No thank you. I go where God calls me, and where I find His Truth. And that’s not Baptists.
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@The Learner , I know you mean “you sound like a Baptist” as a compliment. But … *Jane searching for words*… with all possible respect, I find little joy or substance in Baptist beliefs. I leave Baptist church services /studies still spiritually hungry. Such is not my home and can never be.
Ok, whatever will be will be, but you should consider the real Jesus. The true G_d is a Spirit and does not have flesh and bone.
Clarifying actual LDS Christian beliefs here:
Like Baptists, I believe that the Holy Spirit is divine (He’s God) and is a spirit without a body. I beleive that Jesus Christ (whom is also God) has a spirit which resides body of flesh and bone, now post resurrection and glorified. This is an amazing miracle that I will praise from the roof tops. Christ’s amazing body is not something to deny or downplay.
The Bible itself doesn’t specify if God the Father is like the Son (spirit in a body) or like the Spirit (no body). But it’s clearly in the Bible that God can have a body, as exemplified in the Son.
Before you go copy paste John 4 here: don’t. To interpret John 4 as “well God can’t have a body” denies that God EMBODIED is the speaker here. Such interpretation makes zero sense and denies Christ’s divinity. I can’t stand it when Creedals do that. Rather, the point of John 4 is that we should worship God with our spirits / hearts. That’s a huge theme throughout the entire New Testement.
The supper proble is friend, that God the Father does not have a body, he too is only spirit.
Again: The Bible itself doesn’t specify if God the Father is like the Son (spirit in a body) or like the Spirit (no body). But it’s clearly in the Bible that God can have a body, as exemplified in the Son.
The Bible says that mankind is divine. Like Paul say joint heirs with Christ
Mmmm john 4.23. Worship the father in spirit. But people have seen the father as read in the bible.
I already addressed this:
To interpret John 4 as “well God can’t have a body” denies that God EMBODIED is the speaker here. Such interpretation makes zero sense and denies Christ’s divinity. I can’t stand it when Creedals do that. Rather, the point of John 4 is that we should worship God with our spirits / hearts. That’s a huge theme throughout the entire New Testement.
I read the Bible. I love the God of the BIBLE.
Yes but that is not what the Bible says. Who is 'the faithful and true witness", and who is "The Amen". God is not embodied in Christ. Rev 3 14 kjv states that. And yes Jesus is Divine: but so are we. And yes Jesus only did what the Father told him. I wish my sons were that obedient.
And I am sorry that you read the Bible from a denominational slant. In doing so I believe that you have put Godin a box. And that He has to be just like the traditions of man and not what the Bible actually reads.
And btw. I am not mormon.
I can tell you aren’t an LDS Christian on this post alone. Christ’s divinity as the Son of God is a central LDS Christian beleif.
God’s Incorporeality | Reasonable Faith
Dr. Craig discusses God's immateriality in light of his recent writing and research.
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Incorporeality of God
Incorporeality of God is his being without a body. That God is incorporeal is evident; for,
1. Materiality is incompatible with self-existence, and God, being self- existent, must be incorporeal.
2. If God were corporeal, he could not be present in any part of the world where body is; yet his presence is necessary for the support and motion of body.
3. A body cannot. be in two places at the same time; yet he is everywhere, and fills heaven and earth.
4. A body is to be seen and felt, but God is invisible and impalpable (John 1, 185. See Charnock, Works, 1, 117; Gill, Body of Divinity, 1, 45, 8vo; Diudiridge, Lectures on Divinity, lect. 47. SEE GOD).
Incorporeality of God from the McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia.
Incorporeality of God from the McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia.
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. Isaiah 31:3: “The Egyptians are man, and not God, and their horses are flesh, and not spirit.”
John 4:24: “For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth.”
Malachi 3:6: “For I the LORD do not change.” This is God speaking through his prophet, through his instrument, Malachi. “For I the LORD do not change.” And similar verses in Psalm 102 and James 1:17. “There is no shadow due to turning”—the familiar verse in James 1:17. God does not change and cast a shadow.
anthropomorphisms—that is, the employment of human characteristics to describe God. God accommodates himself and he speaks to us in language that we can understand. Those texts are not Literal.
