I did say maybe the saints could be resurrected and only the Gentile believers would be in mortal bodies
What dont you believe about the thousand years?
Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.
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What dont you believe about the thousand years?
Where does scripture teach this? Where are these people mentioned in Matthew 25:31-46?
Taken
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It reveals multiple scenarios….uh since there are multiple individuals making their own Decisions and receiving the consequence of their decisions!
If one man is “in” Christ and another “not in Christ”…
Those two men have Different consequences.
So, you're saying you think only resurrected saints are the sheep who inherit eternal life at that time, but Gentile believers will not?
There is nothing that I don't believe about the thousand years. I just interpret Revelation 20 differently than you do. Can you understand that? Do you know what Amillennialists believe? I don't really feel like explaining it all to you right now. Do some research.
What are you talking about? Show me what you're saying using scripture. I don't see anything resembling what you're saying described anywhere in Matthew 25:31-46.
They are told they will inherit the kingdom...............[Mat 25:34 KJV] 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
That's a loaded question that would take me a fair amount of time to answer. I am an Amillennialist. Do you know what Amillennialists believe? If not, do a bit of research on that and, then, if you have any specific questions about it, let me know and I'll be happy to answer them.
What I'll say for now is that I don't believe the thousand years are a literal thousand years (the word "thousand" is used figuratively several times in scripture) and I believe Jesus started reigning long ago after His resurrection, as evidenced by scriptures like these...
Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is the same as the mighty strength 20 he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, 21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. 22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church,
Zao is life
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Scripture teaches:
1. Only God has eternal life in Himself.
2. Eternal life is in the Word of God, and the Word of God created all things. JOHN THE APOSTLE OF CHRIST CALLS THE WORD OF GOD "HIM".
3. The word of God was CONCEIVED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD in a human woman. God, the Father of all created things, is His Father in a unique way because He is begotten of God, NOT created.
4. The Father gave to the Son (the Word of God in whom is eternal life, who had become a human being - the Man Jesus Christ) to have life in Himself. Eternal life had always existed in the Word of God and HE (JOHN HIS APOSTLE CALLED THE WORD "HIM") had now become a human being.
5. No other human being has ever HAD, or will ever HAVE eternal life IN HIMSELF, but eternal life IS GIVEN to us IN CHRIST as a gift from the Father and the Son (God), and it comes BY "Christ IN YOU, the hope of your glory" (the hope of your glorious liberation from death).
It comes BY Christ IN YOU and THROUGH your faith in HIM, whose words are the words of the Father in whom (John His apostle called the Word of God HIM) LIFE exists.
God is God the Father, God the Word / Son of God, and God the Holy Spirit.
You have corrupted the scriptures and the revelation of God in your own mind with your human reasoning trying to help you to understand how ALL the attributes of the God who created you can be possessed by the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, but ONLY BE EXPRESSED (made known) IN the Son and BY the Son, and perceived ALONE by the Holy Spirit.
No I am saying the sheep are people of the Gentile nations who will enter the kingdom.....Matthew 25 is about the nations
They arent the only ones to enter the kingdom.........there are old testament saints........there is the dead remnant of Israel who believed on Christ and the preaching of Peter and the apostles......and those saved out of the tribulation
You taking the thousand years figuratively is all I need to know
Everything could be figurative and we would not know anything
Taken
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Matt 25:31 teaches when the Son man Returns…
He returns WITH holy angels.
Zech 14: 5 teaches Jesus’ saints (saved, quickened IN Christ (the Raptured) return WITH Him.
All nations (people…mortals of the nations are become divided…
Believers, (not yet saved, still mortals) on his right.
Unbelievers on his Left.
The believers are allowed to “inherit” … Jesus Earthly Kingdom…. Have access to THAT Kingdom.
Just as NOW Believers have Access TO Christs Church To hear, taste the Word of God, Believe, even though they have made no “Commitment” to The Lord God.
