Peter identifies Jesus as our God and Savior

[Taken]

Ok, to be more specific, those who believe in the Trinity are trying to teach that Jesus and God are the same person. I also never said God was created, no matter how much anyone tries to twist what I say, that I did.

Whose words are You speaking?
Is that YOU Barney?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

You really do not know how to ...
Quote what I say...
Disagree...
And provide a Scripture to SHOW the Scripture in Opposition to my Quote...

Responding with snide snarky remarks...
Simply reveals... your own lack of understanding and inability to Scripturally refute what I say.

Even if I quoted scripture you would deny it. I found that out long ago about you.

 

[kcnalp]

Those who believe in the Trinity are the ones who deny that it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became human not the kingdom Hall. Those who continue to deny it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became human are the false prophets, not the kingdom Hall.

No Scripture? Of course not! Your own NWT says you're wrong!

 

[kcnalp]

No, that's you.

How about some NWT?
Rev 20 "They will be tormented day and night forever and ever".
John 20 Thomas said to Jesus, "My Lord and my God".

 

[101G]

No, you're

nope, concering God, don't try to change the subject

what of God was begotten?, him the Spirit, or the flesh/body that he came in? ... which one.... and if you want to apply this to humans U can... your answer, and please answer by scripture, no personal opinions, only scriptures to show what was begotten.


Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[kcnalp]

All things were made for him, and through him (via - by the way of - with him in mind)

3 All things were made by him;

 

[kcnalp]

Your own personal misunderstanding. Now, go away.

All of our English Bibles say you're wrong. No wonder you want me to "go away".

 

[Taken]

Even if I quoted scripture you would deny it. I found that out long ago about you.

I found out a long time ago ...people making claims for an other, the other did not claim...
Is called A Lie!

 

[Waiting on him]

Even if I quoted scripture you would deny it. I found that out long ago about you.

Revelation 1:7-8 KJV
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
THE ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!

whom do you profess as Lord?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Revelation 1:7-8 KJV
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
THE ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!

whom do you profess as Lord?

And what, you take this scripture literally, do you?

 

[Taken]

No he wasn't, God created Jesus. Get real!

Such irony!
ohn 1:1-3 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him;

Yes, I understand you're avoiding the Scriptures.
Col 1 By Jesus all things were created. Just like John 1!
"3 All things were made by him;"

He is not after the Truth.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

I found out a long time ago ...people making claims for an other, the other did not claim...
Is called A Lie!

Then you judge yourself, don't you Taken?

 

[Waiting on him]

And what, you take this scripture literally, do you?

Well, tell us all how this scripture should be viewed.

 

[Taken]

Then you judge yourself, don't you Taken?

Sure I judge myself...All the time. You should try it.

 

[101G]

it's amazing how (some christians), not all can understand the scriptures rightly before them, without a PHD, or DD.

I asked BARNEY BRIGHT a point balnk question, "Who or what was begotten of God?". God is a Spirit, per John 4:24a. and God was here before the world. now if a christian think God, who is Spirit was born, or "created", maybe as a topic states, they have a "doobie", or a blunt, or a Joint, or as some say, a "san fransisco cigarette" in one hand .... only...

but one need to know, by understanding scriptures, that the Son of Man is the diversified spirit of God, (his OWN Arm), shared, or as the definition of G243 allos states in flesh. note the small cap "s" in spirit....

the Son of God is begotten, flesh, as Isaiah 9:6, and Isaiah chapter 53 clearly points out. when christians make and understand the distinction of the two then the bible opens up their knowledge of understanding.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[kcnalp]

Revelation 1:7-8 KJV
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
THE ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!

whom do you profess as Lord?

Michael maybe?

 

[Waiting on him]

Michael maybe?

Scary.

 

[101G]

whom do you profess as Lord?

@kcnalp
Michael maybe?


you are kidding right....... right.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[kcnalp]

whom do you profess as Lord?

@kcnalp
Michael maybe?


you are kidding right....... right.

Kidding that JW's believe Jesus is Michael? No.

 

[ChristisGod]

Michael maybe?

No its Jesus.These passages in Revelation make it clear that Jesus is God. Remember it is Jesus in the NT who is Coming back to earth that every eye will see. It was Jesus who was pierced on the cross for our sins. John is clearly once again calling Jesus God!!!!!!! The Coming and the coming in the clouds never refers to the Father in the NT but always to Jesus.

Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

We know from Revelation 1:8 that Alpha and Omega is the Almighty. So we can see that Christ is the Almighty

Revelation 1:17
17And when I saw Him, I fell at his feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I Am the first and the last:

We know from Revelation 1:17-18 that the first and the last is He that lives, was dead but is alive forevermore is Christ.

Revelation 2:8
"To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again.

Revelation 22:12-13
12 "Behold, I Am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done. 13 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."

We know from Revelation 22:13 that the first and the last is the Alpha and Omega.

Revelation 22:16,20
16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I Am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

The immediate text clearly tells us that it was Jesus who was pierced and who is Coming in the clouds. This person coming in the clouds is God(Jesus-the Son of Man),

Daniel 7:13-14
And behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like a Son of Man was coming,
And He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.
14 "And to Him was given dominion,
Glory and a kingdom,
That all the peoples, nations and men of every language
Might serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion
Which will not pass away;
And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.

Matthew 24:30-31
30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64
Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

1 Thessalonians 4:17-18
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Revelation 1:7-8
7 BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen.
8 "I Am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

So we can see that the One who comes/is coming in the NT always refers to Jesus the Son of Man and NEVER refers to the Father. Therefore we can conclude it is Jesus who is coming whom John calls God the Alpha and Omega. This is sound biblical exegesis based on the context of the passage as well as the principle established in both Testaments on the One who is Coming in/with the Clouds- The Son of Man not the Father !!!!!!

Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel
And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,
And there is no God besides Me.

Isaiah 48:12
"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.

hope this helps !!!