Proselyting Techniques of Mormon Missionaries
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- Freewill Baptists back then believed that Adam fell upwards.
-Magic and Masonry reflected by JS "translation" AKA automatic writing via using a seerstone in a hat also known as Crystal gazing or scrying.
Here are the connections between Smith's "Translation" of the Book of Mormon and the data behind automatic writing.
1.) Some of the Authors within "Automatic Writing" seemed to have a serious lack of education
2.) Their writings contained details that indicated antiquity that the author couldn't of known ( [O]ne time while he [Joseph] was translating he stopped suddenly, pale as a sheet, and said, 'Emma, did Jerusalem have walls around it?' When I answered 'Yes,' he replied 'Oh! I was afraid I had been deceived.' He had such limited knowledge of history at that time that he did not even know that Jerusalem was surrounded by walls.")
3.) Able to discern things about the foreign lands and times that had a degree of accuracy to them.
4.) many "Automatic Writing" examples contained significantly less anachronisms than the book of Mormon
5.) "Automatic Writing" authors used a peep stone or crystal
6.) "Automatic Writing" authors moved away from a peep stone which they needed at first to being able to translate without one.
7.) Many of the significant "Automatic Writing" productions were Christian themed
8.) Some contained the voice of Christ
9.) Many were done by dictation
10.) At Least one stated its purpose was to answer three big questions "Where did we come from", "Why are we here", and "Where are we going"?
11.) Many of these productions were significantly longer than the "Book of Mormon".
12.) many proposed to claim they were being given by voices of ancient people from antiquity
13.) several "Automatic Writing" authors were able to stop and take breaks and pick up exactly where they left off without being reminded where they were. ( According to Emma, when she and Joseph were interrupted during his translating, Joseph would later resume on the very sentence from which he had left off )
14.) numerous others found the ""Automatic Writing" to be believable
15.) numerous people found the "automatic writing" productions to be of a high quality of writing. For example Jane Eyre is believed to have been written this way.
16.) numerous others found some of the ""Automatic Writing" productions to be inspiring and worth basing one's lived spirituality on.
17.) some of the ""Automatic Writing" productions were written to a world audience with revealed knowledge important to Salvation
18.) some of the ""Automatic Writing" productions seemed to pass the tests of appearing to be from antiquity and contained little to no contemporary material. (compare to the amount of 19th Century material in the Book of Mormon).
19.) much of the "Automatic Writing" productions claim to be channeling a divine source. (Gift and Power of God)
20.) Many "Automatic Writing" productions seemed to be beyond the competency of the person performing the "Automatic Writing".
21.) some "Automatic Writing" productions were not only done by dictation but also had many words spelled out specifically
22.) many "Automatic Writing" productions contained really deep gems that were thought provoking. Poems, and passages that seem inspiring generally.
23.) reading "Automatic Writing" productions caused awe and wonder in their readers. (they essentially felt the spirit reading them)
24.) many "Automatic Writing" productions get a ton of things onto paper quickly such as 5000 words in a single evening ( Starting on April 7th, 1829, Joseph Smith began translating the Book of Mormon. He completed his translation on July 1st of that year—just 90 days! That makes for an average of about 8 pages per day. )
Hence Joseph Smith as an "Automatic Writer" makes incredible sense and has significant overlap and suggests that the Translation of the Book of Mormon is both NOT Unique, and NOT even that good compared to other examples of "Automatic Writing" such as these
-Magic and Masonry reflected by JS "translation" AKA automatic writing via using a seerstone in a hat also known as Crystal gazing or scrying.
Here are the connections between Smith's "Translation" of the Book of Mormon and the data behind automatic writing.
1.) Some of the Authors within "Automatic Writing" seemed to have a serious lack of education
2.) Their writings contained details that indicated antiquity that the author couldn't of known ( [O]ne time while he [Joseph] was translating he stopped suddenly, pale as a sheet, and said, 'Emma, did Jerusalem have walls around it?' When I answered 'Yes,' he replied 'Oh! I was afraid I had been deceived.' He had such limited knowledge of history at that time that he did not even know that Jerusalem was surrounded by walls.")
