Father and Son:
Gen 1 God said let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.
Proof that Jesus is God
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Gen 1 God said let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.
Wrangler
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This thread contends there are proof of such verses that show He was and is God. No such proof has been presented.
What’s been presented is imposing trinitarian doctrine onto unitarian text.
See above for the purpose of this thread.
How many Gods do you believe in? I don't think you even know.
Gen 1 God said, "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.
Father and Son!
"The definition of begotten means something created something else or someone fathered a child" - from Begotten Meaning | Best 3 Definitions of Begotten. To beget, apart from meaning to be the father of, can mean "To cause to exist or occur; produce" - from Beget Meaning | Best 8 Definitions of Beget.
In order to harmonise with other verses of Scripture, it is evident that Jesus being begotten of the Father, means that the Father, Yahweh (God) produced, caused to exist, or created Jesus in his original spirit being nature. That was a mortal nature, just as all the angels also have a mortal spirit being nature. It had to be a mortal nature because God changed his nature from spirit to (mortal) human, and Jesus died as a human. To be immortal, by definition, means that you cannot possibly die - therefore you cannot have your nature changed to a mortal nature because that means you could not have been immortal in the first place!
Jesus was the only begotten of God, because God created Jesus but all other living beings, although creations of God, were then created by (and therefore through) Jesus, not by God directly.
Jesus prayed to God for restoration to his former spirit nature after his death:
John 17:5 (WEB): Now, Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world existed.
But at his resurrection God instead rewarded him by exalting him to a greater glory - the immortal divine nature:
Act 2:33 (WEB): Being therefore exalted by the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this, which you now see and hear.
Philippians 2 (WEB):
8) And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.
9) Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;
10) that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,
11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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When we read of the LORD in the Old Testament we are reading about the pre-incarnate Jesus. Here are some examples:
Colossians 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
John 17:5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
Micah 5:2 "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel. His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity."
Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Colossians 1:16-18 — For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
Isaiah 44:24 — Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, (Jesus is the Redeemer) And He who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who makes all things, Who stretches out the heavens all alone, Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
John 1:3 — All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Ephesians 3:9 — and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ
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Right! God's son was with God in the beginning of God's creation, and God's son (Jesus, the Word) did the creating. Seems quite obvious to me that the "beginning" was referring to the beginning of God's creation.
Remeber your favourite verse, John 1:1 - Jesus was with God in the beginning, and Jesus did the creating. So in Gen 1:26 when God said, “Let’s make man in our image, after our likeness”, and all the other "God said, “Let ...”", that was God giving instructions to His son, Jesus. Nice and simple - no need to concoct strange theories that two (or three) separate beings are somehow actually one being, or other such nonsense!
You may want to re-read (Exodus 3:2) again to find Jesus in his pre human existence as the Word.
American Standard Version
And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Literal Standard Version
and the Messenger of YHWH appears to him in a flame of fire, out of the midst of the bush, and he sees, and behold, the bush is burning with fire, and the bush is not consumed.
World English Bible
The angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Young's Literal Translation
and there appeareth unto him a messenger of Jehovah in a flame of fire, out of the midst of the bush, and he seeth, and lo, the bush is burning with fire, and the bush is not consumed.
Now are you going to say God is an angel? This angel was called God and Jehovah later on in Exodus 3...
So you don't know how many Gods you believe in?
Isaiah 48:16-17 (NKJV)
16 "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me." 17 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: "I am the LORD your God,
"Of course, today most people simply refer to the divine being as God, Lord or even the Almighty, but these are merely titles much in the same way as a person might be addressed as Mr or Sir rather than by their personal name.
So how do we know that God’s name is Jehovah? Well you may be surprised to learn that the Tetragrammaton appears nearly 7,000 times in the original Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). However, in most modern translations of the Bible, the divine name has been replaced by the word LORD in capital letters.
As noted above, many modern translations of the Bible have continued with this tradition of suppressing God’s name or substituting it with the word LORD."
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So how do we know that God’s name is Jehovah? Well you may be surprised to learn that the Tetragrammaton appears nearly 7,000 times in the original Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). However, in most modern translations of the Bible, the divine name has been replaced by the word LORD in capital letters.
As noted above, many modern translations of the Bible have continued with this tradition of suppressing God’s name or substituting it with the word LORD."
Read more...
ByGraceThroughFaith
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the left is the Watchtowers bias against the Deity of Jesus Christ. The right is what the verse actually says!
ByGraceThroughFaith
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obvious to you because you cannot accept the FACT that the Bible teaches that Jesus Christ IS Almighty God!
Deity of Christ is always in the feminine sense as being brought forth with labor pains.
Strong's Concordance
theotés: deity
Original Word: θεότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theotés
Phonetic Spelling: (theh-ot'-ace)
Short Definition: deity, Godhead
Definition: deity, Godhead.
Therefore, the feminine noun of theos was used.
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Short Definition: God, a god
Definition: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.
The use of a feminine nouns emphasis the fact that the Word was created. When? "In the Beginning was the Word" (John 1:1) Words such as godlike, divinity, or deity are all in the feminine sense.
Strong's Concordance:
arché: beginning, origin
Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: arché
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')
Short Definition: ruler, beginning
Definition: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, (c) beginning.
HELPS Word-studies 746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e."the initial (starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief (foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").
Jesus is preeminent is he not? "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;" (Colossians 1:15)
Why all the vitriol?
Please stick to a civilised discussion. The verse after the one you quoted above says, "but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, Christ" (Eph 4:15).Consider Paul's othere words:
Gal 1:8) But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you any “good news” other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.
Gal 1:9) As we have said before, so I now say again: if any man preaches to you any “good news” other than that which you received, let him be cursed.
It was so important he said it twice! And yet the Trinity, and similar beliefs, are an apostasy that occurred hundreds of years after the apostles had died. The Trinity is not part of the Gospel that Paul and the other apostles taught. Paul warned that there would be a falling away from the truth:
2Th 2:3 (Darby) Let not any one deceive you in any manner, because it will not be unless the apostasy have first come, and the man of sin have been revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
You're in that trap, believing the errors from hundreds of years after the apostles, rather than the truth that was delivered by the apostles to the early Church.
1 John 5:20 (WEB): We know that the Son of God has come, and has given us an understanding, that we know him who is true [God], and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This [God!] is the true God, and eternal life.
i.e. we are in Jesus, who is in God, therefore we are in God.
John 17:3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
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I think satan is gleeful when we will argue about everything rather than actually SEE where we have areas of mistrust.
Its kind of like when the politicians don’t want attention drawn to something they’ve done or said so they get everyone arguing about something other than that.
Its kind of like when the politicians don’t want attention drawn to something they’ve done or said so they get everyone arguing about something other than that.
John1:1 about beginning... HELPS Word-studies 746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e."the initial (starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief (foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").
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HELPS Word-studies 746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense)
John1:1 can also read "From the Beginning was the Word"
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HELPS Word-studies 746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense)
John1:1 can also read "From the Beginning was the Word"
Show a scripture that states Jesus Christ IS Almighty God.
If Jesus Christ is Almighty God surely there would be One Scripture??? Even the trinity doctrine doesn't make that claim.. is that why some trinitarians claim God Almighty was Begotten??
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