http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci...0,2647874.storyFrom the Los Angeles TimesOtzi, the prehistoric 'iceman,' probably has no modern descendantsNovember 1, 2008Otzi, Italy's prehistoric "iceman," probably does not have any modern-day descendants, according to a study published Thursday.A team of Italian and British scientists who sequenced his mitochondrial DNA -- which is passed down through the mother's line -- found that Otzi belonged to a genetic lineage that is either extremely rare or has died out.Otzi's 5,300-year-old corpse was found frozen in the Tirolean Alps in 1991."Our research suggests that Otzi's lineage may indeed have become extinct," Martin Richards of Leeds University in Britain, who worked on the study, said in a statement.The findings published in the journal Current Biology reverse research from 1994 on a small section of Otzi's DNA that suggested the iceman had relatives living in Europe.Richards and colleagues said their analysis confirmed that Otzi belonged to a previously unidentified lineage that has not been seen to date in modern European populations.Scientists were thrilled to find Otzi's mummified body had remained well preserved for more than 5,000 years. Evidence shows he was probably a hunter.
Proof: Races before Flood?
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We are told Adam was created 6,000 years ago. We also know Adam's bloodline of whom Christ would come continued. Now we have evidence that a 5300 year old man came from an extinct Race. Within Appox. 700 short years of Adam Here we have a different Race that is now extinct Where did this race come from if God had not as we claim scripture says create that ALL the races on the sixth day.Remembering that Adam's gen lived an average of about 900 years. If Adam and Eve were the only people on earth,and all people stemed from them, their Dna would have to be found in all people upon the earth then, but that line through David, of which Christ came continues through till today.
6000 years is a minimum for Adam. The Flood easily accounts for this ancient man's DNA not matching any living human population. Only Noah and the other humans on the boat passed on their DNA.
What does that have do to with anything Follower that doesn't even make any sense If all people stemmed from two the same DNA would still be traceable through the descendants of Noah ..........Today the fact its extinct proves it didnt continue through to today the important fact is it had to exist while Adam was alive .... within there life time..... so where did it come from
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...The Flood easily accounts for this ancient man's DNA not matching any living human population. ....
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...The Flood easily accounts for this ancient man's DNA not matching any living human population. ....
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Lord Jesus confirms the first testiment and say's at the (BEGINNING) God created Man And woman not men and women, talking about Adam and Eve there was nothing mentioned about anyone else because that was the BEGINNING.The reason for the for the change in the DNA could of being (Genesis 11:4). fall of tower of Babel.The point is our lord Jesus Christ our giver of life and the recociliation of the Father said at the Beggining God created man and woman not men and women referring to Adam and Eve.There was no other humans before Adam and Eve and to think so is from the carnal mind, and not from the Holy Spirit.
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Lord Jesus confirms the first testiment and say's at the (BEGINNING) God created Man And woman not men and women, talking about Adam and Eve there was nothing mentioned about anyone else because that was the BEGINNING.The reason for the for the change in the DNA could of being (Genesis 11:4). fall of tower of Babel.The point is our lord Jesus Christ our giver of life and the recociliation of the Father said at the Beggining God created man and woman not men and women referring to Adam and Eve.There was no other humans before Adam and Eve and to think so is from the carnal mind, and not from the Holy Spirit.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. What's carnal minded is to think God starts the human race with an INCEST. It is a SIN. So for a person to think God has NO way of multiply humans but starting with SIN. So to your eyes, God is NOT perfect.
Lord Jesus confirms the first testiment and say's at the (BEGINNING) God created Man And woman not men and women, talking about Adam and Eve there was nothing mentioned about anyone else because that was the BEGINNING.The reason for the for the change in the DNA could of being (Genesis 11:4). fall of tower of Babel.The point is our lord Jesus Christ our giver of life and the recociliation of the Father said at the Beggining God created man and woman not men and women referring to Adam and Eve.There was no other humans before Adam and Eve and to think so is from the carnal mind, and not from the Holy Spirit.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. What's carnal minded is to think God starts the human race with an INCEST. It is a SIN. So for a person to think God has NO way of multiply humans but starting with SIN. So to your eyes, God is NOT perfect.
This was put in the Deeper study thread for real discussions not arguments of one opinion or what you learned in Sunday school or smart Alick remarks for those wanting proof scripture says these things please ask,for those who are curious please ask, for those wanting real conversation please jump in. for those wanting to just voice their opinions without a real dialogue of the scriptures involvedThis topic isnt about anyones Salvation, but in an attempt to gain understanding of the deeper things of scripture(see rules)http://www.christianityboard.com/rules-dee...orum-t9071.html
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. What's carnal minded is to think God starts the human race with an INCEST. It is a SIN. So for a person to think God has NO way of multiply humans but starting with SIN. So to your eyes, God is NOT perfect.
Jordan, When did God declair incest to be sin? Was incest a sin before that time?
Wrong, wrong and wrong. What's carnal minded is to think God starts the human race with an INCEST. It is a SIN. So for a person to think God has NO way of multiply humans but starting with SIN. So to your eyes, God is NOT perfect.