They are mortal, they will continue to live, reproduce, live in their own nations , die before age 120, with access to Jesus’ Kingdom ON Earth … for generationally 1.000 years….With Zero influence or presence of Devils
It is Mans Last opportunity … to become Saved.
… after 1.000 yrs, of men living under Jesus’ Word, Way, Kingship.. The Devil and his fallen angels are allowed loose on Earth…and convinces all the nations (of mortals) to come against Jesus Kingdom…and they are Defeated, killed.
It’s a study.
The ones on His right are the sheep and they cannot be mortals because it says they inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world (Matt 25:34,46). Inheriting eternal life means you can't die. It means you have been changed to put on bodily immortality. That's the kingdom prepared for Christ's church and it is eternal. It is the eternal kingdom of God. No mortal flesh and blood can inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:50).
What does that mean? I'm not saying that everything is figurative. Do you think everything written in the book of Revelation is literal?
Is this referring to a literal "thousand generations"?
Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.
Is this referring to a literal "thousand hills"?
Psalm 50:9 I have no need of a bull from your stall or of goats from your pens, 10 for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.
CadyandZoe
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Deal with what I said. Jesus told his disciples that they would rule over the twelve tribes of Judah. John said, in Revelation 20, that thrones were set up. Thrones are set up in order to establish a political kingdom.
Saying something isn't the same thing as proving something. Deal with what I said.
That's right. The saints are not judging anyone at the moment. They will judge the world during the millennial period. Refer to Daniel 7.
Daniel 7:13-14
“I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. “And to Him was given dominion, Glory and a kingdom, That all the peoples, nations and men of every language Might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion Which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one
Which will not be destroyed.
Jesus hasn't come with the clouds of heaven. But he will. And when he does, all the peoples, nations and men of every language will serve him.
Daniel 7:27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.’
All of the kingdoms (plural) will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One. Jesus doesn't come to destroy everything. He and his followers come to rule together and they take control of the other kingdoms.
That's right. They will be judging (ruling) over the twelve tribes of Israel. Judging doesn't mean condemning; it means ruling.
CadyandZoe
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CadyandZoe
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It teaches that God has granted that to his Son Jesus Christ.
Your translation calls the Word "him." The logos is a thing, not a him.
The word became flesh and dwelt among us.
When John refers to the "begotten" Son of God, he borrows language from Psalm 2:7, a celebratory psalm sung during the inauguration of a Davidic King. It speaks about a grown man, not a baby. The son of David becomes the Son of God officially on that day. His being "begotten" is a metaphor for his being officially recognized as the Son.
I agree on your first point, but the translation should read "Christ FOR you, the hope of Glory." The central question is whether Christ is for us or against us. If he is for us, then we will receive eternal life.
You are defending your view, not from the scriptures but from the creeds. These are different kinds of documents. The scriptures are inspired and without error. The creeds are not inspired.
As usual, you added "ruling" unto the sacred text. You are an expert at doing this. You have nothing to support your theology.
Lol. You made the erroneous extra-biblical claim, and you want me to locate it in the Word. You need to listen yourself talking. You are getting more ridiculous by the hour.
It is not in the Book. Hello!
- Is “Jesus Christ” our “great God and our Saviour” (Titus 2:13)?
- Did Jesus admit that He was “the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8)?
- Is Jesus Christ “Lord God Almighty … King of saints” (Revelation 15:3)?
- Is Jesus “the express image of his (God’s) person, who is “upholding all things by the word of his power” (Hebrews 1:2-3)?
- Is it true that within Christ “dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9)?
- Is Christ: “the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature” (Colossians 1:15)?
- Did Jesus testify to the overcomer “I will be his God”?
- Does 1 John 5:20 that Jesus Christ … is the true God, and eternal life”?
- Is Jesus called “Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us” (Matthew 1:23)?
- Is Jesus “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting” (1 Timothy 6:15–16)?
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