3.) Able to discern things about the foreign lands and times that had a degree of accuracy to them.
4.) many "Automatic Writing" examples contained significantly less anachronisms than the book of Mormon
5.) "Automatic Writing" authors used a peep stone or crystal
6.) "Automatic Writing" authors moved away from a peep stone which they needed at first to being able to translate without one.
7.) Many of the significant "Automatic Writing" productions were Christian themed
8.) Some contained the voice of Christ
9.) Many were done by dictation
10.) At Least one stated its purpose was to answer three big questions "Where did we come from", "Why are we here", and "Where are we going"?
11.) Many of these productions were significantly longer than the "Book of Mormon".
12.) many proposed to claim they were being given by voices of ancient people from antiquity
13.) several "Automatic Writing" authors were able to stop and take breaks and pick up exactly where they left off without being reminded where they were. ( According to Emma, when she and Joseph were interrupted during his translating, Joseph would later resume on the very sentence from which he had left off )
14.) numerous others found the ""Automatic Writing" to be believable
15.) numerous people found the "automatic writing" productions to be of a high quality of writing. For example Jane Eyre is believed to have been written this way.
16.) numerous others found some of the ""Automatic Writing" productions to be inspiring and worth basing one's lived spirituality on.
17.) some of the ""Automatic Writing" productions were written to a world audience with revealed knowledge important to Salvation
18.) some of the ""Automatic Writing" productions seemed to pass the tests of appearing to be from antiquity and contained little to no contemporary material. (compare to the amount of 19th Century material in the Book of Mormon).
19.) much of the "Automatic Writing" productions claim to be channeling a divine source. (Gift and Power of God)
20.) Many "Automatic Writing" productions seemed to be beyond the competency of the person performing the "Automatic Writing".
21.) some "Automatic Writing" productions were not only done by dictation but also had many words spelled out specifically
22.) many "Automatic Writing" productions contained really deep gems that were thought provoking. Poems, and passages that seem inspiring generally.
23.) reading "Automatic Writing" productions caused awe and wonder in their readers. (they essentially felt the spirit reading them)
24.) many "Automatic Writing" productions get a ton of things onto paper quickly such as 5000 words in a single evening ( Starting on April 7th, 1829, Joseph Smith began translating the Book of Mormon. He completed his translation on July 1st of that year—just 90 days! That makes for an average of about 8 pages per day. )
Hence Joseph Smith as an "Automatic Writer" makes incredible sense and has significant overlap and suggests that the Translation of the Book of Mormon is both NOT Unique, and NOT even that good compared to other examples of "Automatic Writing" such as these
Automatic Writing/Bill Davis's Visions of Seer Stone + Gospel Tangents - Mormon History Podcast
We’re continuing our conversation with Dr. Brian Hales on Book of Mormon authorship. What are some naturalistic explanations are there to explain how Joseph
gospeltangents.com
Joseph Smith’s Formal Education
Joseph Smith grew up in a family that valued education. Both his father, Joseph Smith Sr., and grandmother, Lydia Mack, had taught school. Their academic involvement demonstrated their devotion to learning, probably making education a priority in their homes.
