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[Zao is life]

Your claim is "False"

A "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" that a Potter destroys clay vessels with

Jesus returns and destroy's the wicked like a Potter destroy's his vessels with a "Rod Of Iron" its that simple

Sad part is, many have been clearly shown this truth several times, and they continue to teach error

The "Rod Of Iron" is a "Tool Of Destruction" not a "Kings Scepter" as many falsely believe and teach

Psalm 2:9KJV
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 2:27KJV
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 19:15KJV
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

The sad part is, many have been clearly shown many times that in Revelation Jesus is said to sheperd them with a rod of iron after dashing His enemies like a potter's vessel with a rod of iron, and yet they continue to teach error.

 

[rwb]

Yet another example of all your futile attempts to make scripture comply with Amil theology.

You equate quoting verses of Scripture an attempt to make Scripture comply with Amil theology??? Then you quote Scripture in an attempt to make Scripture comply with your theology, whatever that may be???

 

[Zao is life]

You equate quoting verses of Scripture an attempt to make Scripture comply with Amil theology??? Then you quote Scripture in an attempt to make Scripture comply with your theology, whatever that may be???

No I don't. I quote scripture without "explaining" what it doesn't mean. Quoting scripture and "explaining" what it doesn't mean can only be done when you're making futile attempts at making scripture comply with Amil theology.

 

[Zao is life]

It is not my doctrine.

Just let the words of God permeate you heart and mind.

Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak;
And hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
2Let my teaching drop as the rain,
My speech distill as the dew,
As raindrops on the tender herb,
And as showers on the grass.
3For I proclaim the name of the Lord:
Ascribe greatness to our God.
4He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.



Look intently, with a pure heart, at Genesis 5:1-5 and Revelation 20:1-6

Now understand that the connection lies between Genesis and Revelation.

Just ignore any further demands that you spell it out. It may be staring at me, but I haven't seen it either - but at least I understand what you mean by asking God.

Though we prove much from scripture, those who change it's meaning and ignore the meaning of certain words in order to force scripture to comply with their faith in a particular theology (instead of faith in the Lord of the scriptures) argue against whatever is said no matter how much it gets spelled out, anyway.

I hope you just ignore all demands that you spell it out.

@David in NJ Correction: I think I just understood why you say so (or may have).

 

[David in NJ]

Why do you equate 930 years the man Adam lived to one thousand literal years? Do you believe that because the years of Adams life were literally 930 years, a/the thousand years must also be literal years?

Let us examine these things in the Light of Scripture.

a.) Adam lived a literal 930 years
b.) the Resurrection is LITERAL
c.) the LORD Jesus Christ says there will be 1,000 Years of ruling and reigning with Him for those who are part of the First Resurrection.


(a.) is both True and Literal
(b.) is also True and Literal
(c.) is also True but is it Literal?

d.) In order for (c) to be symbolic, the LORD, in the Scriptures, would specify this.
e.) Since the Resurrection is Literal so also must the 1,000 Years be Literal since no other proclamation has been made to even suggest it is symbolic.
f.) FACT CHECK: Same as 'pre-trib rapture' = there is not one scriptural reference that states the 1,000 years are symbolic

Therefore (c) is Literal just as (b) is Literal and (a) is Literal

"But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ."

 

[David in NJ]

Just ignore any further demands that you spell it out. It may be staring at me, but I haven't seen it either - but at least I understand what you mean by asking God.

Though we prove much from scripture, those who change it's meaning and ignore the meaning of certain words in order to force scripture to comply with their faith in a particular theology (instead of faith in the Lord of the scriptures) argue against whatever is said no matter how much it gets spelled out, anyway.

I hope you just ignore all demands that you spell it out.

@David in NJ Correction: I think I just understood why you say so (or may have).

Post 145 updated

 

[David in NJ]

Let us examine these things in the Light of Scripture.

a.) Adam lived a literal 930 years
b.) the Resurrection is LITERAL
c.) the LORD Jesus Christ says there will be 1,000 Years of ruling and reigning with Him for those who are part of the First Resurrection.

a.) is both True and Literal
b.) is also True and Literal
c.) is also True but is it Literal?

d.) In order for (c) to be symbolic, the LORD, in the Scriptures, would specify this.
e.) Since the Resurrection is Literal so also must the 1,000 Years be Literal since no other proclamation has been made to even suggest it is symbolic.
f.) FACT CHECK: Same as 'pre-trib rapture' = there is not one scriptural reference that states the 1,000 years are symbolic

Therefore (c) is Literal just as (b) is Literal and (a) is Literal

"But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ."

