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There isa reason why you are devoid of Scripture.

Every one of your Threads AGAINST those IN Christ and AGAINST Christ Jesus’ Redemption of His Church are FULL of Scriptures of the Lords Promises to His Church.

And even when you are told HOPE FOR YOU, is that YOU receive what YOU preach YOU want……TO BE ON EARTH during Gods Tribulations and Wrath sent from Heaven upon the whole world….STILL you continue commenting AGAINST those IN CHRIST with your False accusations and snarky personal remarks….which says MUCH ABOUT your character.

May God bless you with His Truth and His Understanding.

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Every one of your Threads AGAINST those IN Christ and AGAINST Christ Jesus’ Redemption of His Church are FULL of Scriptures of the Lords Promises to His Church.

And even when you are told HOPE FOR YOU, is that YOU receive what YOU preach YOU want……TO BE ON EARTH during Gods Tribulations and Wrath sent from Heaven upon the whole world….STILL you continue commenting AGAINST those IN CHRIST with your False accusations and snarky personal remarks….which says MUCH ABOUT your character.

May God bless you with His Truth and His Understanding.

Glory to God,
Taken
I've repeatedly showed you that there is a massive difference between the tribulation Christians endure in this life up until the one and only coming of Christ and the wrath of God that is poured out on the final day. You refuse to receive that. That is why you misunderstand eschatology.
 

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I've repeatedly showed you that there is a massive difference between the tribulation Christians endure in this life up until the one and only coming of Christ and the wrath of God that is poured out on the final day. You refuse to receive that. That is why you misunderstand eschatology.

You have repeatedly posted Scriptures which have NOTHING to do with Christ’s Church…

And everything to do with….Uncommitted Believers IN Christ, but believers IN Jesus, but are Uncommitted He is the Christ…

Members of Christ’s Church are ALREADY Committed, Sanctified, and NOT appointed to suffer WRATH…from the Lamb, from the Devil, from God.

HOW they will not suffer Wrath IS by their Deliverance from the face of the Earth…By the Power of Christ to raise them UP to the Clouds to MEET their Lord.

Those remaining on Earth shall suffer Tribulations and Wrath sent from Heaven…
UNTIL…they CHOOSE to willingly lay down their Lives FOR their Testimony of being Committed to God and the One He sent…

Now if YOU are ON the Earth during those DAYS…it is because you made NO CHOICE to make a Commitment unto Christ Jesus and lay down your life to be Crucified WITH Him.

All those DURING the last days tribulations sent from Heaven….WHO do so CHOOSE to willingly lay down their Lives unto the Lord God………
GOD SHALL BRING THEM WITH HIM!!!

Not a mystery….God shall “bring with Him”, those “SAVED” during the Tribulations from Heaven…ON JUDGEMENT DAY…

You rattling off a list of Scriptures that HAVE NOTHING to do with THOSE “IN” CHRIST…is irrelevant to the RAPTURE which is EXCLUSIVE and ONLY Applies to those “IN” Christ being REDEEMED by the Lord.

You have been given the Scriptures…”even” repeated them….but HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING of what they MEAN…


THIS applies to THOSE “IN” Christ who are not appoint to WRATH…who are ESCAPED from….who are DELIVERED from…
1 Thes. 4
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


But don’t be IGNORANT…
God SHALL Search the Hearts of the DEAD, and IF in their hearts they Believed IN JESUS, that He died and resumed Living (He the Christ or Not)….THEN God shall bring (raise up) them with Him…called the First Resurrection!

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we (any unconverted Man) (when his body dies )believes that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

You obviously DO NOT know the Difference of WHO raises WHO…WHEN…or WHY…

You READ without understanding.
You ATTACK Christ’ Church members while quoting Scriptures that have NOTHING to do with them.

God IS A DIVIDER…and the DIVISIONS reveal the Consequences according to the DIVISIONS.

The COMMITTED “IN” Christ…have NO PART in the Last Days Tribulations and Wrath sent down from Heaven upon the whole earth.

No LIVING Humans ON EARTH in those days ARE “protected” … as you claim to go “unscathed” from the Tribulations and wraths…

No Natural Living Human body’s ON Earth in those days HAVE GODS MARK upon their natural body’s…to Keep them FROM the devastation and Horrid Effects…

What DOES SCRIPTURE TEACH YOU…will you being DOING ON EARTH…as a “supposed” member of Christ’s Church DURING the TRIBULATION?