Possible Tutoring by Hyrum When Age Seven
Besides Joseph Smith’s formal attendance at local schools, it is possible his older brother Hyrum supplemented his learning through personal tutoring. Lucy Mack Smith, their mother, recalled that while living in Lebanon, New Hampshire, in 1811, eleven-year-old Hyrum attended the “academy in Hanover.”6 “The academy, or Moor’s Charity School, was associated with Dartmouth College in Hanover, a few miles north of the Smith home and on the same side of the Connecticut River,” writes Jeffrey S. O’Driscoll, Hyrum Smith’s biographer. “Lucy did not explain why Hyrum was chosen to attend, but it may have been simply because his cousin of about the same age, Stephen Mack, was already a student there.”7
Hyrum returned to the Smith home in 1813 sick with typhus, which all family members contracted. Joseph subsequently experienced a chronic knee infection requiring advanced surgical treatment administered by Dr. Nathan Smith of the nearby Dartmouth Medical School.8 Afterward, Hyrum “sat beside him almost incessantly day and night.”9 It is possible that Hyrum, then thirteen, tutored his seven-year-old little brother Joseph for several months at that time.10 The next year, Joseph left for Salem, Massachusetts, to convalesce at the home of his uncle Jessee Smith.11
At Least Five District School Terms
Between 1808 and 1826, Joseph Smith attended local common schools in five or six areas.12 District schools held two terms each year (summer and winter), and his attendance during at least one term can be documented in Royalton, Vermont (1809–1812); West Lebanon, New Hampshire (1812–1815); and Palmyra (1817–1821), Manchester (1821–1825), and South Bainbridge (1825–1826), New York.13 (See Figure 1.) Researcher William L. Davis observes that Joseph may have been eligible to attend up to twenty-two terms between 1809 and 1826. Although the exact number he attended continues to be debated, Davis speculates that Joseph Smith’s “overall estimated time … in formal education” (beyond the five terms documented in the historical record) was “equivalent of approximately seven full school years,” or fourteen terms.14
Several of Joseph Smith’s contemporaries remember attending school with him, but some reported he did not always take advantage of educational opportunities. Pomeroy Tucker accused Joseph of “hunting and fishing … and idly lounging around the stores and shops in the village … instead of going to school like other boys.”15 Perry Benjamin Pierce also wrote: “The boys grew up without desire for education … ‘None of them Smith boys ever went to school when they could get out of it.’”16 Joseph’s younger brother William reported his personal experience, which may have approximated Joseph’s, of “limited opportunities for acquiring an education.” William added: “being like most youths, more fond of play than study, I made but little use of the opportunities I did have.”17
District Schools in the 1820s America
Regarding Joseph Smith’s training to become the author of the Book of Mormon, the precise number of terms he spent in district school classrooms may be less important because the curriculum touched only minimally the skills authors usually seek to develop. In their book, A History of Education in American Culture, R. Freeman Butts and Lawrence A. Cremin explain:
The typical one-room district school was usually attended by a variety of age groups, running all the way from children of four or five to adolescents in their teens … The early district schoolroom was most often a picture of a teacher seated at a central desk with one child after another approaching, reciting from text or memory, being rewarded with a smile or a blow depending on the effectiveness of the recitation, and returning to his seat.18
As pointed out, the curriculum for each student did not always build upon the previous year’s learning. “One handicap to effective teaching was the fact that it might happen no two pupils were equally advanced in their studies.”19
Also, the quality of instruction in district schools varied widely, in part because the schoolmasters’ teaching credentials in some schools may have been little more than “see one, do one, teach one.” In 1826, James G. Carter, a member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives, reported: “The teachers of the primary summer schools have rarely had any education beyond what they have acquired in the very schools where they begin to teach.”20 Butts and Cremin note: “Little or no training was thought necessary for the post of teacher.”21 In his book, Old-Time Schools and School Books, author Clifton Johnson agreed:
Joseph Smith grew up in a family that valued education. Both his father, Joseph Smith Sr., and grandmother, Lydia Mack, had taught school. Their academic involvement demonstrated their devotion to learning, probably making education a priority in their homes.
