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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Avalon1, Jul 2, 2020.

  1. Bobby Jo

    Bobby Jo Well-Known Member

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    So you read 20:4-6?

    ... and you didn't find the THREE citations of: THOUSAND YEARS?


    It appears to me that by denying what this Book depicts, you've just denied your entry to heaven:

    Rev. 22:19 and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.


    So enjoy your new destiny. [Now on IGNORE!]
    Bobby Jo
     
  2. JunChosen

    JunChosen Active Member

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    I feel so sorry to those so called Christians who resort to anger within themselves who thinks they are well versed in the things of God. Therefore, they reject any other studies than that of their own.

    Reminds of Proverbs 14:12 which reads: "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

    I on the other hand is a loving person ready to forgive those who wronged me.

    BTW, to those who do not know, God spoke in parables and a parable He did not speak to them. By this declaration the Bible becomes:

    1. A historical parable.
    2. A moral parable.
    3. A spiritual parable.

    To God Be The Glory
     
  3. Jay Ross

    Jay Ross Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps you need to go to the actual Hebrew text to check if the above is correct. It is my view that the above translation is wrong and as such it gives the wrong impression of what God had entered into with Abraham.

    My paraphrase of this verse in line with what is found in the Hebrew Text for this verse, would read along these lines: - "And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the earth/land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for a possession for a prolonged period of time which ends at the vanishing point of this time which beyond their ability to envisage, an everlasting possession: and I will be their God."

    The understanding I have is very different to what the translators have presented. Abraham received no part in the possession of the land of Canaan while he lived.

    Shalom
     
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  4. Keraz

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    The prophesies in Hosea 6:2 and Luke 13:32, both say there will be 2 'days', then another one 'day', when Jesus will receive His reward and His people will live in His presence.
    We are given a formula by 2 witnesses; Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8, of how one day to God in heaven is equal to 1000 years earth time.
    Therefore those 'days' refer to heavenly days, which mean 1000 earth years. This is proved by how Hosea and Jesus could not have meant actual days there. We have experienced [nearly] the 2000 years since Jesus first Advent. We now look forward to the final 1000 years, when Jesus will reign as King over the earth. As mentioned six times in Rev 20.
    Do you trust Doctors, mathematicians, geologists, etc? People who study real things and know how they work.
    Astronomers study things like the sun, they have seen what it can do and they know it could blast our civilization out of existence.
    Bible Prophecy says that won't happen, the earth and mankind will continue forever. But the Lord will use the sun to destroy His enemies, as over 100 prophesies describe. Disbelief of this fact, may result in a serious disadvantage for you.
     
  5. JunChosen

    JunChosen Active Member

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    That is true and this is the reason Abraham never bought a parcel of land, except for the burial piece for his wife Sarah. Abraham knew that God will destroy this present land of Canaan (earth) and will create a new heaven and new earth, as per Rev 21:1 for an everlasting possession. And BTW, Abraham's seed in Genesis 17:8 is the Lord Jesus.

    To God Be The Glory
     
  6. Randy Kluth

    Randy Kluth Well-Known Member

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    Not at all. Those of us who are saved, who will "never die," who will "go directly to the Lord when we die" will still rise in the resurrection. Our spirits go to be with the Lord upon death--not our bodies.

    Our bodies remain in the grave. Resurrection is not the resuscitation of our old, corrupted bodies, which have dissolved back into the environment.

    No, resurrection means the restoration of a new body for the same old person, because our spirits always remain alive with Christ. At the resurrection, we will acquire completely new bodies, but bodies nevertheless that will belong to us.

    Hence, it is called a "resurrection" not because it is a resuscitation of the old body, but only because the same person reacquires a new body for himself/herself. It is a whole new body, created in the clouds where Christ is before he returns.

    The spirits of the departed saints are already with Christ in heaven. Only those "alive and remaining" until the coming of the Lord will be caught up to heaven, and yet not immortalized until the departed saints are brought together with them to be immortalized as the same time.
     
