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Question about John 12:40

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  1. verzanumi24

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    Are you saying that everyone will be saved in the end?:confused::confused::confused:
    No, not every human being will be saved (unfortunatly a few will still reject what God is offering them), but from what I have seen in the scriptures I believe that the vast majority will be saved.
     
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    No, not every human being will be saved (unfortunatly a few will still reject what God is offering them), but from what I have seen in the scriptures I believe that the vast majority will be saved.
    Then why does Jesus say narrow is the gate that leads to life and only a few find it?
     
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    Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
  4. verzanumi24

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    Then why does Jesus say narrow is the gate that leads to life and only a few find it?
    Well since God is only calling a few now, then it's not a wonder why only the few who find it. Those who are being called now, are called for a special purpose....which is to rule with Jesus on the earth over the nations, which means assisting Jesus in saving the nations.Saints will be given power over the nationsRevelation 2:26 (KJV) 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Here are a few sacripture showing that God will saved all nations after Jesus return.Psalms 86:9 (KJV) 9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. Isaiah 66:23 (KJV) 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isaiah 2:4 (KJV) 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Micah 4:3 (KJV) 3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Malachi 1:11 (KJV) 11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. Zechariah 14:16-21 (KJV) 16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts. Isaiah 19:21 (KJV) 21 And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it. Isaiah 19:22 (KJV) 22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them. Isaiah 19:24-25 (KJV) 24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: 25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
     
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    I hope this is helpful.[​IMG]Isaiah 6 (King James Version)Isaiah 6 1.In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.( 2 Kings 15:7; 2 chron 26:23. 2.Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. 3.And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. [Rev 4:8] 4.And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. [Rev 15:8] 5.Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. 6.Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: 7.And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged. 8.Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me. 9.And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. 10.Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. 11.Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate.isa 6:9-10.[ Matt 13:14-15; Mark 4:12; Luke 8:10 & John 12:40. Acts 28:26-27] 12.And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land. 13.But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.one person in 10 remaining in the land represents a new beginning for Gods people.
     
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    Well since God is only calling a few now, then it's not a wonder why only the few who find it. Those who are being called now, are called for a special purpose....which is to rule with Jesus on the earth over the nations, which means assisting Jesus in saving the nations.Saints will be given power over the nationsRevelation 2:26 (KJV) 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Here are a few sacripture showing that God will saved all nations after Jesus return.Psalms 86:9 (KJV) 9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. Isaiah 66:23 (KJV) 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Isaiah 2:4 (KJV) 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Micah 4:3 (KJV) 3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Malachi 1:11 (KJV) 11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts. Zechariah 14:16-21 (KJV) 16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts. Isaiah 19:21 (KJV) 21 And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it. Isaiah 19:22 (KJV) 22 And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them. Isaiah 19:24-25 (KJV) 24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land: 25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
    Your reply does not answer to my question. You are saying that most of us will be saved but Jesus is saying only a few find life which is everlasting life.Kriss, are you agreeing with V24 too? sounds like it.
     
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    Joyful, I hope you aren't taking a few meaning three souls shall find it. Are you?Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    Joyful, I hope you aren't taking a few meaning three souls shall find it. Are you?Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    My post is very simple and I don't understand your point and question. would you elaborate?thank you, hitomi
     
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    i believe, from what the scriptures i have read, that few will go the narrow. i take that quite literally=i may be wrong.a set in poker is 3.
     
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    i believe, from what the scriptures i have read, that few will go the narrow. i take that quite literally=i may be wrong.
    Yes, this one is literal.love, hitomi
     
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    i like john 3:16. does anyone ever go to the chat room in here or is that taboo?
     
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    Joyful, I hope you aren't taking a few meaning three souls shall find it. Are you?Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    My post is very simple and I don't understand your point and question. would you elaborate?thank you, hitomiMy comment was clear, when the scripture says...Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.Do you take that literally that a few shall find it meaning three souls shall find it?
     
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    how esle in the world can you take it but literally?jesus does not want to play games with our heads and puzzle us does he?and when did the world few become 3?if you have 8 billion, and you take 50 million from that=that is few, no?if you have 10 and you take 3 of that , is that not few?is 4 out of 10 few=i think 40% is failing, do not you?
     
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    Just a bit of child common sense.one = single, two = couple, few = three, several = seven (in short four or more)I am obviously quite aware of that when Yahshua save a few, it wasn't litterally three people shall find it, there is more than three souls that shall find it.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    man you go from literal to figurative at the speed of light!how you do that=us 3rd graders want to know how your switch works, when it kicks in, how you discern when to flip it?hope you really aint a jag!just kidding=ok from my websters dictionary=few=not many; a small number. but if you take all the people that have ever lived, including the neaderthals, and you say take a number like a billion=that is few, no?
     
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    Just a bit of child common sense.one = single, two = couple, few = three, several = seven (in short four or more)I am obviously quite aware of that when Yahshua save a few, it wasn't litterally three people shall find it, there is more than three souls that shall find it.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
    I am using common sense too. Jesus means "not a lot".love, hitomi
     
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    Your reply does not answer to my question. You are saying that most of us will be saved but Jesus is saying only a few find life which is everlasting life.Kriss, are you agreeing with V24 too? sounds like it.
    Apparently you don't understand the scriptures that I posted....let me explain. Only a few find it now (Jesus is calling a very few), but when Jesus returns He will open salvation to all nations.
     
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    Apparently you don't understand the scriptures that I posted....let me explain. Only a few find it now (Jesus is calling a very few), but when Jesus returns He will open salvation to all nations.
    Well, v24, we have to agree to disagree on this one. Overall Scrpiture is saying to be faithful until the end and this is not easy one to do; most people are not willing to do it. There is no second chance unless one have never heard the good news.good day,hitomi
     
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    Your reply does not answer to my question. You are saying that most of us will be saved but Jesus is saying only a few find life which is everlasting life.Kriss, are you agreeing with V24 too? sounds like it.
    I agreed with some of the first part of his posting but my gut tells me something is amiss here Just havent studied it much.
     
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    gone be lots and lots of folks burning in sheol?i did not go to church today=oops. i have now been around 6 times in one year=maybe 7=that is few to me.
     
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