Please explain this.

[H. Richard]

Your last sentence is not true, misleading, and in bad taste since it's not true.

The reason people don't agree with you is because you don't seem to understand the difference between
Works under the Law
and Works/good deeds.

You keep repeating that works don't save and we all agree with you.

WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU GET SAVED?
Are you required to do good works/deeds OR NOT?

That's a yes or no answer.

No!. Most are not agreeing with me. The religious talk out of both sides of their mouth. One side says we are only saved by what Jesus did on the cross and the other side says we MUST have good works to be a child of God. Which do you truly believe. It confuses me

If you think we are REQUIRED to do good works then you are saying we are under a law to do good works.

What happen to a child of God after they have become one is not for man to judge. It is totally between them and God. But the religious love to take pride in their good works.

 

[charity]

What secrets?
The only secret I know about is that the Gentiles were going to be included in God's salvation plan.

To say that Jesus had to give His message to a man is to belittle His ministry and His life on earth and maybe even His death.

When I want to know something....I go to Jesus' words first.
He's God...HE knows the truth.

Hello @GodsGrace

There are things that were kept, 'hid in God', (see Eph. 3:9 and Col.1:26). There was also the secret of Israel's blindness (Romans 11:25).

I'm afraid I don't know what you are referring to in the rest of your post.

I am glad that you go to the Word of God to know the Truth, for there is no other source.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Grailhunter]

You're not getting off so easy!
I believe all you've stated.

I didn't say: IF A PERSON SINS.
We all sin.

I said: RETURNS TO A LIFE OF SIN.

Do you see the difference?
Can I be a Christian if I live a life of sin AFTER "accepting" Jesus as my Savior.
Have I accepted Him as my Lord?

I guess what I'm really asking is:
Do you believe in eternal security?
Or is there a condition?

@GodsGrace I am saying I believe. I am not insinuating it is a doctrine. I believe that there are no Christians in hell. I do believe that there are
different levels in Heaven, and some are better than others. Shoot there are people that are saved, but understand very little about the Holy Bible. Christ's love for us is in fact unconditional. Applying Christianity to our lives is an interesting topic. Thanks for not letting me get off that easy.

 

[ScottA]

I said when did JESUS say we would have righteousness in Him.

Your above verse if from Paul,,,,NOT JESUS.

Paul came up with this concept some years AFTER Jesus died.

I'd appreciate it if you could show me I'm wrong.
Really.

Whether from Christ or from Paul, either way it is the truth from God. As for Paul "to live is Christ."

 

[GodsGrace]

No!. Most are not agreeing with me. The religious talk out of both sides of their mouth. One side says we are only saved by what Jesus did on the cross and the other side says we MUST have good works to be a child of God. Which do you truly believe. It confuses me

If you think we are REQUIRED to do good works then you are saying we are under a law to do good works.

What happen to a child of God after they have become one is not for man to judge. It is totally between them and God. But the religious love to take pride in their good works.

WHO is mixed up?
You were unable to answer a simple question that required a one word answer.

The answer is YES.
We are required to obey God AFTER we're saved.

I've posted so much scripture that is rejected.
How do you understand this:
John 3:36

 

[GodsGrace]

Whether from Christ or from Paul, either way it is the truth from God. As for Paul "to live is Christ."

NO Scott,
IF Jesus says something,,,we listen to HIM first.
Jesus NEVER said some things we believe because Paul said them...
In all these cases we have to go by what Jesus taught.

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace I am saying I believe. I am not insinuating it is a doctrine. I believe that there are no Christians in hell. I do believe that there are
different levels in Heaven, and some are better than others. Shoot there are people that are saved, but understand very little about the Holy Bible. Christ's love for us is in fact unconditional. Applying Christianity to our lives is an interesting topic. Thanks for not letting me get off that easy.

I know many that are saved but do not even read the bible.
I can say though....that they seem to be humble persons living a life for God.
(at least on the exterior)

 

[ScottA]

NO Scott,
IF Jesus says something,,,we listen to HIM first.
Jesus NEVER said some things we believe because Paul said them...
In all these cases we have to go by what Jesus taught.

You can put that limitation on God if you want, but that is you. To refuse those whom He has sent, is to refuse Him.

But you look for where Jesus said everything in the flesh, and miss what He has said in spirit through those He has sent. Did He not say, "On the third day, I shall be perfected?" This is that day.

