Pro-Abortion Democratic Platform

[historyb]

I believe if someone is pro-life, they need to be pro-life about all human life and not just some lives....

Just saying.....

That's not how it works. That's a dog whistle to the left

 

[Josho]

That's a different issue. I'm going to have to arrest you for being off-topic. Or sick H2S on you.


Seriously, though, ponder this if you can get your mind around it. Around 60 million babies have been killed due to abortion in the U.S. alone since abortion was made legal. Many in your generation have had their lives snuffed out in the womb. I have a daughter around your age, and she has a hard time talking about it because she thinks of all of her peers who are dead.
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And I agree with you, that is not right and shouldn't be allowed.

But all life still matters.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

And I agree with you, that is not right and shouldn't be allowed.

But all life still matters.

Of course, ALL life matters! Born, unborn, black, white, female, male, even Democrats....

(Edit: The last part is a joke, okay?)

 

[Grailhunter]

You just the door cracked. Can you imagine being that doctor who kills the baby? Doctors shouldn't play God.

Are you saying I gave them an inch? There are over 600,000 babies murdered....every year in the United States....over 8 million over the last ten years, if that does not equate to the worst holocaust of innocence in history, what does? Now you know how confident I can be and how deceive I can be....But I am not going to pretend I have calculated every possible scenario and every possible religious or non religious view of this.

There are so many alternatives....babies can be taken mid-term and survive. So the medical situation of the mother can be compensated for. So I don't know any possible scenario that would justify killing a baby, but that does not mean that there are not. Is there an immediate scenario where the mother's health is such that carrying the baby will most definitely cost her, her life? The mom could be the mother of other children, so those children would lose a mom. Some would say, pray about and let God choose. That is a religious choice that I agree with. But should we force that on people? Like I said I am not going to pretend I know, nor would I want to have to make that choice. So like I said, one in million, being the decision of a family under the care of a doctor, in a hospital.

Some religious beliefs do not believe in any contraceptives....I do not agree.
Some religious beliefs do not believe in tying the fallopian tubes ...I do not agree.
Some religious beliefs do not think a woman that is raped and taken to the hospital should abort the pregnancy then....I do not agree.

There is no perfect answer because the world is not perfect.

 

[Josho]

even Democrats....

(Edit: The last part is a joke, okay?)

I just saw that bit, both Democrat and Republican lives also matter....

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Are you saying I gave them an inch? There are over 600,000 babies murdered....every year in the United States....over 8 million over the last ten years, if that does not equate to the worst holocaust of innocence in history, what does? Now you know how confident I can be and how deceive I can be....But I am not going to pretend I have calculated every possible scenario and every possible religious or non religious view of this.

There are so many alternatives....babies can be taken mid-term and survive. So the medical situation of the mother can be compensated for. So I don't know any possible scenario that would justify killing a baby, but that does not mean that there are not. Is there an immediate scenario where the mother's health is such that carrying the baby will most definitely cost her, her life? The mom could be the mother of other children, so those children would lose a mom. Some would say, pray about and let God choose. That is a religious choice that I agree with. But should we force that on people? Like I said I am not going to pretend I know, nor would I want to have to make that choice. So like I said, one in million, being the decision of a family under the care of a doctor, in a hospital.

Some religious beliefs do not believe in any contraceptives....I do not agree.
Some religious beliefs do not believe in tying the fallopian tubes ...I do not agree.
Some religious beliefs do not think a woman that is raped and taken to the hospital should abort the pregnancy then....I do not agree.

There is no perfect answer because the world is not perfect.

I'm saying that if you leave the door cracked, it gets flung wide open! This is not an easy issue at all, and my heart goes out to women who are raped. But if all rape victims had their babies killed, some people living today would not be here.

James Robison is one of them. His testimony is amazing! His mom was raped, but she decided to have him even in those impossible conditions. And God has used him to ministers to millions.

Edit: For one thing, because of his ministry thousands of Africans have fresh water to drink and food to eat.

 

[Sabertooth]

"Risk to the mother's life" was never on the table (by either party, nor Fetal Rights advocates).

What I mean is no one from any part of the political spectrum has ever challenged the right to an abortion when a full-term pregnancy threatens the life of the mother. That is a straw man from the Left.

Those are very rare and cannot be used to justify killing children who pose no such threat.

Abortion during natural delivery makes even less sense.

 

[Grailhunter]

I'm saying that if you leave the door cracked, it gets flung wide open! This is not an easy issue at all, and my heart goes out to women who are raped. But if all rape victims had their babies killed, some people living today would not be here.

James Robison is one of them. His testimony is amazing! His mom was raped, but she decided to have him even in those impossible conditions. And God has used him to ministers to millions.

Exactly, rape and incest does not have to always equate to abortion.

