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Spiritual Israelite

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The animal blood sacrifices are over.

When the LORD Returns, the feast of tabernacles is to go up to Jerusalem and worship the KING.
The feast of tabernacles always involved that. But, it also involved performing animal sacrifices as sin offerings. Where does it say that the feast of tabernacles would have to be observed again in the future, but they would no longer involve animal sacrifices as was always the case in the past?
 

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The feast of tabernacles always involved that. But, it also involved performing animal sacrifices as sin offerings. Where does it say that the feast of tabernacles would have to be observed again in the future, but they would no longer involve animal sacrifices as was always the case in the past?
Not hard to understand = there are no more sacrifices for sin.

There remains worship to the King.
 

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Not hard to understand = there are no more sacrifices for sin.

There remains worship to the King.
It appears that you are not taking the passage literally then. Taking it literally and applying it to the future would imply the reinstatement of animal sacrifices because when observed literally the way it was in OT times, the feast of tabernacles undeniably involves making animal sacrifices as sin offerings. Premils typically have a problem with Amils not taking all of Zechariah 14 literally, yet you seem to be one Premil who does not take it all literally.
 

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It appears that you are not taking the passage literally then. Taking it literally and applying it to the future would imply the reinstatement of animal sacrifices because when observed literally the way it was in OT times, the feast of tabernacles undeniably involves making animal sacrifices as sin offerings. Premils typically have a problem with Amils not taking all of Zechariah 14 literally, yet you seem to be one Premil who does not take it all literally.
Not at all.
You are forcing OT sacrifices upon NT worship of the LORD.
There are no animal sacrifices in the Kingdom of God in Christ.

"And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."
 

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Not at all.
You are forcing OT sacrifices upon NT worship of the LORD.
There are no animal sacrifices in the Kingdom of God in Christ.

"And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."
Are you even trying to get my point? I'm not getting the sense that you are. How exactly are you determining that keeping the feast of tabernacles in the future doesn't require what keeping the feast of tabernacles in the past required? Where is that indicated in the text? Nowhere that I can see.

So, it seems to me that you're not taking it literally in the sense of interpreting keeping the feast of tabernacles in the literal way it was kept in OT times. You are instead giving a spiritual application to keeping the feast of tabernacles, right? So, with that in mind, why is it okay for Premils to give a spiritual application to text in Zechariah 14, but it's not okay when Amils do that, such as seeing Zechariah 14:8 as having a spiritual fulfillment as described in John 7:37-39?
 

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Are you even trying to get my point? I'm not getting the sense that you are. How exactly are you determining that keeping the feast of tabernacles in the future doesn't require what keeping the feast of tabernacles in the past required? Where is that indicated in the text? Nowhere that I can see.

So, it seems to me that you're not taking it literally in the sense of interpreting keeping the feast of tabernacles in the literal way it was kept in OT times. You are instead giving a spiritual application to keeping the feast of tabernacles, right? So, with that in mind, why is it okay for Premils to give a spiritual application to text in Zechariah 14, but it's not okay when Amils do that, such as seeing Zechariah 14:8 as having a spiritual fulfillment as described in John 7:37-39?
I am not attaching a spiritual interpretation to Zech 14.

We do not fall backwards but we Move Forward in Christ as we await His Coming.

verse 8 speaks of Jerusalem on earth

Right now, Jerusalem on earth is in bondage with her children. This will change when the LORD Returns.

Right now, we worship our Savior and Redeemer King who is seated at the Right Hand of the Father.

Hebrews 12:22-24
Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
 

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Not hard to understand = there are no more sacrifices for sin.

There remains worship to the King.
Amen.
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Praying that people will get an understanding of the  CONCLUSION of the matter; Jesus was and is the ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER SINCE HIS RESURRECTION and will continue to be the ONLY SACRIFICE for sin forgiveness, forever!
 

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I am not attaching a spiritual interpretation to Zech 14.

We do not fall backwards but we Move Forward in Christ as we await His Coming.

verse 8 speaks of Jerusalem on earth

Right now, Jerusalem on earth is in bondage with her children. This will change when the LORD Returns.

Right now, we worship our Savior and Redeemer King who is seated at the Right Hand of the Father.

Hebrews 12:22-24
Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels in joyful assembly, to the congregation of the firstborn, enrolled in heaven. You have come to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
If you're not making a spiritual interpretation of Zechariah 14, then tell me where is the scripture which speaks of the feast of tabernacles no longer requiring animal sacrifices as was always the case in the literal keeping of the feast of tabernacles?

Hebrews 12:22-24 makes no mention of the feast of tabernacles, so what is your evidence to back up your redefining of the keeping of the feast of tabernacles not requiring animal sacrifices?