God is invisible. Well of course, if he has no body, he is invisible. If God is spirit, he is invisible.
Lots of Biblical references. Jesus in the end of John’s prologue: “No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known,”
1 John 4:2: “No one has ever seen God.” Or Paul in Romans 1: “His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived.” Or Colossians 1:15: “Christ is the image of the invisible God.” 1 Timothy 1:17: “To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.” And then 1 Timothy 6:16: (Christ) “He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see.” So lots of texts here about the invisibility of God.
Theophany. In the Old Testament, for example, you have God appearing in what we call “theophanies.” Those appearances of God in the patriarchal times—Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. These “Angels of the Lord.” These physical forms that are sometimes referred to as angels and sometimes they are referred to as the Lord himself. Theophanies. Think of Moses in Exodus 33 asking to see God’s glory: “Let me see your glory.” And God promises Moses an experience of his goodness and an explanation of his name, but then he adds, “You cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.”
John 4:24: “For unto such hath God promised his Spirit. And they who worship him, must worship in spirit and in truth.”
Malachi 3:6: “For I the LORD do not change.” This is God speaking through his prophet, through his instrument, Malachi. “For I the LORD do not change.” And similar verses in Psalm 102 and James 1:17. “There is no shadow due to turning”—the familiar verse in James 1:17. God does not change and cast a shadow.
anthropomorphisms—that is, the employment of human characteristics to describe God. God accommodates himself and he speaks to us in language that we can understand. Those texts are not Literal.
God is invisible. Well of course, if he has no body, he is invisible. If God is spirit, he is invisible.
Lots of Biblical references. Jesus in the end of John’s prologue: “No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known,”
1 John 4:2: “No one has ever seen God.” Or Paul in Romans 1: “His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived.” Or Colossians 1:15: “Christ is the image of the invisible God.” 1 Timothy 1:17: “To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.” And then 1 Timothy 6:16: (Christ) “He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see.” So lots of texts here about the invisibility of God.
Theophany. In the Old Testament, for example, you have God appearing in what we call “theophanies.” Those appearances of God in the patriarchal times—Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. These “Angels of the Lord.” These physical forms that are sometimes referred to as angels and sometimes they are referred to as the Lord himself. Theophanies. Think of Moses in Exodus 33 asking to see God’s glory: “Let me see your glory.” And God promises Moses an experience of his goodness and an explanation of his name, but then he adds, “You cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.”
Jacob, in the wrestling match, with a theophanic angel this time, a theophany. He wrestles all night and he calls the place Peniel, which means “the face of God.” “For I have seen God’s face, and yet my life has been delivered.” Now, that raises a very interesting question: Whether God revealed his face to Jacob but did not reveal his face to Moses. And why is that the case? And some have suggested that what you had with Jacob was more like a Christophany than a theophany. In other words, with Jacob it was an appearance, a pre-incarnate appearance, of the second person of the Trinity. A pre-incarnation. A Christophany rather than a theophany. And therefore, what Jacob saw was not the essence of God, but what he saw was what people saw when they saw Jesus—Jesus who reflected the face of God, who “exegeted” the face of God perhaps.
Moses went up on the mountain, and the cloud covered the mountain. The glory of the LORD dwelt on Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days. And on the seventh day he called to Moses out of the midst of the cloud. Now the appearance of the glory of the Lord was like a devouring fire on the top of the mountain in the sight of the people of Israel. Moses entered the cloud and went up on the mountain. And Moses was on the mountain forty days and forty nights.
Exodus 24:15-18
Exodus 24:15-18
Attributes of God: Incorporeality Part 1
Traditional Christianity affirms that God is an immaterial, nonphysical reality. This is to say that God is formless or “without body.”[1] Christianity has historically opposed material conceptions…
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Journal of Theological Interpretation (2023) 17 (1): 42–58.
Bodies of God in the Bible? Divine Incorporeality, Divine Presence, and Revelation
Abstract. This article will address some claims in recent biblical scholarship about God having a body. This will involve first considering what recent advocates of divine embodiment in the Bible are actually asserting. The following section will then examine the conception of a body that one...