 

[Seven of Nine]

What I mean is no one from any part of the political spectrum has ever challenged the right to an abortion when a full-term pregnancy threatens the life of the mother. That is a straw man from the Left.

Those are very rare and cannot be used to justify killing children who pose no such threat.

Abortion during natural delivery makes even less sense.

I apologize for misunderstanding what you meant in your other post, Sabertooth.

 

[Josho]

What about the other part of the Democratic platform?

- Tougher gun laws to keep people safer
- Higher wages to ease the cost of living
- More affordable and accessible healthcare (I heard a few years ago that Obama was a fan of the Australian healthcare system.)
- I believe they also want to help the disadvantaged more.

All those 4 points are to do with loving one another I believe.

One of the main reasons why I wouldn't vote for Trump if I was an American citizen is because he sometimes reminds me of a school bully and I don't like those bullying methods.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

What about the other part of the Democratic platform?

- Tougher gun laws to keep people safer
- Higher wages to ease the cost of living
- More affordable and accessible healthcare (I heard a few years ago that Obama was a fan of the Australian healthcare system.)
- I believe they also want to help the disadvantaged more.

All those 4 points are to do with loving one another I believe.

One of the main reasons why I wouldn't vote for Trump if I was an American citizen is because he sometimes reminds me of a school bully and I don't like those bullying methods.

What you're describing is socialism. When the government is expected to supply people's most basic needs, they look to government, and government agencies tend to be the least efficient source or way to supply people's needs, especially as you get up to the federal (national) government.

It used to be in the U.S. that people were taught to trust in God for their basic needs. Most people had intact families and attended churches. Nuclear and church families took care of one another. With the breakdown of the family and turning away from God, people have increasingly put their trust in government and have become dependent. But governments are made up of people, and people cannot always be counted on to be there for us.

America's national motto is "In God We Trust" for a reason. The government cannot take the place of God, but people tend to place their trust in the one who supplies their needs. I'm not saying that government should never help people. It would be better for the church to help people and show them the love if Jesus.

Socialism may seem like a good idea, but it always involves a loss of freedom. The more the government supplies people's needs, the more it can exert control over people's lives. I don't know how it is in Australia, but Americans are raised to value our freedoms. At least, my generation was. Around the world, freedom is being lost at an alarming rate! There are few places in the world where people have guaranteed freedoms like we do in America, but we have to be willing to fight for them or lose them.

There is so much more I could say about this, but it's really off-topic. I just wanted to address what you said, because you and I have disagreed over these things before because we see things so differently.

I found this article that puts it better than I have. What Americans Must Know About Socialism

 

[Josho]

What you're describing is socialism. When the government is expected to supply people's most basic needs, they look to government, and government agencies tend to be the least efficient source or way to supply people's needs, especially as you get up to the federal (national) government.

It used to be in the U.S. that people were taught to trust in God for their basic needs. Most people had intact families and attended churches. Nuclear and church families took care of one another. With the breakdown of the family and turning away from God, people have increasingly put their trust in government and have become dependent. But governments are made up of people, and people cannot always be counted on to be there for us.

America's national motto is "In God We Trust" for a reason. The government cannot take the place of God, but people tend to place their trust in the one who supplies their needs. I'm not saying that government should never help people. It would be better for the church to help people and show them the love if Jesus.

Socialism may seem like a good idea, but it always involves a loss of freedom. The more the government supplies people's needs, the more it can exert control over people's lives. I don't know how it is in Australia, but Americans are raised to value our freedoms. At least, my generation was. Around the world, freedom is being lost at an alarming rate! There are few places in the world where people have guaranteed freedoms like we do in America, but we have to be willing to fight for them or lose them.

There is so much more I could say about this, but it's really off-topic. I just wanted to address what you said, because you and I have disagreed over these things before because we see things so differently.

I don't know if that's the case, but the government is of the world.....

 

[kcnalp]

Planned Parenthood launches $45M campaign to back Democrats in 2020

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Kamala Harris Has 100% Pro-Abortion Record, Voted for Infanticide and Tax-Funded Abortions
NATIONAL LAURA ECHEVARRIA AUG 11, 2020 | 6:34PM WASHINGTON, DC

Presumptive Democrat presidential nominee Joe Biden today announced that Senator Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) would be his vice-presidential running mate. By picking Senator Harris, Joe Biden has reaffirmed his commitment to abortion on demand at any time for any reason and paid for by taxpayers. Kamala Harris is the poster child for the extreme pro-abortion position of the Democratic Party.

As a U.S. senator, Kamala Harris has a 0% rating from the National Right to Life Committee. By contrast, Sen. Harris’ abortion extremism earned her a 100% rating from NARAL Pro-Choice America.

“Sen. Harris supports a policy of abortion on demand at any time, any where, and under any circumstances,” said Carol Tobias, president of National Right to Life. “Sadly, both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris see the lives of precious unborn babies as expendable. Joe Biden could not have picked a more extreme pro-abortion running mate.”