The answer IS NOTHING…
Just as YOU have revealed by your Silence to QUOTE ONE SCRIPTURE of Christ’s Church Presence ON earth….OR ….what Christ’s Church is “supposedly” doing On Earth during the Tribulation.


The absurdity is railing AGAINST those “IN” Christ….while implying you are “IN” Christ….

You should know by Scriptural teaching “IN” Christ and Against “IN” Christ shall not stand.
 

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You have repeatedly posted Scriptures which have NOTHING to do with Christ’s Church…

And everything to do with….Uncommitted Believers IN Christ, but believers IN Jesus, but are Uncommitted He is the Christ…

Members of Christ’s Church are ALREADY Committed, Sanctified, and NOT appointed to suffer WRATH…from the Lamb, from the Devil, from God.

HOW they will not suffer Wrath IS by their Deliverance from the face of the Earth…By the Power of Christ to raise them UP to the Clouds to MEET their Lord.

Those remaining on Earth shall suffer Tribulations and Wrath sent from Heaven…
UNTIL…they CHOOSE to willingly lay down their Lives FOR their Testimony of being Committed to God and the One He sent…

Now if YOU are ON the Earth during those DAYS…it is because you made NO CHOICE to make a Commitment unto Christ Jesus and lay down your life to be Crucified WITH Him.

All those DURING the last days tribulations sent from Heaven….WHO do so CHOOSE to willingly lay down their Lives unto the Lord God………
GOD SHALL BRING THEM WITH HIM!!!

Not a mystery….God shall “bring with Him”, those “SAVED” during the Tribulations from Heaven…ON JUDGEMENT DAY…

You rattling off a list of Scriptures that HAVE NOTHING to do with THOSE “IN” CHRIST…is irrelevant to the RAPTURE which is EXCLUSIVE and ONLY Applies to those “IN” Christ being REDEEMED by the Lord.

You have been given the Scriptures…”even” repeated them….but HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING of what they MEAN…


THIS applies to THOSE “IN” Christ who are not appoint to WRATH…who are ESCAPED from….who are DELIVERED from…
1 Thes. 4
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


But don’t be IGNORANT…
God SHALL Search the Hearts of the DEAD, and IF in their hearts they Believed IN JESUS, that He died and resumed Living (He the Christ or Not)….THEN God shall bring (raise up) them with Him…called the First Resurrection!

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we (any unconverted Man) (when his body dies )believes that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

You obviously DO NOT know the Difference of WHO raises WHO…WHEN…or WHY…

You READ without understanding.
You ATTACK Christ’ Church members while quoting Scriptures that have NOTHING to do with them.

God IS A DIVIDER…and the DIVISIONS reveal the Consequences according to the DIVISIONS.

The COMMITTED “IN” Christ…have NO PART in the Last Days Tribulations and Wrath sent down from Heaven upon the whole earth.

No LIVING Humans ON EARTH in those days ARE “protected” … as you claim to go “unscathed” from the Tribulations and wraths…

No Natural Living Human body’s ON Earth in those days HAVE GODS MARK upon their natural body’s…to Keep them FROM the devastation and Horrid Effects…

What DOES SCRIPTURE TEACH YOU…will you being DOING ON EARTH…as a “supposed” member of Christ’s Church DURING the TRIBULATION?

The answer IS NOTHING…
Just as YOU have revealed by your Silence to QUOTE ONE SCRIPTURE of Christ’s Church Presence ON earth….OR ….what Christ’s Church is “supposedly” doing On Earth during the Tribulation.


The absurdity is railing AGAINST those “IN” Christ….while implying you are “IN” Christ….

You should know by Scriptural teaching “IN” Christ and Against “IN” Christ shall not stand.

You mentioned 1 Thessalonians 4. Where is there a tribulation after the "rapture" there?
 

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You mentioned 1 Thessalonians 4. Where is there a tribulation after the "rapture" there?

It was not a mention…it was revealing the Lord calling Christ’s Church up to the Clouds …

Where is there a tribulation after the "rapture" there?

Where is there Gods tribulations Before the Rapture?
 

