Look up the scripture for yourself. The trinity makes the claim that
no person within the trinity has a beginning. But is this true? John 1:1 actually supersedes Gen 1:1 Who did creation come through?? Before the earth before the angels, before the heavens as we as space and galaxies. Doesn't the scripture state that Jesus is in the image of God? The Firstborn of All Creation?? Are you trying to say that Jesus was never begotten??
In the
Beginning was the Word (John 1:1) Yes or No? You use this verse a million times
but now you don't believe the Word has a beginning?
The Word was begotten when?? In the beginning. I know it hurts, But you don't have to believe if you don't want too. You have free will... So the Beginning is giving witness about whom? Take alook at this:
Strong's Concordance:
arché: beginning,
origin Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech:
Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: arché
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')
Short Definition:
ruler, beginning
Definition: (a) rule (
kingly or
magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, (c)
beginning.
So who has the beginning?? In the Beginning
was the Word (John 1:1)
HELPS Word-studies 746
arxḗ –
properly, from the beginning (
temporal sense),
i.e."
the initial (starting) point";
(figuratively) what
comes first and therefore is
chief (
foremost),
i.e.
has the priority because ahead of the rest ("
preeminent").
Look at each one, do they not explain a time when Jesus was Begotten?? In the Beginning.. the beginning of what?
He is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn of all creation; (Colossians 1:15) Now plug in the meanings and the explanations from the word Beginning. Is he preeminent?? Is he Chief? Ect..ect...
Isn't Firstborn a starting point? Yes or No? Firstborn of what???
Strong's Concordance
ktisis:
creation (the act or the product)
Original Word: κτίσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech:
Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ktisis
Phonetic Spelling: (ktis'-is)
Short Definition:
creation, creature, institution
Definition: (often of the founding of a city), (a) abstr:
creation, (b) concr:
creation, creature, institution;
always of Divine work, (c) an institution, ordinance.
Do I really need to keep going??
The Bible even states that "
Christ is the Wisdom of God." (
1 Corinthians 1:24)
Strong's Concordance sophia: skill,
wisdom
Original Word: σοφία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech:
Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: sophia
Phonetic Spelling: (sof-ee'-ah)
Short Definition:
wisdom
Definition:
wisdom, insight, skill (human or divine), intelligence.
Someone once told me, 'If you really want to know about Jesus prehuman existence,
read Proverbs chapter 8 and 9...
I know I know,
Wisdom is spoken as she in feminine sense... Yes Sir!