Possible Tutoring by Hyrum When Age Seven
Besides Joseph Smith’s formal attendance at local schools, it is possible his older brother Hyrum supplemented his learning through personal tutoring. Lucy Mack Smith, their mother, recalled that while living in Lebanon, New Hampshire, in 1811, eleven-year-old Hyrum attended the “academy in Hanover.”6 “The academy, or Moor’s Charity School, was associated with Dartmouth College in Hanover, a few miles north of the Smith home and on the same side of the Connecticut River,” writes Jeffrey S. O’Driscoll, Hyrum Smith’s biographer. “Lucy did not explain why Hyrum was chosen to attend, but it may have been simply because his cousin of about the same age, Stephen Mack, was already a student there.”7
Hyrum returned to the Smith home in 1813 sick with typhus, which all family members contracted. Joseph subsequently experienced a chronic knee infection requiring advanced surgical treatment administered by Dr. Nathan Smith of the nearby Dartmouth Medical School.8 Afterward, Hyrum “sat beside him almost incessantly day and night.”9 It is possible that Hyrum, then thirteen, tutored his seven-year-old little brother Joseph for several months at that time.10 The next year, Joseph left for Salem, Massachusetts, to convalesce at the home of his uncle Jessee Smith.11
At Least Five District School Terms
Between 1808 and 1826, Joseph Smith attended local common schools in five or six areas.12 District schools held two terms each year (summer and winter), and his attendance during at least one term can be documented in Royalton, Vermont (1809–1812); West Lebanon, New Hampshire (1812–1815); and Palmyra (1817–1821), Manchester (1821–1825), and South Bainbridge (1825–1826), New York.13 (See Figure 1.) Researcher William L. Davis observes that Joseph may have been eligible to attend up to twenty-two terms between 1809 and 1826. Although the exact number he attended continues to be debated, Davis speculates that Joseph Smith’s “overall estimated time … in formal education” (beyond the five terms documented in the historical record) was “equivalent of approximately seven full school years,” or fourteen terms.14
Several of Joseph Smith’s contemporaries remember attending school with him, but some reported he did not always take advantage of educational opportunities. Pomeroy Tucker accused Joseph of “hunting and fishing … and idly lounging around the stores and shops in the village … instead of going to school like other boys.”15 Perry Benjamin Pierce also wrote: “The boys grew up without desire for education … ‘None of them Smith boys ever went to school when they could get out of it.’”16 Joseph’s younger brother William reported his personal experience, which may have approximated Joseph’s, of “limited opportunities for acquiring an education.” William added: “being like most youths, more fond of play than study, I made but little use of the opportunities I did have.”17
District Schools in the 1820s America
Regarding Joseph Smith’s training to become the author of the Book of Mormon, the precise number of terms he spent in district school classrooms may be less important because the curriculum touched only minimally the skills authors usually seek to develop. In their book, A History of Education in American Culture, R. Freeman Butts and Lawrence A. Cremin explain:
The typical one-room district school was usually attended by a variety of age groups, running all the way from children of four or five to adolescents in their teens … The early district schoolroom was most often a picture of a teacher seated at a central desk with one child after another approaching, reciting from text or memory, being rewarded with a smile or a blow depending on the effectiveness of the recitation, and returning to his seat.18
As pointed out, the curriculum for each student did not always build upon the previous year’s learning. “One handicap to effective teaching was the fact that it might happen no two pupils were equally advanced in their studies.”19
Also, the quality of instruction in district schools varied widely, in part because the schoolmasters’ teaching credentials in some schools may have been little more than “see one, do one, teach one.” In 1826, James G. Carter, a member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives, reported: “The teachers of the primary summer schools have rarely had any education beyond what they have acquired in the very schools where they begin to teach.”20 Butts and Cremin note: “Little or no training was thought necessary for the post of teacher.”21 In his book, Old-Time Schools and School Books, author Clifton Johnson agreed:
Joseph Smith’s Education and Intellect as Described in Documentary Sources | The Interpreter Foundation
Abstract: Although Joseph Smith has been credited with “approximately seven full school years” of district schooling, further research supports that his education consisted of basic instruction in “reading, writing and the ground rules of arithmetic” comprising “less than two years of formal schooli
Martin Harris, having written some one hundred and sixteen pages for Joseph, asked permission of my son to carry the manuscript home with him, in order to let his wife read it...
Joseph... inquired of the Lord to know if he might do as Martin Harris had requested, but was refused.... Joseph inquired again, but received a second refusal. Still, Martin Harris persisted as before, and Joseph applied again, but the last answer was not like the two former ones. In this the Lord permitted Martin Harris to take the manuscript home with him... Mr. Harris had been absent nearly three weeks, and Joseph had received no intelligence whatever from him... we saw him [Harris] walking with a slow and measured tread towards the house... Harris pressed his hands upon his temples, and cried out, in a tone of deep anguish, "Oh, I have lost my soul! I have lost my soul!"
Joseph... sprang from the table, exclaiming, "Martin, have you lost that manuscript?..."
"Yes, it is gone," replied Martin, "and I know not where."
