate that these verse were never intended to be taken seriously or at least literally.

I do? I gotta tell ya vinnie I am sitting here fresh as a daisy, @ max empathy, tryna feel that need, and I just don't think so, wadr. no offense but that feels like that would even be a sin. I would approach that from the exact opposite direction myself

I am not mad at god, that is a false claim.

so you say, yes. do you have autocorrect on that gadget you're using, Vinnie? hmm, gadget has 2 gs in it, who knew

I have no good reason to believe god exists.

I have already agreed there V, still do bro. But again I am detecting some need for um rebound wadr, a 180 change of direction might really help there, ok. You have no good reason to assume God does not exist either, right. And somehow that fleece thingy I brought up, we never discussed that, huh.

How come, do you say?

I am against the morality that the bible supports.

well so you say, but you insist upon viewing from your frame of reference there, see, you just proved that, and what you bless will be blessed and what you curse will be cursed i reckon, so it's totally up to you ok but i'd do a 180 there too bro. See you say you're against that morality, but I read that God was against it too, even blew that whole nation up right. Scattered them like chaff, He did. Heck I cant find one, single good thing was said about OT Israel lol; can you Quote one? One. Or you just gonna skip this post now too

 

[bbyrd009]

I kinda got that Mark! :)
BTW- "a secret, an open secret" Is that not kind of oxymoronish?

ha you'd think so, huh. Been thinking about this one all night, and what comes out is
"the Federal Reserve is under which Department of the Gov?"
which I usually give a short list of the obvious suspects, but for you i'm gonna make an exception :}

 

[Taken]

Not from the second death

Ofcourse.
The second death is the Judgement for those resurrected of Damnation.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Nancy]

ha you'd think so, huh. Been thinking about this one all night, and what comes out is
"the Federal Reserve is under which Department of the Gov?"
which I usually give a short list of the obvious suspects, but for you i'm gonna make an exception :}

Oh, gee thanks! Well, the Fed. Res. belongs to itself! The World Bank isn't part of our Govt. you know, the monster that a handful of Illuminati own and run?

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh, gee thanks! Well, the Fed. Res. belongs to itself! The World Bank isn't part of our Govt. you know, the monster that a handful of Illuminati own and run?

so, did you know that 20 years ago? forty? to make the point.

so, I take it you do not use $ any more, right, you avoid them like the plague?
no buyers = no sellers I guess, bc obv no one is selling what no one is buying right

 

[Mayflower]

I would report him. Sorry you have to be subject to such.

Stranger

Well I havent responded to his pms just saying hi either. He didnt know and know debaters can get rough sometimes. Now he has been warned. Mama Bear protects baby bear. Lol. But my rules of talking to men too... @JellyJam I'm sorry if it seems unfriendly. I just don't pm men. Hi is about as far as I go. Cuz I tend to share my lifestory to people. And I am married. Lol. Now you know. I would report now that you do know though...

 

[Butterfly]

Well I havent responded to his pms just saying hi either. He didnt know and know debaters can get rough sometimes. Now he has been warned. Mama Bear protects baby bear. Lol. But my rules of talking to men too... @JellyJam I'm sorry if it seems unfriendly. I just don't pm men. Hi is about as far as I go. Cuz I tend to share my lifestory to people. And I am married. Lol. Now you know. I would report now that you do know though...

I am not sure whether he has access to the forum anymore, don't quite know how things work out but his profile is unavailable. Haven't seen him post for a few days X
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