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  7. Randy Kluth

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    Are you serious? Where in Scriptures are we told that Satan was bound and thrown into a pit for a thousand years when Jesus went to the cross? On the contrary, we are told that Satan is still roaming around in the present age, and will empower Antichrist fully at the end of this age.

    To deny that Jesus reigns for a thousand years is to deny what Rev 20 explicitly says. And we are told not to excise anything from that book! Have you no fear of God?
     
  8. Rocky Wiley

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    The possibility is that you could be correct, we will never die and when Jesus takes the tares and burns them we will likely return to earth to be with him. It is possible, even though it will be a glorified body, it could be in the likeness we had previously.
     
  9. Keraz

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    Randy is not correct.
    Nowhere in the Bible does it say anyone will become immortal before the GWT Judgment, AFTER the Millennium.
     
  10. Rocky Wiley

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    1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
    1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
    1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
    1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
    1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
    1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

    Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
    Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
    Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
    Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

    I feel that revelation is all about those that lived under the law and not future. It ended when the temple was destroyed.

    In all of the above there isn't a time mentioned. When Jesus comes there is no destruction of earth just taking the devil and his children and burn them. The harvest mentioned above.
     
  11. JunChosen

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    It's there right in front of you...Rev 20:2-3.

     
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    "Immediately after the tribulation (Great Tribulation) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

    This is language to indicate the universe is being destroyed! And, elsewhere in Scripture we are told God will create a new heaven and a new earth.

    Words underlined and in parenthesis are for emphasis.

    To God Be The Glory
     
  13. Rocky Wiley

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    Heaven and Earth in the old testament was speaking of the temple where man and God met. If one reads 'The Wars of the Jews' they would see how terrible those wars were, especially in Jerusalem and the temple. In fact Jesus told his disciples when they saw the temple surrounded to get away from Jerusalem.

    I may be one of the few that see the parable of the wheat and tears as what will happen in our life time. Not bad at all for Christians.
     
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    I've never read "The Wars of the Jews" but all wars are evil. Wasn't the temple destroyed in A.D. 70?

    I don't think you got the gist of the parable of the Wheat and Tares.

    To God Be The Glory
     
  15. Timtofly

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    The last 1990 years was not the binding of the strong man. It was the restraining. The Holy Spirit prevented, but did not bind. The next 1000 years is the binding, and Jesus will rule over the earth at that time Himself. There will be no physical conflict, not spiritual conflict. There has been both over the last 1990 years. Satan has not been bound, yet.
     
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    But the time it will happen is told to us in Revelation 20:11-15 and Revelation 21:1-7
    AFTER the Millennium. ONLY then is Death no more and people whose names are found in the Book of Life, will receive immortality.
    But it isn't; Jesus does not destroy the world that He has just come back to, to reign this time as King.
     
  17. Randy Kluth

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    No, there is nothing there about Jesus going to the cross. You're adding that, and we're told not to add to the words of that book!
     
  18. Rocky Wiley

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    The real problem is that Christians will not admit to the fact that Cain was the devils son, even though the scriptures say so

    Every since the temple was destroyed we have lived with tares and they have controlled the money system of this world, just as Jesus, in the temple, called them the money changers they are still at it.
     
  19. JunChosen

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    So is the word “Trinity” does not appear in Holy Writ never the less, the doctrine is clearly taught in both the Old and New Testaments. The words “omniscient” and “omnipresent” do not appear in the KJV of the Bible, and yet no serious Bible student will deny that the Scriptures do teach that God is omniscient and that He is omnipresent. That is He is all powerful and everywhere present.

    To God Be The Glory
     
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    And your comments above is your assessment of the Parable of the Wheat and Tares?

    As I've surmised you did not get the gist of the parable. You have a different setting from that of what Scripture declares. Your premise is incorrect. Try again.

    To God Be The Glory
     
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