Tobias added, “Sen. Harris is so extreme on abortion she opposes even the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, legislation to protect unborn children from abortion after 20 weeks, when they are capable of feeling excruciating pain during dismemberment or other late abortion methods.”

In her response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s June 29th decision in June Medical Services, LLC v. Russo where the justices overturned a Louisiana law requiring abortionists to have admitting privileges at a local hospital, Sen. Harris said, “While the Court reached the right result today, we must nonetheless keep up the fight to protect access to abortion.”

Sen. Harris also co-sponsored the so-called “Women’s Health Protection Act,” known to pro-lifers as the “Abortion Without Limits Until Birth Act.” As a candidate for president, Harris announced a broad platform that would require states that have a history of passing pro-life laws to seek preclearance from the Justice Department before they could enact any new pro-life laws that would impact abortion on demand. Under her plan, any new pro-life laws would be considered unenforceable without preclearance from the Justice Department.

When Sen. Harris won her Senate seat, she was praised by the then-Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards. Richards said, “Kamala Harris is a staunch advocate for women’s health and rights. She ran proudly on an agenda to expand access to reproductive health care…”

Following today’s announcement, Planned Parenthood Action Fund tweeted, “Throughout her entire career, @KamalaHarris has been a steadfast champion for reproductive rights…”

Source: Kamala Harris Has 100% Pro-Abortion Record, Voted for Infanticide and Tax-Funded Abortions

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Approximately 900,000 Babies Killed in Abortions Every Year. 2,465 Babies Die Every Day
NATIONAL KATIE YODER NOV 30, 2018 | 12:05PM WASHINGTON, DC

Approximately 900,000 Babies Killed in Abortions Every Year. 2,465 Babies Die Every Day

 

[Grailhunter]

Approximately 900,000 Babies Killed in Abortions Every Year. 2,465 Babies Die Every Day
NATIONAL KATIE YODER NOV 30, 2018 | 12:05PM WASHINGTON, DC

Approximately 900,000 Babies Killed in Abortions Every Year. 2,465 Babies Die Every Day

Ya don't like that!

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Ya don't like that!

Right! You can’t “like” a post saying that so many babies are being murdered.

 

[Grailhunter]

Right! You can’t “like” a post saying that so many babies are being murdered.

It is missing a coma
Ya....don't like that......it is kind of like the Greek iota....makes a difference.

 

[historyb]

What you're describing is socialism. When the government is expected to supply people's most basic needs, they look to government, and government agencies tend to be the least efficient source or way to supply people's needs, especially as you get up to the federal (national) government.

On point. The Government is not the answer, the government should be as small as possible. The government doesn't help anyone when it gets involved. People need to learn to do things themselves without government and the Churches should step up. The founding fathers did not expect the government to become the big monolith it is and it needs to shrink

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I'm watching the vice-presidential debate, and Kamala Harris just called Biden a "practicing Catholic" even though he has come out in full support of abortion, even third-trimester abortions.

I hope that the leaders of the Catholic Church will call these Catholic politicians on their pro-abortion stands!!

Edit: I'm adding this report to this post.

Joe Biden Wants to Make Killing Babies in Abortions Up to Birth “The Law of the Land”
NATIONAL MICAIAH BILGER OCT 6, 2020 | 10:20AM WASHINGTON, DC

Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden promised Monday to pass legislation that could make the killing of unborn babies up to birth in abortions “the law of the land.”

New York Post reports Biden made the comment during a NBC News town hall in Miami, Florida with moderator Lester Holt.

A young woman named Cassidy Brown, of Orlando, asked Biden about U.S. Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett. Fearing the high court could reverse its abortion rulings, Brown said as a student, she knew that she wanted to earn a degree and start her career before she began having children, CNS News reports.

“Having access to birth control and safe reproductive healthcare was imperative in making that true for me,” Brown said. “So, considering the new Supreme Court nomination of Amy Coney Barrett, what are your particular plans to protect women’s reproductive rights in the U.S.?”

Barrett, if confirmed, would be the sixth conservative justice on the Supreme Court, replacing the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, an idol of abortion activists. Pro-life advocates hope and abortion activists fear that Barrett could help end abortion on demand and restore protections for unborn babies in the U.S.

Biden, though he claims to be a devout Catholic, supports Roe v. Wade and abortion on demand.

He told Brown: “Number one, we don’t know exactly what she will do, although expectation is that she may very well move to … overrule Roe.

“And the only thing, the only responsible response to that would be to pass legislation making Roe the law of the land. That’s what I would do,” he added.

Later, Biden posted a video of the exchange on Twitter, writing, “Roe v. Wade must remain the law of the land.”

SOURCE: Joe Biden Wants to Make Killing Babies in Abortions Up to Birth “The Law of the Land”