Physician Assisted Suicide

[Helen]

Personally, I think it is up to God when it is our time not humans to decide.

But this is why I feel the matter of life and death should be left in God's hands.

If you both REALLY believe that...then why run to the doctor or hospital to "save your life".....just trust God. You can't have it both ways.
You compromise. ie.
" I trust God for my life...but I better run quickly to the hospital incase I die."

 

[Nancy]

Needless to say..I DID start taking the pills ...
My daughter's both "boss me around"...our rolls are reversed now. Hahaha!!

Well, you better take them, you raised your girls right! You have much to live for ♥

 

[FHII]

I don't have an answer. I understand that the comes a time when suffering is unbearable. But I cannot escape the concept that the Lord will not put on you more than you can bear.

Romans 8:17-18 KJV
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him , that we may be also glorified together. [18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Yet... I don't have terminal cancer, AIDS, or something looking me in the face of my mortality.

I don't even want to be here! I am like Paul who spoke and contimplated suicide so he could be with the Lord. But God ain't done with me yet here on Earth. I have proof of that: .I am still alive.

I fault no one for ending their own life due to seemingly dire situations. I am not in your shoes. But God's will be done. I am willing to suffer as much as I can if it be God's will.

So while I pity them who no longer can take it and pray that God doesn't hold it against them.,..I pray for them to have strength... And I must say I am against assisted suicide.

 

[Mayflower]

If you both REALLY believe that...then why run to the doctor or hospital to "save your life".....just trust God. You can't have it both ways.
You compromise. ie.
" I trust God for my life...but I better run quickly to the hospital incase I die."

I'm sure we are to be good stewards of our body. Doctors do good things. We just disagree with how much power a doctor should have. For a doctor to be able to write a prescription for a lethal dose of medicine in order to assist killing someone...whether it be a fetus or someone old and suffering, that is putting life and death in the hands of a doctor.

For me, going to get medicine when I am sick while praying to God as the ultimate healer, that is good stewardship.

 

[Mayflower]

Also, I believe we should fight for life while we are on this earth. Anything less is not running this race with diligence. But I cannot say how I would feel if I was ever in the shoes of one having to suffer. My aunt had three types of terminal cancer. She fought until the very last breath praising God all the way. But she was in a lot of pain.

 

[Mayflower]

I don't have an answer. I understand that the comes a time when suffering is unbearable. But I cannot escape the concept that the Lord will not put on you more than you can bear.

Romans 8:17-18 KJV
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him , that we may be also glorified together. [18] For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Yet... I don't have terminal cancer, AIDS, or something looking me in the face of my mortality.

I don't even want to be here! I am like Paul who spoke and contimplated suicide so he could be with the Lord. But God ain't done with me yet here on Earth. I have proof of that: .I am still alive.

I fault no one for ending their own life due to seemingly dire situations. I am not in your shoes. But God's will be done. I am willing to suffer as much as I can if it be God's will.

So while I pity them who no longer can take it and pray that God doesn't hold it against them.,..I pray for them to have strength... And I must say I am against assisted suicide.

I completely agree with you. And it is every day I really wish to be with God. But I am way past the point in my life Id ever even think about taking my own life. I think being in that place where I've wanted to has given me that fighting spirit to serve God until my last breath. And even though I don't know about how suffering for many months or years of terminal illness would serve God, I do believe He works everything together for the good as His Word says. My Aunt Cheryl was a huge inspiration to me how she kept fighting and praising God despite her being very sick.

 

[Enoch111]

And I am a real wimp when it comes to pain!!

Well you know what they say. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

 

[tzcho2]

If you both REALLY believe that...then why run to the doctor or hospital to "save your life".....just trust God. You can't have it both ways.
You compromise. ie.
" I trust God for my life...but I better run quickly to the hospital incase I die."

And didn't you say at one point you abstained from BP medicine because you thought that pleased God? Where did that idea come from? Certainly not from the Bible.
It shouldn't be necessary to explain the difference between normal sickness & when a person's bodily systems shut down because it can't recover even with medical interventions.

Ecclesiastes 3: 1: "1 To Everything There Is A Season, And A Time For Every PURPOSE Under Heaven: 2 A Time to Be BORN and a TIME to Die, A time to plant and a time to uproot....

 

[CoreIssue]

I stopped taking statins because I had bad reactions.

Later I found out researchers said they don't really do the job and that the old tests were not conducted properly.

No, I'm not against medicine. I do have to take insulin. But you have to be careful because the way the medical system is set up it is easy to get overmedicated.

 

[Butterfly]

It takes very little time around incapacitated people in, for instance, a Hospice nursing home, to see our self-serving vanity of thinking we are doing someone a favor by forcing them to live extended years of a life of misery.