How are you not "attaching a spiritual interpretation" to Zechariah 14:16-21 when you interpret the keeping of the feast of tabernacles in a spiritual way rather than in a literal way which would involve animal sacrifices just like were required when it was literally, physically kept in the past?

It seems like you are going out of your way to avoid addressing my point here for some reason. You clearly ARE making a spiritual application of the keeping of the feast of tabernacles in Zechariah 14:16-21, so why deny that? The literal, physical keeping of the feast of tabernacles involved making animal sacrifices as sin offerings. That is undeniable. Yet, that is not how you are interpreting Zechariah 14:16-21. You instead are interpreting the keeping of the feast of tabernacles in a different way than the way it was kept literally and physically. What else should that be called than a spiritual interpretation of the keeping of the feast of tabernacles in contrast to the literal and physical way it was kept?
 
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I disagree. When it says "He must reign..." it can mean that He reigns now and must continue to reign until He puts all enemies under His feet.

He reigns now. I showed you the scriptures which teach that. Did you read those? Here they are again:

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

When He comes back that will be the end and He will then deliver the kingdom He has been reigning over to the Father.

How are you not "attaching a spiritual interpretation" to Zechariah 14:16-21 when you interpret the keeping of the feast of tabernacles in a spiritual way rather than in a literal way which would involve animal sacrifices just like were required when it was literally, physically kept in the past?
There's nothing wrong with his understanding. Jesus changed the application of the Passover lamb at the last supper in that He did not take the flesh of the lamb, which represented the sacrifice that saved the first born of Israel from the angel of death, and say, "Take, eat, this is My body.."

Instead, He took the unleavened bread and gave that as the representation of His body that was to be sacrificed.

Have you never read,

"For the priesthood being changed, there is of necessity a change made in the law also." (Hebrews 1:12)?

The Feast of Tabernacles no longer requires any sacrifice for sin.

You always go out of your way to ignore whatever scriptures don't fit the Amil theology, such as the fact that Paul stated very clearly:

"But of this present time [nŷn] we do not yet see all things having been put under him. But (what) we (do) see (is) Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death,
crowned with glory and honor, that He by the grace of God should taste death for every son." (Hebrews 2:8-9).

You also always conveniently ignore the fact that Jesus said,

"But of this present time [Greek: nŷn] My kingdom is not from here."

You also always conveniently ignore the fact that though God said,

“I will declare the decree of the LORD. He has said to Me, You are My Son; today I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I shall give the nations for Your inheritance; and the uttermost parts of the earth for Your possession.” (Psalm 2:7-8); and

Psalm 8:3-9
"When I look at Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars which You have established;
what is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man, that You visit him?


For You have made him a little lower than God (Hebrew: 'elohiym, see Genesis 1:26-27 Hebrews 1:3), and have crowned him with glory and honor.

You made him rule over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet:

all sheep and oxen, yes, and the beasts of the field; the birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, and all that pass through the paths of the seas.

yet when Jesus was in the world, He said:

John 18:36
"My kingdom is not of this world [kósmos]. If my kingdom were of this world, then My servants would fight so that I might not be delivered to the Jews."

Then He completed what He was saying with the words:

But of this present time [Greek: nŷn] My kingdom is not from here."

He also said, regarding the future,

"Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven."

And Paul said,

"But of this present time [nŷn] we do not yet see all things having been put under him. But (what) we (do) see (is) Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death,
crowned with glory and honor, that He by the grace of God should taste death for every son." (Hebrews 2:8-9).

Yet you agree that He will not hand the Kingdom over to God the Father before all things have been placed under His feet.

The truth is that Jesus has already been given authority over all things, and in this sense all things have already been placed under His feet, BUT Satan has still been allowed to roam all this time deceiving the nations by blinding them so that they cannot understand the gospel. Jesus has not yet taken up His Kingly role to shepherd all nations with a rod of iron (all the verses in the Revelation say He is going to - future tense - shepherd all nations with a rod of iron, instead of rule as in the Psalms).

Brother your belief in Amil prevents you from being able to properly understand the 'already but not yet' balance of the current status quo of the Kingdom of Christ, and so you either flatly ignore or change the plain meaning of a whole lot of scripture as you go along.

This is why you falsely accuse the brethren of not being able to understand that there has been a change in the law since the priesthood has changed, and Feast of Tabernacles no longer requires any sacrifice for sin, and we do not eat the flesh of the Passover lamb in remembrance of deliverance from bondage in Egypt, but we partake of the unleavened bread which represents the flesh of our High Priest which was given for sin.

This is also why you have changed the facts mentioned in Revelation 20:1-6 also in order to force scripture to comply with Amil.​
 
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How is someone able to know if the 1,000 Years are literal or symbolic?