Jordan, When did God declair incest to be sin? Was incest a sin before that time?
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. What's carnal minded is to think God starts the human race with an INCEST. It is a SIN. So for a person to think God has NO way of multiply humans but starting with SIN. So to your eyes, God is NOT perfect.
Jordan, When did God declair incest to be sin? Was incest a sin before that time?Incest ruins the whole point of Genesis 1:26-28. Same thing with murder. Cain being the first murderer and God didn't say it either... so I used common sense. As God wants us to use common sense.
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. What's carnal minded is to think God starts the human race with an INCEST. It is a SIN. So for a person to think God has NO way of multiply humans but starting with SIN. So to your eyes, God is NOT perfect.
Jordan, When did God declair incest to be sin? Was incest a sin before that time?Incest ruins the whole point of Genesis 1:26-28. Same thing with murder. Cain being the first murderer and God didn't say it either... so I used common sense. As God wants us to use common sense.
(((Christina))))I have a few question..if I may please ask? Was this before Adam generation or after Adam generation? ..right before the flood? If you already said it..I do aplologize. I just found this amazing!
Questions are never a problem Lookin 4 ward be glad to explain. What we are saying here is that God created the earth and everything in it he gave trees herbs plants to eat ect. Then on the sixth day he creates Man this word in the hebrew is more like our word Men. Then he orders them to be fruitful and re-plenish the earth. Then he rests. It isnt till after he rests that he mentions Adam in the Hebrew This is more like "The Man"What we are saying is this on the sixth Day God created all the races of men.And this is where the races came from. Where Cain took his wife from. and whom cain built a city for.Ill show you in scripture Genesis 1:26 "And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."God set out to make man exactly the way he is. Man was then created to look like the exact image of God, and his sons; the angels. If you ever wondered what an angel form looks like? Then look into a mirror, for we are created in their image.Note that God created first the fish, then the fowl, and then the beasts. Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind. God then gave man the dominion over all the animal kingdom. He gave the animal cattle to hunt, and fish to catch for food, as well as taming them for domestic use. Man is the highest form of all life on this earth, though many movements today act as if they don't know it. When they place and value their soul little more then animal life.Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."So it was on this sixth day that both man and woman of all races were formed, and each after their kind. Yet all forms of mankind red, yellow, black [brown], or white are all created in the image of God.Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, ad over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."The intent of God was to have each race multiply "after their kind". For God created all that is necessary for all mankind to exist. "Replenish" is translated properly, and the command is to replenish the earth.
Adam was not mentioned until after God rests, Then he is said to be put into a Garden a seperate Place Not just on the earth but in a protected place called Eden and he was given Eve a helper.Now Adam was special he was kept seperate because he was the Bloodline of whom Christ would come.
So what the article is proving is that a race existed while Adam was still alive that doesn't have the same DNA as we do today, So was not therefore descended from Noah (through Adam)
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Note that God created first the fish, then the fowl, and then the beasts. Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind. God then gave man the dominion over all the animal kingdom. He gave the animal cattle to hunt, and fish to catch for food, as well as taming them for domestic use. Man is the highest form of all life on this earth, though many movements today act as if they don't know it. When they place and value their soul little more then animal life.
As Christina points out, these humans are given the task of hunting and fishing. The man mentioned in the OP was hunting.
Adam was not mentioned until after God rests, Then he is said to be put into a Garden a seperate Place Not just on the earth but in a protected place called Eden and he was given Eve a helper.Now Adam was special he was kept seperate because he was the Bloodline of whom Christ would come.
This special man, created on the 8th day, was given the job of farming. On the same day, God created the animals used for farming.
Note that God created first the fish, then the fowl, and then the beasts. Following their creation and multiplying, God created the races of mankind. God then gave man the dominion over all the animal kingdom. He gave the animal cattle to hunt, and fish to catch for food, as well as taming them for domestic use. Man is the highest form of all life on this earth, though many movements today act as if they don't know it. When they place and value their soul little more then animal life.
As Christina points out, these humans are given the task of hunting and fishing. The man mentioned in the OP was hunting.
Adam was not mentioned until after God rests, Then he is said to be put into a Garden a seperate Place Not just on the earth but in a protected place called Eden and he was given Eve a helper.Now Adam was special he was kept seperate because he was the Bloodline of whom Christ would come.
This special man, created on the 8th day, was given the job of farming. On the same day, God created the animals used for farming.
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Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."So it was on this sixth day that both man and woman of all races were formed, and each after their kind. Yet all forms of mankind red, yellow, black [brown], or white are all created in the image of God.