I would agree, death comes very slowly to some residents - when there is absolutely no hope and the person is in constant pain , then I do believe there is a place for this, however I believe the guidelines and procedure needs to be protected from abuse.
We take life in war - people killed to give us the freedom that so many of us have been blessed with throughout our life times.
So can I presume that you are against that as well?
Rita

 

[Taken]

My mom was 69 when she passed away. She would have been 59 if the doctor fulfilled her wishes. I was 19 at the time. Still living at home. She had to go in a nursing home and it was HARD. We moved to Austin, because my aunt merry knew more about nursing homes and which were best. I lived up there 2 years with her before I just spiraled and needed to get help. But you can't tell me my mom was not happy to have that extended life. She got so much closer to God and repented for a lot of things she could not if she would have been murdered.

Have you ever heard of SUICIDE by COP?

It is not the individual committing the act of suicide, but rather the individual having decided to become Dead, but putting the commission and burden on another.

Murder is KILLING of an innocent person.

Suicide by Cop or by a physician or by ones own hand is still Suicide... A death of a person whose freewill is to become physically dead.

It sounds as if your mother was considering suicide, which many do consider Suicide, (a permanent solution to a temporary problem).

I do not find a physician or anyone else assisting in a willing Suicide, a murder.

I do find the act of Suicide by Cop or by a physician or by another, totally unnecessary.

If an individual is intent on ending their own life; every supermarket, and pretty much every household is full of things for one to use to take their own life; without assistance or burdening another.

Sounds like it was a consideration of your Mother and then she changed her mind.

Sounds like you are pleased for your Mothers reconsideration, but have no reservation for blaming and highlighting them Sinners, of those who might have assisted your Mother's suicide that she was considering.

Curious...

Would you also be blaming your Mother and highlighting her commission of Sin, had she herself committed the Suicide she was at some point considering?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Mayflower]

Have you ever heard of SUICIDE by COP?

It is not the individual committing the act of suicide, but rather the individual having decided to become Dead, but putting the commission and burden on another.

Murder is KILLING of an innocent person.

Suicide by Cop or by a physician or by ones own hand is still Suicide... A death of a person whose freewill is to become physically dead.

It sounds as if your mother was considering suicide, which many do consider Suicide, (a permanent solution to a temporary problem).

I do not find a physician or anyone else assisting in a willing Suicide, a murder.

I do find the act of Suicide by Cop or by a physician or by another, totally unnecessary.

If an individual is intent on ending their own life; every supermarket, and pretty much every household is full of things for one to use to take their own life; without assistance or burdening another.

Sounds like it was a consideration of your Mother and then she changed her mind.

Sounds like you are pleased for your Mothers reconsideration, but have no reservation for blaming and highlighting them Sinners, of those who might have assisted your Mother's suicide that she was considering.

Curious...

Would you also be blaming your Mother and highlighting her commission of Sin, had she herself committed the Suicide she was at some point considering?

Glory to God,
Taken

I'd rather not think about this too much. My mother has passed now. She never talked about ending her own life.

 

[charity]

Hello there,

If we left well alone, and did not medicate to prolong life, then death would come naturally, but we will insist on interfering. Left to itself death would come as a natural course and end the suffering endured by many, and legislation of this kind would not be necessary.

* I take medication to regulate an under-active thyroid, like diabetes it cannot be regulated any other way.

This legislation is open to abuse, and I do not think it advisable.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Helen]

And didn't you say at one point you abstained from BP medicine because you thought that pleased God? Where did that idea come from? Certainly not from the Bible.!!!!!!!
It shouldn't be necessary to explain the difference between normal sickness & when a person's bodily systems shut down because it can't recover even with medical interventions.

Ecclesiastes 3: 1: "1 To Everything There Is A Season, And A Time For Every PURPOSE Under Heaven: 2 A Time to Be BORN and a TIME to Die, A time to plant and a time to uproot....

Your post sound somewhat hostile..which is the reason I ignored your first post to me.
You haven't been here very long, therefore you don't know me.
If you knew me, you would know that I am a believer in healing in the atonement.

FAITH ALWAYS PLEASES GOD!!

In my 57 years of walking with the Lord, I have received so many healing's 'by faith' in His word. ( which you obviously by your comments, do not have )
Hence the reason I chose not to take BP meds. Faith in His word. "I am the Lord who healeth thee." ..... "For by His stripes we were healed ."
I withstood them meds, for 3 years...just believing that "My times are in Your Hands.."

As I mentioned already...it was my daughters who wanted me to take the meds.
They said- " Dying is one thing, but what if you stroke , but do not die, but you end up a vegetable that WE and dad have to care for and look after. "
Good argument.
My choice, shouldn't dictate to their faith. No man is a island etc...

 

[Dave L]

Your post sound somewhat hostile..the reason I ignored your first one to me.
You haven't been here very long, therefore you don't know me. If you did, you would know that I am a believer in healing in the atonement.

FAITH ALWAYS PLEASES GOD!!