 

[rwb]

Let us examine these things in the Light of Scripture.

a.) Adam lived a literal 930 years
b.) the Resurrection is LITERAL
c.) the LORD Jesus Christ says there will be 1,000 Years of ruling and reigning with Him for those who are part of the First Resurrection.

a.) is both True and Literal
b.) is also True and Literal
c.) is also True but is it Literal?

d.) In order for (c) to be symbolic, the LORD, in the Scriptures, would specify this.
e.) Since the Resurrection is Literal so also must the 1,000 Years be Literal since no other proclamation has been made to even suggest it is symbolic.
f.) FACT CHECK: Same as 'pre-trib rapture' = there is not one scriptural reference that states the 1,000 years are symbolic

Therefore (c) is Literal just as (b) is Literal and (a) is Literal

"But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ."

Your logic and reasoning is without merit. The genealogical records contain no symbolism, the times recorded are literally the years for which those written lived and died. The same is NOT true for the Revelation of Jesus Christ. If you argue for literalism of this symbolic book, then there must be literal interpretation of the whole book. If you cannot be consistent interpreting the Revelation literally, then you should at least admit that chapter 20 is written using symbolic language, and a/the thousand years cannot be literally one thousand years to come and be both past, and future during the same period of time.

 

[David in NJ]

Your logic and reasoning is without merit. The genealogical records contain no symbolism, the times recorded are literally the years for which those written lived and died. The same is NOT true for the Revelation of Jesus Christ. If you argue for literalism of this symbolic book, then there must be literal interpretation of the whole book. If you cannot be consistent interpreting the Revelation literally, then you should at least admit that chapter 20 is written using symbolic language, and a/the thousand years cannot be literally one thousand years to come and be both past, and future during the same period of time.

Post 147 is Verifiable and accurate according to Scripture.

Indeed the Book of Revelation has some symbolism woven thru it.
HOWEVER, it is not purely a symbolic Revelation from our LORD Jesus Christ.
To say such would be heretical.

Here is a short/brief examination of Revelation:
a.) The very first chapter of Revelation is literal
b.) the Apostle John was a real literal person
c.) the 7 churches were literal churches
d.) the message to each church was to be received as literal
e.) The last chapter of Revelation is literal

 

[rwb]

Post 147 is Verifiable and accurate according to Scripture.

Indeed the Book of Revelation has some symbolism woven thru it.
HOWEVER, it is not purely a symbolic Revelation from our LORD Jesus Christ.
To say such would be heretical.

Here is a short/brief examination of Revelation:
a.) The very first chapter of Revelation is literal
b.) the Apostle John was a real literal person
c.) the 7 churches were literal churches
d.) the message to each church was to be received as literal
e.) The last chapter of Revelation is literal

What part of Rev 20 is symbolic and what part is literal?

What about the first three verses, what do you interpret symbolically and what do you interpret as literal? Please explain how and why you determine which is which. Let's try committing ourselves to the words written by John in the Revelation using the KJV of Holy Scripture.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The sad part is, many have been clearly shown many times that in Revelation Jesus is said to sheperd them with a rod of iron after dashing His enemies like a potter's vessel with a rod of iron, and yet they continue to teach error.

The really sad part is that someone can look at what is described in Revelation 19:15-18 and think it has anything to with Jesus shepherding people.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

It talks about Him smiting the ones you think He will shepherd. Explain how He will rule over people that He has just smited? And explain how He can shepherd people that He has just tread in "the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God"? How can He shepherd "all men, both free and bond, both small and great" after they have been killed?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Let us examine these things in the Light of Scripture.

a.) Adam lived a literal 930 years

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the thousand years of Revelation. Trying to use this as supposed evidence that the thousand years is literal is one of the strangest arguments I've ever seen.

 

[rwb]

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the thousand years of Revelation. Trying to use this as supposed evidence that the thousand years is literal is one of the strangest arguments I've ever seen.

I agree, not only one of the strangest but also one of the weakest arguments I've ever seen!

 

[Truth7t7]

The sad part is, many have been clearly shown many times that in Revelation Jesus is said to sheperd them with a rod of iron after dashing His enemies like a potter's vessel with a rod of iron, and yet they continue to teach error.

No place in scripture does it state Jesus shepherds with a rod of iron, you will closely note your claim is void of scripture in support, because none exists

 

[David in NJ]

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the thousand years of Revelation. Trying to use this as supposed evidence that the thousand years is literal is one of the strangest arguments I've ever seen.

That's funny, because it was not(and is not) strange to God who created Adam.

Some things take prayer, time, more prayer and child-like faith in our Heavenly FATHER'S Word.

Religion always spoils the fun of discovery.

 

[Zao is life]

Your logic and reasoning is without merit. The genealogical records contain no symbolism, the times recorded are literally the years for which those written lived and died. The same is NOT true for the Revelation of Jesus Christ. If you argue for literalism of this symbolic book, then there must be literal interpretation of the whole book. If you cannot be consistent interpreting the Revelation literally, then you should at least admit that chapter 20 is written using symbolic language, and a/the thousand years cannot be literally one thousand years to come and be both past, and future during the same period of time.