"Oh, my God!" said Joseph, clinching his hands. "All is lost! all is lost! What shall I do? I have sinned..." He wept and groaned, and walked the floor continually... what could I say to comfort him, when he saw all the family in the same situation of mind as himself, for sobs and groans, and the most bitter lamentations filled the house. However, Joseph was more distressed than the rest... he continued, pacing back and forth, meantime weeping and grieving, until about sunset...
The manuscript has never been found; and there is no doubt that Mrs. Harris took it from the drawer... (Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet, 1853, pp. 117,118,120-123)
Joseph... inquired of the Lord to know if he might do as Martin Harris had requested, but was refused.... Joseph inquired again, but received a second refusal. Still, Martin Harris persisted as before, and Joseph applied again, but the last answer was not like the two former ones. In this the Lord permitted Martin Harris to take the manuscript home with him... Mr. Harris had been absent nearly three weeks, and Joseph had received no intelligence whatever from him... we saw him [Harris] walking with a slow and measured tread towards the house... Harris pressed his hands upon his temples, and cried out, in a tone of deep anguish, "Oh, I have lost my soul! I have lost my soul!"
Joseph... sprang from the table, exclaiming, "Martin, have you lost that manuscript?..."
"Yes, it is gone," replied Martin, "and I know not where."
"Oh, my God!" said Joseph, clinching his hands. "All is lost! all is lost! What shall I do? I have sinned..." He wept and groaned, and walked the floor continually... what could I say to comfort him, when he saw all the family in the same situation of mind as himself, for sobs and groans, and the most bitter lamentations filled the house. However, Joseph was more distressed than the rest... he continued, pacing back and forth, meantime weeping and grieving, until about sunset...
The manuscript has never been found; and there is no doubt that Mrs. Harris took it from the drawer... (Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet, 1853, pp. 117,118,120-123)
-- Amulets & words to work magic.
--- Charm around nick to heal.
--- Some of his family were Masons.
--- B.H. Roberts JS family fortune telling, warlocks, withches.
--- Fayette Lapham confirms JS dad used seer stone, peepstones in hat to locate burried treasure, money digging.
--- An affidvit by David Stafford states JS was involved with Animal Sacrafice related to money digging, color of animals were black to evil spirits, white to good spirits.
--- JS's death had a Jupiter tailsman, related to mystical cabalism.
--- Legends of Enoch
--- Elcusinian mysteries relates to LDS temple rituals.
--- Charm around nick to heal.
--- Some of his family were Masons.
--- B.H. Roberts JS family fortune telling, warlocks, withches.
--- Fayette Lapham confirms JS dad used seer stone, peepstones in hat to locate burried treasure, money digging.
--- An affidvit by David Stafford states JS was involved with Animal Sacrafice related to money digging, color of animals were black to evil spirits, white to good spirits.
--- JS's death had a Jupiter tailsman, related to mystical cabalism.
--- Legends of Enoch
--- Elcusinian mysteries relates to LDS temple rituals.
-- J.S. studied with Alexander Neibauer who had a large library on Jewish Mysticism
Deuteronomy 18:9-14
Easy-to-Read Version
Israel Must Not Live Like Other Nations
9 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, don’t learn to do the terrible things the people of the other nations there do. 10 Don’t sacrifice your sons or daughters in the fires on your altars. Don’t try to learn what will happen in the future by talking to a fortuneteller or by going to a magician, a witch, or a sorcerer. 11 Don’t let anyone try to put magic spells on other people. Don’t let any of your people become a medium or a wizard. And no one should try to talk with someone who has died. 12 The Lord hates anyone who does these things. And because these other nations do these terrible things, the Lord your God will force them out of the land as you enter it. 13 You must be faithful to the Lord your God, never doing anything he considers wrong.
The Lord’s Special Prophet
14 “You will force the other nations out of your land. They listen to people who use magic and try to tell the future. But the Lord your God will not let you do these things.