In my 57 years of walking with the Lord, I have received so many healing's 'by faith' in His word. ( which you obviously by your comments, do not)
Hence the reason I chose not to take BP meds. Faith in His word. "I am the Lord who healeth thee." ..... "For by His stripes we were healed ."
I withstood them meds, for 3 years...just believing that "My times are in Your Hands.."

As I mentioned already...it was my daughters who wanted me to take the meds.
They said- " Dying is one thing, but what if you stroke , but do not die, but you end up a vegetable that WE and dad have to care for and look after. "
Good argument.
My choice, shouldn't dictate to their faith. No man is a island etc...

I see God using medicine in Paul's later years. Also God was no doubt withdrawing the signs and wonders gifts from the Apostles at that time; Paul said;

“Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.” (2 Timothy 4:20) (KJV 1900)

“Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.” (1 Timothy 5:23) (KJV 1900)

“Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.” (Galatians 4:12–15) (KJV 1900)

“For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.” (Philippians 2:26–27) (KJV 1900)

But God still heals through the prayer of faith as many can testify of. My approach is to pray and trust God to open or close the doors that lead to healing. Not ruling out medicine or doctors.

 

[tzcho2]

Your post sound somewhat hostile..which is the reason I ignored your first post to me.
You haven't been here very long, therefore you don't know me.
If you knew me, you would know that I am a believer in healing in the atonement.

My post was not hostile in the least. You bolded my words and added the exclamations. That is all your doing and in your own head.

 

[Helen]

< snip> But God still heals through the prayer of faith as many can testify of. My approach is to pray and trust God to open or close the doors that lead to healing. Not ruling out medicine or doctors.

I do see a difference in 'age related' also.
Now I am old, I never know what needs divine healing, and what is just wore out body parts !

At some point I am sure God will say- " Well this old house is not worth fixing up any more...time to move."
But I have also come to the time in life when I don't always have the choice to decide any more...when I have 'some incident' ( and I had many last summer) my husband calls my married daughter or grand daughter, and my daughter takes me in the Hospital Emergency!!

I agree, God has used some very good doctors and specialists .. my own son in law, is a surgeon, and even the OT says -
Jer 8-22 "Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? Why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?"
I believe the important thing is...in every given situation...What is the Holy Spirit saying, and where is He leading? We still need the open-ear.

"Trust in the Lord with all of your heart, lean not unto your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your path. "

Something to live by.
As I age I do like the OT verse spoken by Abrahams servant ( going looking for a wife for Issac ) " And I, being in The Way, the Lord led me.." Gen 24.

When we stay 'In The Way'..we can trust in His leading.

 

[Taken]

I'd rather not think about this too much. My mother has passed now. She never talked about ending her own life.

Thanks for your response.
Sorry for your loss.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[tzcho2]

Your post sound somewhat hostile..which is the reason I ignored your first post to me.
You haven't been here very long, therefore you don't know me.
If you knew me, you would know that I am a believer in healing in the atonement.

FAITH ALWAYS PLEASES GOD!!

In my 57 years of walking with the Lord, I have received so many healing's 'by faith' in His word. ( which you obviously by your comments, do not have )
Hence the reason I chose not to take BP meds. Faith in His word. "I am the Lord who healeth thee." ..... "For by His stripes we were healed ."
I withstood them meds, for 3 years...just believing that "My times are in Your Hands.."
As I mentioned already...it was my daughters who wanted me to take the meds.
They said- " Dying is one thing, but what if you stroke , but do not die, but you end up a vegetable that WE and dad have to care for and look after. " Good argument. My choice, shouldn't dictate to their faith. No man is a island etc...

Seems you contradict yourself , "My times are in your Hands" on one hand with your medication, but then deciding to not trust in God's Sovereign timing by agreeing with making assisted suicide into law. That looks like no trust or faith in God to me and not agreeing with the authority of scriptures. It looks like putting the decision into a team of medical professionals. People can make every excuse they want to permit the killing of another person, saying it's more humane but is it? Who decides? who decides if the person is in their right mind to sign the permission slip? Spiritually the thing is, death & suffering is a part of this world of sin, people have always experienced the passage of dying but, now , by God's grace there are many drugs to provide comfort plus there is the field of palliative care which specializes in assisting the terminally ill. In these dark days , like when abortion was fought to be a woman's right, now some of mankind have decided it is their job to decide when it's right to take a life. Life and death belong to God.
Ethically this is a slippery slope & then medical panels start deciding when some elderly or disabled is putting too much pressure on resources & decide to withhold saving medications suggest the giving drugs to speed death. They start to decide when a disabled person or a disabled child is "suffering" too much and should be assisted to die. This law is evil.

 

[tzcho2]

Assisted suicide opens the door to these concerns by those who are vulnerable in the hands of the decision-makers.

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I am a disabled person and I don’t back the right to die for one very important reason