 

[charity]

WHO is mixed up?
You were unable to answer a simple question that required a one word answer.

The answer is YES.
We are required to obey God AFTER we're saved.

I've posted so much scripture that is rejected.
How do you understand this:
John 3:36

'Jesus answered and said unto them,
This is the work of God,
that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent.'
(John 6:29)

Hello GodsGrace,

* Simply by believing on Him Whom God hath sent, the Lord Jesus Christ, we are doing the work of God.

* You have referenced, John 3:36,

'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;
but the wrath of God abideth on him.'
(John 3:36)

* This is self explanatory, for the unbelieving will not see life: resurrection life is the gift of God, given to those who believe on His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GodsGrace]

Hello @GodsGrace

There are things that were kept, 'hid in God', (see Eph. 3:9 and Col.1:26). There was also the secret of Israel's blindness (Romans 1:25).

I'm afraid I don't know what you are referring to in the rest of your post.

I am glad that you go to the Word of God to know the Truth, for there is no other source.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Of course we go to the word of God for explanations.

Ephesians 3:9 speaks of the Gentiles being a part of God's salvation plan, as I stated.

Colossians 1:26 Ditto. Paul is telling the Gentile in Greece that God is their only hope.

Romans 1:25 I'm not sure why you posted this verse.

God revealed Himself...I don't know of any secrets that He witheld....

 

[H. Richard]

WHO is mixed up?
You were unable to answer a simple question that required a one word answer.

The answer is YES.
We are required to obey God AFTER we're saved.

I've posted so much scripture that is rejected.
How do you understand this:
John 3:36

You will not accept my answer but here it is. It was written to the Jews who were under the law of Moses. When this was said the gospel of God's grace had not revealed.

That is my answer. Take it or leave it. Your choice.

 

[charity]

Of course we go to the word of God for explanations.

Ephesians 3:9 speaks of the Gentiles being a part of God's salvation plan, as I stated.

Colossians 1:26 Ditto. Paul is telling the Gentile in Greece that God is their only hope.

Romans 1:25 I'm not sure why you posted this verse.

God revealed Himself...I don't know of any secrets that He witheld....

Hello @GodsGrace,

Ephesians 3:9 speaks of a secret (or mystery) and so does Colossians 1:26 and Romans 11:25 (sorry about the typo). Just read them as they stand, and acknowledge the fact that a secret or mystery is spoken of within them, that is the only reason I quoted them, in response to your previous entry.

Thank you,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GodsGrace]

You can put that limitation on God if you want, but that is you. To refuse those whom He has sent, is to refuse Him.

But you look for where Jesus said everything in the flesh, and miss what He has said in spirit through those He has sent. Did He not say, "On the third day, I shall be perfected?" This is that day.

No. What I said is not being properly represented by you.
I ACCEPT ALL OF THE BIBLE.
I refuse no one.

But this is an important discussion.
JESUS never said that we would be righteous through HIM.
This is something that came out later after Paul went off into the desert for 3 years.

Jesus always said that we are to do what God wants us to do...we could call this good works or deeds.

These days everyone seems to be against doing good works because of this concept of being righteous through Jesus.

When God looks at us, He sees His Son. I'm not denying this...
However to carry this to the extreme that says we are not required to do anything because we already have our righteousness in Christ is wrong.

And the reason it's wrong is because Jesus never said this but He did say that we are to do good works. THIS has also been repeated by other writers,,,,why is it not accepted by many? Because we want an easy Christianity and Jesus made it a bit difficult.
Mathew 5:20
He said our righteousness must SURPASS that of the scribes...
NOT that HE would be our righteousness.

 

[GodsGrace]

'Jesus answered and said unto them,
This is the work of God,
that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent.'
(John 6:29)

Hello GodsGrace,

* Simply by believing on Him Whom God hath sent, the Lord Jesus Christ, we are doing the work of God.

* You have referenced, John 3:36,

'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;
but the wrath of God abideth on him.'
(John 3:36)

* This is self explanatory, for the unbelieving will not see life: resurrection life is the gift of God, given to those who believe on His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Are you aware that belief and obedience are synonymous? (in the Greek)

 

[GodsGrace]

You can put that limitation on God if you want, but that is you. To refuse those whom He has sent, is to refuse Him.

