Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in = the five fundamentals

[GISMYS_7]

I repeat the question because you give no answer!!
The five fundamentals of the faith =The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's return, Bodily Resurrection. Who can be a real born again "Christian" but not believe any of the five fundamentals of faith?? And if people die without believing what is needed to be a real "Christian" where will they spend eternity??

 

[Helen]

Well I am out of this silly discussion because it isn't one.

I have answered in every post I have posted.

I have also asked you to justify by scripture about people "being lost" for not believing 'the other four'.
The ONE is enough to get them saved...the one I mentioned.
You have added the rest yourself...UNLESS you can justify what you say in the Bible.?? Where are your scriptures for the 4 ?

 

[GISMYS_7]

ROFL!!! Running for the tall grass?? Why not just read slowly and try to answer the question I asked??
repeat the question because you give no answer!!
The five fundamentals of the faith =The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's return, Bodily Resurrection. Who can be a real born again "Christian" but not believe any of the five fundamentals of faith?? And if people die without believing what is needed to be a real "Christian" where will they spend eternity??

 

[Helen]

OP =

Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in = the five fundamentals of the faith=The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's soon return. Or be lost and bound for hell.

You are changing the rules, and you have changed from the Opening Post.

The answer , as I first answered is.... NO!
They will not ...go to hell.

1)The deity of Jesus,
Now if you bothered to look at and read any other threads but your own..you would notice that this issue is already being discussed at length on the forum.
It is being discussed BY CHRISTIAN. Genuine Christians ( whatever that means.....your words)
*Where does it SAY that those who do not believe that Jesus is God, will go to hell?

NO, they will not go to Hell .
#2 Virgin birth of Jesus,

NO!
Again...WHERE does it say that anyone not believing this goes to Hell.
Back up your argument.

#3 Jesus"s Blood atonement,
Now that one..I do agree with...as that is how we are saved.

#4 Jesus's soon return.

NO!
People have always believed or not believed the "soon" return...
So NO not believing either way does not "send you to hell"

And where is the fifth? That is only FOUR!!

 

[GISMYS_7]

Many Last days "churches"===== 1 Timothy 4:1 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.======What do they now believe if they reject The five fundamentals of the faith==The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's return, Bodily Resurrection.

 

[Helen]

What do they now believe if they reject The five fundamentals of the faith==The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's return, Bodily Resurrection.

Where do you get the concept of- "The Five Fundamentals of Faith"?
Sounds like some sermon you heard.

Bodily resurrection ...yes..that is a must.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Why waste our time ??? Why not read my post very slowly and answer my little simple question ===if not just begone off into the dark night!!!LOL!
The five fundamentals of the faith =The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's return, Bodily Resurrection. Who can be a real born again "Christian" but not believe any of the five fundamentals of faith?? And if people die without believing what is needed to be a real "Christian" where will they spend eternity??

 

[Helen]

The five fundamentals of the faith =The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's return, Bodily Resurrection

Oh I agree with you..this is pointless as you never answer anything.

I have asked you more than once ..WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THE PHRASE "The five fundamentals of the faith"???

It is NOT a biblical quote!!

 

[GISMYS_7]

iI think it best for me to declare victory as all foes have been vanquished!! SOOOOOOOOeasy and fun too!!! TWEAK!!

 

[Helen]

iI think it best for me to declare victory as all foes have been vanquished!! SOOOOOOOOeasy and fun too!!! TWEAK!!

Only if you call avoidance a victory.

Talking to you is like talking to a bar of slippery soap.

You still refuse to answer My post #28

So sorry...no victory for you...if this was a chess game..then you have not played fair...you just refuse to move your pawns. :)

 

[GISMYS_7]

ROFL!! I started this thread so I ask the questions!!! Don't try to flirt" with me as I am a happily married man!! Tweak!!

 

[Helen]

ROFL!! I started this thread so I ask the questions!!! Don't try to flirt" with me as I am a happily married man!! Tweak!!

Haha! No worries there....I am probably old enough to be your mother...
My kids are 55 and 56 ...

 

[Helen]

ROFL!! I started this thread so I ask the questions!!! Don't try to flirt" with me as I am a happily married man!! Tweak!!

Aaah so that is it! Your thread, so only you gets to ask questions. LOL

Okay, I can't argue with that!

 

[GISMYS_7]

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH
There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). 1 And those who disagree with any of the above doctrines are not Christians at all. Rather, they are the true heretics. So disagreements are perfectly acceptable within the confines of Christianity, because our salvation does not hinge upon doctrines other than the above five. But if some deny even one of the five fundamentals mentioned above, they have departed from the faith, "giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1). By denying the above scriptural doctrines, they have heaped to themselves "teachers, having itching ears" (2 Timothy 4:3); thereby even "denying the Lord that bought them" (2 Peter 2:1). These are the true heretics, who are preaching "another Jesus", according to 2 Corinthians 11:4: For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. And later in this same chapter, Paul refers to these people as the ministers of Satan, in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/fivefundementals.pdf

 

[Helen]

Ah...finally :)

Because I myself am not strictly "mail-line" or basic fundamental ...I'm not sure that I can 100% agree with that link.
I still believe that all five are important indeed...And I myself do agree with all of them...but I cannot say that those who don't wholly hold to those three (that I mentioned), will end up in hell. Nah.
( not that I myself are mainline on the issue of hell either)
But, as I happen to hold all of these, I trust that The Holy Spirit will lead all Christians into the truth. But I will not condemn those who don't.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Luke warm?? = Not good!!
God says==I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other. 16So because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of My mouth!… Revelation 3:15

 

[Helen]

Luke warm?? = Not good!!
God says==I know your deeds; you are neither cold nor hot. How I wish you were one or the other. 16So because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of My mouth!… Revelation 3:15

I do agree that we each need to make sure that we are alive and hidden in Him..but I don't believe that we can really tell where another person is or is not " In the Lord".
We cannot see hearts.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Yes!! But some tell us in their posts so we need not wonder!!!

 

[Phoneman777]

Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in = the five fundamentals of the faith=The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's soon return. Or be lost and bound for hell. Do you??

Proof of genuine Christianity a believer needs to believe in = the five fundamentals of the faith=The deity of Jesus, Virgin birth of Jesus, Jesus"s Blood atonement, Jesus's soon return. Or be lost and bound for hell. Do you??

"The devils believe, and tremble."

 

[GISMYS_7]

Strong words of Truth on the fundamentals of the faith.

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH
There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). 1 And those who disagree with any of the above doctrines are not Christians at all. Rather, they are the true heretics. So disagreements are perfectly acceptable within the confines of Christianity, because our salvation does not hinge upon doctrines other than the above five. But if some deny even one of the five fundamentals mentioned above, they have departed from the faith, "giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1). By denying the above scriptural doctrines, they have heaped to themselves "teachers, having itching ears" (2 Timothy 4:3); thereby even "denying the Lord that bought them" (2 Peter 2:1). These are the true heretics, who are preaching "another Jesus", according to 2 Corinthians 11:4: For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. And later in this same chapter, Paul refers to these people as the ministers of Satan, in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/fivefundementals.pdf