Deuteronomy 18:9-14
Easy-to-Read Version
Israel Must Not Live Like Other Nations
9 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, don’t learn to do the terrible things the people of the other nations there do. 10 Don’t sacrifice your sons or daughters in the fires on your altars. Don’t try to learn what will happen in the future by talking to a fortuneteller or by going to a magician, a witch, or a sorcerer. 11 Don’t let anyone try to put magic spells on other people. Don’t let any of your people become a medium or a wizard. And no one should try to talk with someone who has died. 12 The Lord hates anyone who does these things. And because these other nations do these terrible things, the Lord your God will force them out of the land as you enter it. 13 You must be faithful to the Lord your God, never doing anything he considers wrong.
The Lord’s Special Prophet
14 “You will force the other nations out of your land. They listen to people who use magic and try to tell the future. But the Lord your God will not let you do these things.
Something positive about LDS missionaries who are not really Elders:
lifeafter.org
167 Missionary Rules | Life After Ministries
3. Missionary Conduct
This section describes missionary standards of behavior and Christlike qualities you are expected to practice and develop during your mission as you become a more dedicated disciple of Jesus Christ.
www.churchofjesuschrist.org
doctrine and covenants 42:79
And it shall come to pass, that if any persons among you shall akill they shall be delivered up and dealt with according to the laws of the land; for remember that he hath no forgiveness; and it shall be proved according to the laws of the land.
See Mormon Doctrine pages 520, 758 appartenly those who murder can not get saved in this life???? <puzzled>
And it shall come to pass, that if any persons among you shall akill they shall be delivered up and dealt with according to the laws of the land; for remember that he hath no forgiveness; and it shall be proved according to the laws of the land.
See Mormon Doctrine pages 520, 758 appartenly those who murder can not get saved in this life???? <puzzled>
sources:
JS and Kabbalah dialogue 27 no 3 Fall
John L. Brooke The Refiners Fire
Wesley P. Walters Human Origins
-- JS joined Methodist Church
JS and Kabbalah dialogue 27 no 3 Fall
John L. Brooke The Refiners Fire
Wesley P. Walters Human Origins
-- JS joined Methodist Church
With my whole heart, mind, might, and soul. I'm not remotely perfect about it, but I do try to keep my entire life/being consecrated for Him, doing as He would have me do. Sometimes that's reaching out to another person for help. Sometimes having more patience with something. Sometimes just combatting my inward laziness to get stuff done. Etc. He's here to empower me.
Remembering the Wives
of
Joseph Smith
BIOGRAPHIES
PDF version (printable, saveable)
Wife
Date
Age
Husband*
Emma Hale
Fanny Alger
Lucinda Morgan Harris
Louisa Beaman
Zina Huntington Jacobs
Presendia Huntington Buell
Agnes Coolbrith
Sylvia Sessions Lyon
Mary Rollins Lightner
Patty Bartlett Sessions
Marinda Johnson Hyde
Elizabeth Davis Durfee
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland
Delcena Johnson
Eliza R. Snow
Sarah Ann Whitney
Martha McBride Knight
Ruth Vose Sayers
Flora Ann Woodworth
Emily Dow Partridge
Eliza Maria Partridge
Almera Johnson
Lucy Walker
Sarah Lawrence
Maria Lawrence
Helen Mar Kimball
Hanna Ells
Elvira Cowles Holmes
Rhoda Richards
Desdemona Fullmer
Olive Frost
Melissa Lott
Nancy Winchester
Fanny Young
josephsmithspolygamy.org
of
Joseph Smith
BIOGRAPHIES
PDF version (printable, saveable)
Wife
Date
Age
Husband*
Emma Hale
Fanny Alger
Lucinda Morgan Harris
Louisa Beaman
Zina Huntington Jacobs
Presendia Huntington Buell
Agnes Coolbrith
Sylvia Sessions Lyon
Mary Rollins Lightner
Patty Bartlett Sessions
Marinda Johnson Hyde
Elizabeth Davis Durfee
Sarah Kingsley Cleveland
Delcena Johnson
Eliza R. Snow
Sarah Ann Whitney
Martha McBride Knight
Ruth Vose Sayers
Flora Ann Woodworth
Emily Dow Partridge
Eliza Maria Partridge
Almera Johnson
Lucy Walker
Sarah Lawrence
Maria Lawrence
Helen Mar Kimball
Hanna Ells
Elvira Cowles Holmes
Rhoda Richards
Desdemona Fullmer
Olive Frost
Melissa Lott
Nancy Winchester
Fanny Young
Biographies of Joseph's Plural Wives - Joseph Smith's Polygamy
Nothing but a firm desire to keep the commandments of the Lord could have induced a girl to marry in that way. I thought my trials were very severe in […]
josephsmithspolygamy.org
TheRootOfDavid
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What would you think if someone told you, that you do not know Christ?