But you look for where Jesus said everything in the flesh, and miss what He has said in spirit through those He has sent. Did He not say, "On the third day, I shall be perfected?" This is that day.

@charity is a very nice lady...and I know she lives for Christ.

Read her posts and think what a new Christian gets out of it....

 

[charity]

No. What I said is not being properly represented by you.
I ACCEPT ALL OF THE BIBLE.
I refuse no one.

But this is an important discussion.
JESUS never said that we would be righteous through HIM.
This is something that came out later after Paul went off into the desert for 3 years.

Jesus always said that we are to do what God wants us to do...we could call this good works or deeds.

These days everyone seems to be against doing good works because of this concept of being righteous through Jesus.

When God looks at us, He sees His Son. I'm not denying this...
However to carry this to the extreme that says we are not required to do anything because we already have our righteousness in Christ is wrong.

And the reason it's wrong is because Jesus never said this but He did say that we are to do good works. THIS has also been repeated by other writers,,,,why is it not accepted by many? Because we want an easy Christianity and Jesus made it a bit difficult.
Mathew 5:20
He said our righteousness must SURPASS that of the scribes...
NOT that HE would be our righteousness.

* Paul's message was that given under the instruction of the risen and ascended Christ, though wasn't it?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[ScottA]

No. What I said is not being properly represented by you.
I ACCEPT ALL OF THE BIBLE.
I refuse no one.

But this is an important discussion.
JESUS never said that we would be righteous through HIM.
This is something that came out later after Paul went off into the desert for 3 years.

Jesus always said that we are to do what God wants us to do...we could call this good works or deeds.

These days everyone seems to be against doing good works because of this concept of being righteous through Jesus.

When God looks at us, He sees His Son. I'm not denying this...
However to carry this to the extreme that says we are not required to do anything because we already have our righteousness in Christ is wrong.

And the reason it's wrong is because Jesus never said this but He did say that we are to do good works. THIS has also been repeated by other writers,,,,why is it not accepted by many? Because we want an easy Christianity and Jesus made it a bit difficult.
Mathew 5:20
He said our righteousness must SURPASS that of the scribes...
NOT that HE would be our righteousness.

No, I will come back and fill in the details. But you are leaving out a ton of what Jesus said about us "in Him" and partaking of Him, him who is perfect.

 

[GodsGrace]

You will not accept my answer but here it is. It was written to the Jews who were under the law of Moses. When this was said the gospel of God's grace had not revealed.

That is my answer. Take it or leave it. Your choice.

I must leave it since the bible was written for everyone.
Jesus died for the jew and the gentile,,,the woman and the man,,,
there is now no distinction.

There is only One God and that God is the same for everyone.
Paul was trying very hard to convince those under THE LAW that THE LAW no longer existed...does this mean that ALL THE LAW was abolished?

Does the New Covenant have NO LAWS involved in it?

 

[GodsGrace]

No, I will come back and fill in the details. But you are leaving out a ton of what Jesus said about us "in Him" and partaking of Him, him who is perfect.

Oh please scott.
What are you going to post....verses I already know.
You think I don't know we have to be IN HIM.

But you DO NOT reply to what I've written.
And want to play verse ping pong instead.

 

[Grailhunter]

I know many that are saved but do not even read the bible.
I can say though....that they seem to be humble persons living a life for God.
(at least on the exterior)

@GodsGrace This is not going to be entirely popular. Students of Christian history...See that Christ had several fronts to His ministry. He was there for the Jews...but also the Pagans. (Pagans before converting to Christianity, Gentiles after conversion.) Which is why it is said He came
to save the world. At times He is talking to and relating to these different people, as Paul was mostly working with the Gentiles. Christ had a daunting task. He could not say to the Jews, that He was the Son of God, the Gentiles would have less problems with this. The Jews would kill Him on the spot. Matthew is a Jewish-Christian his writings are pointed to the Jews. John has a different understanding which is good and mostly points to the Gentiles. Matthew and John are of the twelve, Mark and Luke are not. Mark is associated with Peter and Luke with Paul. There are different perspectives and approaches in the Gospels. Maybe some of the details were not intended to be laid out in the Gospels and would wait for Paul to address them. Some of what I see discussed here is taking exception to these different perspectives and approaches. When you look into what was going on it makes sense.