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This article will address some claims in recent biblical scholarship about God having a body. This will involve first considering what recent advocates of divine embodiment in the Bible are actually asserting. The following section will then examine the conception of a body that one finds in Aristotle and some Christian authors like Thomas Aquinas in order to discern whether or in what sense proponents of divine embodiment in the Bible in fact present something contrary to the doctrine of divine incorporeality. There, the article also offers a few thoughts on why one might want to retain the doctrine of divine incorporeality and contend that one can maintain divine incorporeality while still making sense of the Bible’s corporeal or anthropomorphic descriptions of God.
You should read this sometime.
3rd Principle: God is Incorporeal
Shloshah-Asar Ikkarim, God is incorporeal and incomparable.
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Incorporeality | Yeshivat Har Etzion
If God had a body, what would it look like? Today, this question is almost too silly to be heretical.
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God Is Incorporeal, Immutable, Invisible, Glorious School of Theology Series: Lecture 8 | Christian Library
God from the McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia.
God from the McClintock and Strong Biblical Cyclopedia.
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(1) God has no physical form.
12 “Then the Lord spoke to you from the midst of the fire; you heard the sound of words, but you saw no form—only a voice” (Deuteronomy 4:12).
37 “And the Father who sent Me, He has borne witness of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form” (John 5:37).
Both the Old Testament and the New indicate to us that God has no form, that is, God has no physical body.
(2) God is spirit.
The reason for this is explained by our Lord in His words to the woman at the well:
24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth” (John 4:24).
First, it is clear that God is spirit. John 4:24 clearly states this fact. Both Colossians 1:15 and 1 Timothy 1:17 refer to God as the "invisible God." This fact is also highlighted in the Old Testament command to not make anything in God's image (Exodus 20:4). In addition, it is clear that God is Creator of all things (Genesis 1:1) and must therefore be much greater than what any physical body can contain. First Kings 8:27 affirms, "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you."
Even so, God the Father is often spoken of in Scripture as having human body parts in a figurative manner. Deuteronomy 33:27 mentions the arms of God, yet it is clear the writer did not intend to communicate that God has physical arms like people do. Genesis 6:8 mentions the eyes of the Lord. Exodus 6:6 speaks of God's outstretched arm. Second Kings 19:16 mentions the ear of the Lord and the eyes of the Lord. In each of these cases, these body parts are used figuratively in reference to an attribute or concept regarding God rather than a physical body part.
The Bible also shares several times when God revealed Himself physically. Some of these occasions include His physical presence with the Israelites in the wilderness or God being represented in a human form (called theophanies) as in Genesis 12:7 and Genesis 18.
Most notably, Jesus Christ, the second Person of the Triune God, took on the limitations of a human body. John 1:14 teaches, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." During His earthly life, Jesus revealed God in human form as part of God's divine plan to offer salvation to all people (John 3:16).
Again, both Scripture and reason affirm that the God of all creation cannot be limited to a physical body. This is another reason that the coming of Jesus is so significant. He was the one way God has provided to most clearly reveal God to humanity, coming to this world in a human body with its limitations.
Even so, God the Father is often spoken of in Scripture as having human body parts in a figurative manner. Deuteronomy 33:27 mentions the arms of God, yet it is clear the writer did not intend to communicate that God has physical arms like people do. Genesis 6:8 mentions the eyes of the Lord. Exodus 6:6 speaks of God's outstretched arm. Second Kings 19:16 mentions the ear of the Lord and the eyes of the Lord. In each of these cases, these body parts are used figuratively in reference to an attribute or concept regarding God rather than a physical body part.
The Bible also shares several times when God revealed Himself physically. Some of these occasions include His physical presence with the Israelites in the wilderness or God being represented in a human form (called theophanies) as in Genesis 12:7 and Genesis 18.
Most notably, Jesus Christ, the second Person of the Triune God, took on the limitations of a human body. John 1:14 teaches, "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." During His earthly life, Jesus revealed God in human form as part of God's divine plan to offer salvation to all people (John 3:16).
Again, both Scripture and reason affirm that the God of all creation cannot be limited to a physical body. This is another reason that the coming of Jesus is so significant. He was the one way God has provided to most clearly reveal God to humanity, coming to this world in a human body with its limitations.
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