So according to your logic, the book of Revelation is absolutely meaningless because it's all just symbolic, and a symbolic book. It's not telling us about anything that's literal.

 

[Zao is life]

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the thousand years of Revelation. Trying to use this as supposed evidence that the thousand years is literal is one of the strangest arguments I've ever seen.

Because you don't see what is there but hidden, and I'm not even going to talk about what that is, because you still won't see it.

 

[Zao is life]

No place in scripture does it state Jesus shepherds with a rod of iron, you will closely note your claim is void of scripture in support, because none exists

I'm not surpirsed at your ignorance displayed above, coming from someone who superstitiously believes the KJV is divinely inspired, as though its translators were all gods. No wonder you have never seen and cannot see that every time you read "rule the nations with a rod of iron" in the Revelation, it's a translation of the Greek word poimaino, which means to tend as a shepherd. Not "rule".

 

[Zao is life]

The really sad part is that someone can look at what is described in Revelation 19:15-18 and think it has anything to with Jesus shepherding people.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

It talks about Him smiting the ones you think He will shepherd. Explain how He will rule over people that He has just smited? And explain how He can shepherd people that He has just tread in "the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God"? How can He shepherd "all men, both free and bond, both small and great" after they have been killed?

The really sad part is you flatly ignoring the fact that every time you read about Christ "ruling over the nations with a rod of iron" in the Revelation, it's a translation of the Greek word poimaino, which means to tend as a shepherd. Not "rule".

Revelation 19:15 "And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, so that with it He should strike (or smite) the nations. And He will shepherd [poimaino] them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of Almighty God.

He first smites the nations, then He shepherds the nations after He has judged His enemies.

How sad that you do not want Jesus shepherding you with a rod of iron after He smites His enemies.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

No place in scripture does it state Jesus shepherds with a rod of iron, you will closely note your claim is void of scripture in support, because none exists

Does Jesus come back in the flesh ?

Or does Christ Jesus come from above ? Regarding The Holy Spirit ? that all will come to know him ? That's the point !

Now if one was to say that a man Jesus was to come and become say a King ? A king of this world ? or a King of the Holy Spirit ?
Witch is the greatest ! The Holy Spirit that abides in one or one abiding in a God man of the flesh ?

When Jesus came into this world in the flesh, no one had total faith in him bar for Nathaniel one may say ? and what did Jesus say of Nathaniel and what would Nathaniel see ! well that's it ! That's the issue of the matter, What will one see ? That's the Key !

The only point one needs is that Key ! to be an Nathaniel = a True Israelite = worthy of God ! That means such a one is worthy and will become born again. As Nathaniel seen ? Jesus said he would see !

If one has not the Holy Spirit then one is a dupe to this world,Lost ! but if one has the Holy Spirit being worthy of the Kingdom of God ! Then one knows the workings of this world is just as Jesus pointed out that it is "Full of Deceptions and Delusions".

Now This power base of this world will end ! The day of it's end is coming and the day of the Kingdom of God will come ?
It has already started 2000 years ago but for one thing not all have been Blessed ? but that their has been them who were and are now Blessed with the understanding That Jesus is the Christ Jesus Our Lord and Saviour ! You must abide in him if you are truly Saved !
So if one does not abide in him, then such a one is not worthy in fact !

So then we have one who claims to be seeking the end of times and only has hope in the Hellfire that is to come, that is what they make an idol this ends ?

But I seek the way of them who abide in Christ Jesus foremost in ones life and this means i do not seek the Hellfire but the way of Christ Jesus only ! But i know that because Christianity is loosing the Battle in Christ Jesus nowadays ? because they do not stand up for him in fact ! That we will all be lead into the Hellfire ! That's a position of despair ? And as such we all will reap what was sown in fact, you brought it all on your selves in fact ! why because they turned their backs on Christ Jesus in fact !
Such people lack faith in Christ Jesus because they are of this world ! For They do not have the strength to dismiss this world that is full of deceptions and delusions for they are under such in fact, because they do not have 100% faith in Christ Jesus in fact. but after the Hellfire no one will have have an option ? because all of such will be burnt up ! and who if they survive ? all will be flat on their arse ? nothing to boast of at all because you will have nothing Zip ! and the only way forward is one way ! Sink or swim in fact. but they will know why they ended up in the Hellfire ! Their will not be any delusions about that in fact ! Not to mention that people will be educated on understanding the art of Deception ? and understand how to deal with that directly so as to nip it in the bud.
So hornswogglers will not have a free run like they do nowadays.