Rev 20:4 speaks of a thousand years when the martyred saints "lived and reigned" with Christ. IOW in life, before they were martyred for their faith they lived and reigned with Christ. Then Rev 20:6 speaks of those who shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall reign with him a thousand years. These too before they die shall reign with Christ. Both the martyred saints of vs 4 and the blessed and holy who have part in the first resurrection of vs 6 prove a thousand years symbolically speaks of TIME. Because the living and reigning is both past and future in this passage of Scripture. There are also verses indicating living and reigning as kings and priests with Christ in a present sense.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) .... they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:6 (KJV) .... shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 1:6 (KJV) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

How can we make any sense of a/the thousand years if it is not written to symbolize TIME given this earth for building the spiritual Kingdom of God as the Gospel is proclaimed in the power of the Holy Spirit? Then when this symbolic TIME is finished, the seventh angel will begin to sound that this specific TIME for building is complete, and therefore this symbolic time for building the Kingdom of God in heaven should be no longer.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

To argue for a thousand years being literally one thousand years, is to force MUCH contradiction into the Word of God!
 

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If the earth is dissolved, how do we rule the nations?

How do you envision Christians ruling over the nations? Isn't Christ the One ordained to rule over the nations now, since His ascension to heaven through His Church on earth?

Re 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Re 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Re 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
 

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So John saw those who had been beheaded alive in their own bodies.

Scripture tells us there will not be a bodily resurrection before an hour coming when the last/seventh trumpet sounds. Because none will be made perfect until all are perfected together.

Hebrews 11:39-40 (KJV) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 

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Who finds this scripture hard to understand???

Revelation 20:4-6 - The Thousand Year Reign

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years"

How do you reconcile reigning with Christ a thousand years in the future with those of vs 4 who have already lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years? If this isn't speaking of the same thousand years, how many separate thousand-year periods of time will there be?
 

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For me, Id have to contemplate it this way. If the 1k years are not literal and they are symbolic, then ruling the nations has to be symbolic and judging the nations has to be symbolic. I'm not sure how we rule and judge nations symbolically for a long length of time that is also just symbolic. If it was all symbolic, it doesn't sound like the millennial kingdom would be that grand. So I'd have to ask, if it's all symbolic, is the no more crying, no more fear, no more...etc also symbolic because if it is...that's really disappointing.

Doesn't it make sense to understand Christians through Christ's Spirit in us rule and reign in life by His Word? IOW we obediently obey the mandate from Christ to preach the Gospel unto all the nations of the world. And through the Gospel the nations are judged, because the Gospel is the power of salvation for whoever believes. When we come into the spiritual Kingdom of God we are ruled and reigned over by Christ. Before salvation we were slaves to Satan.

2 Corinthians 2:15-17 (KJV) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Chris
 

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"Your claim is False" A man made fairy tale.

Rev 2
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers:

Rod, scepter or staff of iron.

Who is the overcomer? First and foremost it's Christ! How are the faithful saints also overcomers through Christ?

1 John 2:13-14 (KJV) I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

1 John 4:3-4 (KJV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
 

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There is symbolism in Revelation such as the "red dragon".

Therefore the question is: "How does a student of the Bible discern/uncover/discover if the '1,000 years' are literal or symbolic.
the red dragon represents satan, it is stated in the passage

what could 1000 years represent?
 

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And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

They won't be made physically alive again until an hour coming when the seventh trumpet sounds. The martyred saints did not have to come to physical life AGAIN to reign with Christ for a thousand years. Because they LIVED (past tense) and REIGNED (past tense) with Christ for a thousand years before they physically died. That's why John sees them as living souls in heaven after they physically died on earth.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 

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Remember, it was Zechariah 14:16 that was being discussed. So, is your belief in future animal sacrifices based on Zechariah 14:16-21 at all or not?
nice side step.

My comments were about animal sacrifices which are future.

even so. zech 14 is a future event. God is not punishing people for failing to Go to Jerusalem to worship him.. as he is not there
 

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That is true. That is associated with Him destroying His enemies when He returns. Tell me how any of His enemies (any unbelievers) will survive that.
no it is not.


It says he will rule the nations with a rod of Iron.. not destroy them
He never will.
then throw your bible out. it is in error
You are obviously alluding to Zechariah 14:16-21. Do you know that by interpreting that passage literally and believing it will occur in the future means that animal sacrifices for sin offerings would have to be reinstated in the future since observing the feast of tabernacles involves making animal sacrifices as sin offerings? Is that what you believe will happen? If so, are you comfortable with that in light of NT scripture like Hebrews 8-10?
Animal sacrifice has NEVER tsaken away sin. iot has ALWAYS been symbolic (you need to study Hebrews) It was used as a teaching tool. to lead people to christ.

so no. it will not be done FOR SIN.