The Wives of Joseph Smith - Lucinda Morgan Harris
www.wivesofjosephsmith.org
The Wives of Joseph Smith - Zina Huntington Jacobs
www.wivesofjosephsmith.org
The Wives of Joseph Smith - Presendia Huntington Buell
www.wivesofjosephsmith.org
The Wives of Joseph Smith - Sylvia Sessions Lyon
www.wivesofjosephsmith.org
The Wives of Joseph Smith - Marinda Johnson Hyde
www.wivesofjosephsmith.org
The Wives of Joseph Smith - Elvira Cowles Holmes
www.wivesofjosephsmith.org
Fanny Alger - Joseph Smith's Polygamy
Fanny Alger was Joseph Smith's first plural wife. It was a short marriage that ended badly. She left the state, married quickly, and never rejoined the Latter-day Saints.
josephsmithspolygamy.org
Flora Ann Woodworth - Joseph Smith's Polygamy
Flora Ann Woodworth was 16 when she was sealed to Joseph Smith. After a fight with Emma, she married Carlos Gove and likely divorced Joseph.
josephsmithspolygamy.org
Nancy Maria Winchester - Joseph Smith's Polygamy
Nancy was sealed to Joseph Smith when she was 14 or 15. She was his second youngest bride by 10 days. No evidence of conjugality.
josephsmithspolygamy.org
TheRootOfDavid
New Member
Is more than one wife a blessing from the Lord?The Wives of Joseph Smith - Lucinda Morgan Harris
www.wivesofjosephsmith.orgThe Wives of Joseph Smith - Zina Huntington Jacobs
www.wivesofjosephsmith.orgThe Wives of Joseph Smith - Presendia Huntington Buell
www.wivesofjosephsmith.orgThe Wives of Joseph Smith - Sylvia Sessions Lyon
www.wivesofjosephsmith.orgThe Wives of Joseph Smith - Marinda Johnson Hyde
www.wivesofjosephsmith.orgThe Wives of Joseph Smith - Elvira Cowles Holmes
www.wivesofjosephsmith.orgFanny Alger - Joseph Smith's Polygamy
Fanny Alger was Joseph Smith's first plural wife. It was a short marriage that ended badly. She left the state, married quickly, and never rejoined the Latter-day Saints.Flora Ann Woodworth - Joseph Smith's Polygamy
Flora Ann Woodworth was 16 when she was sealed to Joseph Smith. After a fight with Emma, she married Carlos Gove and likely divorced Joseph.Nancy Maria Winchester - Joseph Smith's Polygamy
Nancy was sealed to Joseph Smith when she was 14 or 15. She was his second youngest bride by 10 days. No evidence of conjugality.
I know that I know Christ. He is my King and Savior, the very center of my world.
When some other human comes up and says "you don't know Christ" or "you follow the wrong Christ", honestly I find that such questions are prompted by ignorance or misinformation. In best scenarios, the person is willing to have a conversations with me and I'm able to share how I do love Christ, and answer any questions. In worst scenarios, the person just wants to continue rattling off their misinformation and has zero actual interest in me or my relationship with Christ. They don't want to listen at all, and the best option is simply wish them well and say a prayer for them.
TheRootOfDavid
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I will put it to the test.
If you know Jesus, you will know His favorite color.
What is it? You will not be able to guess it.
Knowing someone doesn't equate to always having the best book knowledge about them.
To use a real life example: my daughter was 7 before she figured out what my first name is. Does her not even knowing my name mean we didn't have a relationship for 7 years? Obviously not!
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