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Peter identifies Jesus as our God and Savior

Discussion in 'Christian Debate Forum' started by Christophany, Oct 23, 2020.

  1. BARNEY BRIGHT

    BARNEY BRIGHT Well-Known Member

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    I didn't say it had anything to do with Michael when I said you twist Scripture or take it out of context. That's just your assumption.
    What you call brainwashed is anybody who disagrees with you. It's a terrible horrible thing for a person to think for himself/herself according to you. You try to dictate to people what religious organization people should listen to that's why you judge like you do. Judging like you do is a form of intimidation and intimidation is a form of brainwashing.
     
  2. BARNEY BRIGHT

    BARNEY BRIGHT Well-Known Member

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    No by ignoring what Jesus said at John 20:17. You think what Thomas said is more important than what Jesus said at John 20:17. What Jesus said after his resurrection at John 20:17 is the truth Jesus wasn't lying when he said that. What Thomas said at John 20:28 doesn't disprove what Jesus said.
    The simple fact is that Jesus is a god. The word God means, "a strong one," he is called the mighty God at Isaiah 9:6 and is called the only begotten god at John 1:18.
    The fact that Jehovah God is called the Almighty God tells us that there are other persons who are God's who are not as mighty as the Almighty God Jehovah. So Thomas can Jesus God, but not, THE God. Also three verses after what Thomas said Jesus is said to be the Son of God at John 20:29-31. So everything that John wrote was to help us have faith that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, not God.
    So there wasn't any objection to John reporting that Thomas addressed Jesus as a diety, and John doesn't say that Thomas address to Jesus, my Lord and My God was to make us believe that Jesus was or is The God, but instead it teaches us to have faith that Jesus is God's Son. In this same chapter at John 20:17 Jesus said he was ascending to his Father and your Father and his God and your God. Jesus wasn't ascending to himself.
     
  3. BARNEY BRIGHT

    BARNEY BRIGHT Well-Known Member

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    i keep seeing how you keep ignoring John 20:17
     
  4. BARNEY BRIGHT

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    No I said that God was speaking to his Only Begotten Son at Genesis 1: 26. Like always you twist what people say. There is no co-creator so no Jesus isn't a co-creator but he is a master worker working with his Father who is God abd the Only creator.
     
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    First of all the four Hebrew consonants that represents the personal name have always been in the scriptures. Maybe you think it's ok to take the four Hebrew consonants out of Scripture and replace it words such as Lord and God. Maybe you don't think it's insigficant that these four Hebrew consonants were in the scriptures more times than titles such as, "Sovereign Lord" or Lord" or "God." The very fact that the True God Inspired men to write down these four Hebrew consonants YHWH more times than such titles as Sovereign Lord or Lord or God shows that the True God thinks his name YHWH is far more important to him than titles such as Sovereign Lord or Lord or God. Maybe you don't think what God did is of any importance when he inspired men to write down YHWH more than such titles as Sovereign Lord, Lord, or God. I do, because I believe what God does and how he thinks should be more important to mankind.
    Also I know that names like Yawah or Jehovah are most likely not how the 4 Hebrews consonants are pronounced but since no one truly knows how the 4 Hebrew consonants were accurately pronounced I see no reason to stop pronouncing the 4 Hebrew consonants as Jehovah.

    I really don't worry about what the majority think or believe. There's been a history of the majority believing something to be true and it has been shown through time that the majority were wrong. The problem is that mankind just doesn't learn from that. So I could care less what the majority think about Granvilles Sharp rule, the point is not all agree with that rule and your reasoning that it has to be true is simply because the majority thinks it's True. Yeah because the majority are never wrong.

    As I said regarding 2 Peter chapter one, is that verse two of that chapter shows that God and Jesus are distinct separate persons not the same person. I'm not going to ignore that just because of a rule someone thinks is more important than scripture.
     
  6. BARNEY BRIGHT

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    So according to you everyone who doesn't know Greek should listen to some judgmental person like you who denies it was God's Only Begotten Son that God sent to this world. Who denies it was the Only Begotten Son who died for mankind and who denies it was the Only Begotten Son that God resurrected three days later. No thank you I don't want to belong with a religious organization that denies all that.
     
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    You're accusing me of what Kingdom Hall teaches its victims to do.
     
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    Thomas knew Jesus personally and called Jesus "my God"! You're gonna have to face up to it sooner or later.
     
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    Why don't you quote John 20:17??? Do you have to get permission from KH?
     
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    Obviously you've never read Gen 1:26. Do you need to get permission? How many years were you brainwashed at Kingdom Hall?
     
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    Are you a god?
     
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    Why don't JW's answer questions? Do you need permission?
     
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    Because the word, "Jehovah" was concocted by a Spanish Dominican monk - Raymundo Martini in his treatise Pugio Fidei in 1250.

    The fact that YOU hang so much importance on a completely made-up word shows mw that you're NOT a serious Bible student - but simply another unfortunate dupe of false prophets Charles Taze Russell and his minions.

    You ARE correct about ONE thing though - you see NO reason . . .
     
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    How many years did you say you were brainwashed at Kingdom Hall?
     
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    The kingdom Hall doesn't do what you say they do.
     
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    Nope, you believe Thomas I believe Jesus. You think following Thomas is better than following Jesus.
     
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    The everlasting fire will have millions of Kingdom Hall victims, "forever and ever"!
     
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    Why can't you read John 20:17 and believe what Jesus said?
     
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    You can read scripture and still not know the truth.
     
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    Jesus said the judges of Israel were God's.
     
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