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CharismaticLady

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Oh really? Part of the New Covenant is the perfect sacrifice of Christ on the cross. This has been fulfilled. Are you saying that there is a possibility he may need to come back and be crucified again?

Then what ended the Old Covenant making way for the New Covenant???o_O Or are we still under the Law??? Did Christ put New Wine into old wineskins??? Boy, do you desperately need a lesson in Covenant Theology, or what???

Christ's death was the last sacrifice and was the end and fulfillment of the Old Covenant with its laws and sacrifices, all needed because of Adam's sin. It was because of sin that the Old Covenant was needed, so no, Christ doesn't need to die again, because He dealt with the sin issue, once and for all for all who enter the New Covenant. The resurrection and, especially, the giving of the Holy Spirit was the beginning of the New Covenant needed to prepare us for eternal life in heaven, where only the righteous and holy, Revelation 22:11, will live and reign with Christ. (No sinners, only children of God. John 8:32-36). Not understanding covenant theology is why there is so much false teaching about 'always being a sinner' in the Church as you know, because that is what you, yourself, have been taught and teach. It is the Holy Spirit that takes the power away from the old nature and makes us born again with a divine nature, 2 Peter 1. Christ's sacrifice and resurrection was a foreshadow of the death of our sin nature and our new life in Him. Christ ended the Law, and His death and resurrection and ascension to heaven brought us the indwelling Spirit. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ has freed us from the law of sin and death.

Covenant Theology 101. (Matthew 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." In other words, nothing ceases inside a covenant until the covenant, itself, is fulfilled.) The covenant is a will and testament. Christ preached the New Covenant (like writing His will and testament while alive), but it was not put into affect until the death of the Testator, Hebrews 9:6. Out with the old; in with the NEW. Seeing Christ face to face at the second coming is when the gifts of the Spirit will no longer be necessary and will cease. That is the end of the New Covenant.

What Cessationists don't understand among many things is that even with the Bible we only get a dim view of the glory of God, like seeing Him through a dark glass. You all think the gifts were only for writing the Bible, yet most of your prayers are not answered, or has prayer ceased too, because it takes gifts of the Spirit to know God's will in particular situations, to pray accurately and receive what you pray for - the sign of our assurance 1 John 3:18-24. But, don't worry, God won't force them onto a non-believer of the gifts, so you're safe, like an agoraphobic. Not really living to the fullest, but safe.

If you notice, Christ, Himself, brought in the 1st covenant of the Ten Commandments. It was His finger. And only He can end that covenant, which He did on the cross; just as only He can start and end the New Covenant, by returning to heaven and sending His Spirit to start the covenant, and coming again in the second coming to end the covenant with its partial knowledge. The New Testament and everything in it, like it or not, is ours. Christ did not end it with the death of the apostles. They fulfilled their ministry to preach the New Covenant just as we are, and Jesus has supplied us with everything we need to sustain us through His Own Spirit, just like He did them. And it is the reason tongues is a sign to the unbeliever - to the mockers, even inside the Church, the uninformed. It is accurately called a "sign which will be spoken against" (by unbelievers). The Laodecians do not want or need all that God has for us, and the reason they are lukewarm and dull of hearing God's voice.

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How do you prove a negative?

Can you prove that there are prophets today, and that their words are equal to Scripture?

Joseph Smith made this claim, but most Christians do not accept it.
Interesting that you use a Mormon to justify your point.
I can prove there is....my testimony of experiencing one in person.....his prophesy in my life did come to pass and it lined up with scripture.
 

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Can you prove that there are prophets today ... ?

That's SIMPLE. All we have to do is find current ministries of the following: Apostles; Evangelists; Pastors; and Teachers.

If you have NONE, then we have no Prophets, -- and the corollary.
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Oh really? Part of the New Covenant is the perfect sacrifice of Christ on the cross. This has been fulfilled. Are you saying that there is a possibility he may need to come back and be crucified again?
(Edited) David, you really need to grasp this.

Then what ended the Old Covenant making way for the New Covenant???o_O Or are we still under the Law??? Did Christ put New Wine into old wineskins??? Boy, do you desperately need a lesson in Covenant Theology, or what???

Christ's death was the last sacrifice and was the end and fulfillment of the Old Covenant with its laws and sacrifices, all needed because of Adam's sin. It was because of sin that the Old Covenant was needed, so no, Christ doesn't need to die again, because He dealt with the sin issue, once and for all for all who enter the New Covenant. The resurrection and, especially, the giving of the Holy Spirit was the beginning of the New Covenant needed to prepare us for eternal life in heaven, where only the righteous and holy, Revelation 22:11, will live and reign with Christ. (No sinners, only children of God. John 8:32-36). Not understanding covenant theology is why there is so much false teaching about 'always being a sinner' in the Church as you know, because that is what you, yourself, have been taught and teach. It is the Holy Spirit that takes the power away from the old nature and makes us born again with a divine nature, 2 Peter 1. Christ's sacrifice and resurrection was a foreshadow of the death of our sin nature and our new life in Him. Christ ended the Law, and His death and resurrection and ascension to heaven brought us the indwelling Spirit. The law of the Spirit of life in Christ has freed us from the law of sin and death.

Covenant Theology 101. (Matthew 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled." In other words, nothing ceases inside a covenant until the covenant, itself, is fulfilled.) The covenant is a will and testament. Christ preached the New Covenant (like writing His will and testament while alive), but it was not put into affect until the death of the Testator, Hebrews 9:6. Out with the old; in with the NEW. Seeing Christ face to face at the second coming is when the gifts of the Spirit will no longer be necessary and will cease. That is the end of the New Covenant.

What Cessationists don't understand among many things is that even with the Bible we only get a dim view of the glory of God, like seeing Him through a dark glass. You all think the gifts were only for writing the Bible, yet most of your prayers are not answered, or has prayer ceased too, because it takes gifts of the Spirit to know God's will in particular situations, to pray accurately and receive what you pray for - the sign of our assurance 1 John 3:18-24. But, don't worry, God won't force them onto a non-believer of the gifts, so you're safe, like an agoraphobic. Not really living to the fullest, but safe.

If you notice, Christ, Himself, brought in the 1st covenant of the Ten Commandments. It was His finger. And only He can end that covenant, which He did on the cross; just as only He can start and end the New Covenant, by returning to heaven and sending His Spirit to start the covenant, and coming again in the second coming to end the covenant with its partial knowledge. The New Testament and everything in it, like it or not, is ours. Christ did not end it with the death of the apostles. They fulfilled their ministry to preach the New Covenant just as we are, and Jesus has supplied us with everything we need to sustain us through His Own Spirit, just like He did them. And it is the reason tongues is a sign to the unbeliever - to the mockers, even inside the Church, the uninformed. It is accurately called a "sign which will be spoken against" (by unbelievers). The Laodecians do not want or need all that God has for us, and the reason they are lukewarm and dull of hearing God's voice.
 
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