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It was not a mention…it was revealing the Lord calling Christ’s Church up to the Clouds …



Where is there Gods tribulations Before the Rapture?
Where is there a tribulation after the "rapture" mentioned anywhere in Scripture?
 

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Where is there a tribulation after the "rapture" mentioned anywhere in Scripture?

You might find that in a Toddler Bible.
Or a billeted Elementary Bible.

Adult Bibles reveal WHO is NOT appointed to suffer the tribulations and wrath sent from Heaven….and HOW they are escaped, delivered FROM the devastation foretold to be sent down FROM heaven.

Gee WE EVEN have the historical Knowledge OF the First Time Gods sent Tribulations and Wrath down from Heaven….WHO was NOT appointed to suffer those things….and HOW they were escaped, delivered FROM the devastation sent down FROM Heaven.

Obviously TOO complicated for you to digest, trust, or believe…

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You might find that in a Toddler Bible.
Or a billeted Elementary Bible.

Adult Bibles reveal WHO is NOT appointed to suffer the tribulations and wrath sent from Heaven….and HOW they are escaped, delivered FROM the devastation foretold to be sent down FROM heaven.

Gee WE EVEN have the historical Knowledge OF the First Time Gods sent Tribulations and Wrath down from Heaven….WHO was NOT appointed to suffer those things….and HOW they were escaped, delivered FROM the devastation sent down FROM Heaven.

Obviously TOO complicated for you to digest, trust, or believe…

Glory to God,
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Exactly, your beliefs do not exist in the Word of God
 

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You might find that in a Toddler Bible.
Or a billeted Elementary Bible.

Adult Bibles reveal WHO is NOT appointed to suffer the tribulations and wrath sent from Heaven….and HOW they are escaped, delivered FROM the devastation foretold to be sent down FROM heaven.

Gee WE EVEN have the historical Knowledge OF the First Time Gods sent Tribulations and Wrath down from Heaven….WHO was NOT appointed to suffer those things….and HOW they were escaped, delivered FROM the devastation sent down FROM Heaven.

Obviously TOO complicated for you to digest, trust, or believe…

Glory to God,
Taken
Where is there a tribulation after the "rapture" mentioned anywhere in Scripture?
 

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Because the Church isn't present during the tribulation. That's why it's not mentioned. Pretty much a no-brainer.

The lack of the bride of Christ not being in Revelation....but rather at the marriage supper of the lamb is just one of many reasons that show the pre-tribulation rapture.

You want to be a tribulation martyr for all the wrong reasons.
Significantly, Pretrib writers refuse to apply the same logic they force on Revelation 4-19 to each of their so-called Pretrib proof texts. It so the insincerity of their reasoning and also the duplicity of the same. Where is the word “Church” mentioned in their proof texts? Where is it in Daniel 9? Where is it in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17? Where is it in Revelation 3:10? Where is it in Revelation 4:1? Nowhere! Not a dot or tittle. Nothing is there.

This exposes their position and negates their hermeneutics. It totally nullifies their doctrine. The view is clearly built upon sand, and that why it crumbles under scrutiny.
 

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Where is there a tribulation after the "rapture" mentioned anywhere in Scripture?
John 16:
[33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

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Significantly, Pretrib writers refuse to apply the same [/B]logic …[/B]
No…and Why pre-tribulation Rapture Does Not resonate with you.

Gods Offering of Salvation…has nothing to With Logic.

A man’s Receiving of Salvation…has nothing to do With Logic.

Logic IS Deductive Conclusions of a Carnal Minded thought process.

Gods Order…
Gods Way…
IS;
Salvation IS Offered and Gifted according to the Hearts Belief and the mouths Confession of their Hearts Belief.

Not the Logical Carnal Minds Conclusions…!

Because…Naturally, the Natural Carnal Mind, is Naturally Against God.

You appear to think a …Person WITH his gift of Salvation… owes you, or is trying to Give you a “Carnal Minded” logical explanation of his Gift, and it makes no “logical sense to you”…
It isn’t “supposed” to Make Carnal Minded Logical sense to you…
Because;
Their Receipt of their Gift of Salvation, was a Spiritual Event and Not conducive to the understanding of a Carnal Minds Logical Conclusions.

Glory to God,
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