Being created in God's image has nothing to do with how many people were originally created. The Bible says Adam was the first man and he is treated as the ancestor of us all. The Bible makes no mention of anyone existing before Adam or in parallel to Adam. It is only your opinion that Cain married someone other than his sister and that reasoning is supported by nothing other than the false notion that such a relationship would be a sin. Righteous people in the Bible, such as Abraham, practiced incest up until the levitical law against it. But, none of this Bible talk has anything to do with the fact that the DNA shows this iceman is a caucasian, not a member of another race, such as of pre-adamic men. DNA proves the iceman is a child of Adam. He is branch of caucasians which didn't leave any ancestors (i.e. his tribe died in the Flood or for some other reason).The y-chromosome of all men on Earth is practically identical, proving a single, common male ancestor, Adam. Unless God made this different races clones of earth other, which would defeat the argument that God created the original races differently. The MTMA in all people is nearly identical, proving a common female ancestor, Eve. (The Y-chromosome and MDNA are both passed on without recombination in sexual reproduction). Deal with it. There are so many real things of interest to discuss about the Bible without getting hung up on out-of-hand denials of what the Bible teaches and of other facts.
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them."So it was on this sixth day that both man and woman of all races were formed, and each after their kind. Yet all forms of mankind red, yellow, black [brown], or white are all created in the image of God.
Being created in God's image has nothing to do with how many people were originally created. The Bible says Adam was the first man and he is treated as the ancestor of us all. The Bible makes no mention of anyone existing before Adam or in parallel to Adam. It is only your opinion that Cain married someone other than his sister and that reasoning is supported by nothing other than the false notion that such a relationship would be a sin. Righteous people in the Bible, such as Abraham, practiced incest up until the levitical law against it. But, none of this Bible talk has anything to do with the fact that the DNA shows this iceman is a caucasian, not a member of another race, such as of pre-adamic men. DNA proves the iceman is a child of Adam. He is branch of caucasians which didn't leave any ancestors (i.e. his tribe died in the Flood or for some other reason).The y-chromosome of all men on Earth is practically identical, proving a single, common male ancestor, Adam. Unless God made this different races clones of earth other, which would defeat the argument that God created the original races differently. The MTMA in all people is nearly identical, proving a common female ancestor, Eve. (The Y-chromosome and MDNA are both passed on without recombination in sexual reproduction). Deal with it. There are so many real things of interest to discuss about the Bible without getting hung up on out-of-hand denials of what the Bible teaches and of other facts.
This is nothing but opinion the same thing we all learned in Sunday school is has nothing to do with Hebrew with deeper teaching of the scripture it is just and argument made because there are no answers given by man.God does not say Cain married his sister this came from an Eygptian Myth its still there in hieroglphys today God was not so ineffecient that he ordered the earth be replenished and then only put two on earth leaving incest as the only option. This is ignorance of men. You opinon is posted thanks but we all already know the Sunday school way of men.
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Being created in God's image has nothing to do with how many people were originally created. The Bible says Adam was the first man and he is treated as the ancestor of us all. The Bible makes no mention of anyone existing before Adam or in parallel to Adam. It is only your opinion that Cain married someone other than his sister and that reasoning is supported by nothing other than the false notion that such a relationship would be a sin. Righteous people in the Bible, such as Abraham, practiced incest up until the levitical law against it. But, none of this Bible talk has anything to do with the fact that the DNA shows this iceman is a caucasian, not a member of another race, such as of pre-adamic men. DNA proves the iceman is a child of Adam. He is branch of caucasians which didn't leave any ancestors (i.e. his tribe died in the Flood or for some other reason).The y-chromosome of all men on Earth is practically identical, proving a single, common male ancestor, Adam. Unless God made this different races clones of earth other, which would defeat the argument that God created the original races differently. The MTMA in all people is nearly identical, proving a common female ancestor, Eve. (The Y-chromosome and MDNA are both passed on without recombination in sexual reproduction). Deal with it. There are so many real things of interest to discuss about the Bible without getting hung up on out-of-hand denials of what the Bible teaches and of other facts.
You're still wrong. Deny the fact that every people does not have the same color skin as Adam. You're becoming more foolish everyday.
Being created in God's image has nothing to do with how many people were originally created. The Bible says Adam was the first man and he is treated as the ancestor of us all. The Bible makes no mention of anyone existing before Adam or in parallel to Adam. It is only your opinion that Cain married someone other than his sister and that reasoning is supported by nothing other than the false notion that such a relationship would be a sin. Righteous people in the Bible, such as Abraham, practiced incest up until the levitical law against it. But, none of this Bible talk has anything to do with the fact that the DNA shows this iceman is a caucasian, not a member of another race, such as of pre-adamic men. DNA proves the iceman is a child of Adam. He is branch of caucasians which didn't leave any ancestors (i.e. his tribe died in the Flood or for some other reason).The y-chromosome of all men on Earth is practically identical, proving a single, common male ancestor, Adam. Unless God made this different races clones of earth other, which would defeat the argument that God created the original races differently. The MTMA in all people is nearly identical, proving a common female ancestor, Eve. (The Y-chromosome and MDNA are both passed on without recombination in sexual reproduction). Deal with it. There are so many real things of interest to discuss about the Bible without getting hung up on out-of-hand denials of what the Bible teaches and of other facts.
You're still wrong. Deny the fact that every people does not have the same color skin as Adam. You're becoming more foolish everyday.
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