Selene
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Sorry, Marksman. You guys make me laugh sometimes. Afterall, even your last post made me laugh because NOW you're claiming to speak in metaphors. LOL!!!!! :lol:
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Sorry, Marksman. You guys make me laugh sometimes. Afterall, even your last post made me laugh because NOW you're claiming to speak in metaphors. LOL!!!!! :lol:
That's just it. You want to hear explanations why Catholics don't obey God. That's it right there. There is no reason not to obey God.
As for you okaying bowing to statues---that is going against what God says to do.
If you don't obey God's Word, and you make excuses why you and Catholics don't---then I do see your heart.
And who are you to judge me, then call me judgemental?
The Truth gives us a sound mind. Selene sure is showing that she is becoming a complete and utter basket case.
marksman
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I am still waiting for answers to all these questions....
1. And where in scripture does it say to pray to the Holy Spirit? Just a straight forward answer of specific verses would be appreciated, not some waffle about, this that and the other.
2. That wouldn't be any chance your way would it, so like the rcc which has its people saying the same thing over and over and over again. And please don't say they don't. I have been in enough catholic meetings to know that they do.
3. Are you saying we should follow the teaching of scripture?
4. But you claimed all these saints are alive in heaven already. If that is the case, why do they need to be resurrected back to life?
5. And how do you imitate Christ?
6. What has the second death got to do with what you are saying? You are just making it up as you go along.
7. Where does it say in scripture that God approves of denominations?
8. Chapter and verse please for what you are claiming here?
9. Sorry, I don't have Cahters in my bible. Is that the catholic version?
10. How do you know he is a better man than me? I would like some irrefutable evidence please. Otherwise retract the statement.
11. Since when has a dictionary been a commentary on the bible?
12. And you said goodbye a long time ago so how come you are still here?
13. Can you show me where I said that?
14. That wouldn't be any chance your way would it, so like the rcc which has its people saying the same thing over and over and over again. And please don't say they don't. I have been in enough catholic meetings to know that they do.
15. Well Selene, what would you call this if not purile, infantile and very unclever?
16. Chapter and verse please. NOT WAFFLE.
17. Chapter and verse please that says you are to pray TO the Holy Spirit. NOT WAFFLE.
I am sorry to say Selene that your non-posts are confirming what we are saying.
1. And where in scripture does it say to pray to the Holy Spirit? Just a straight forward answer of specific verses would be appreciated, not some waffle about, this that and the other.
2. That wouldn't be any chance your way would it, so like the rcc which has its people saying the same thing over and over and over again. And please don't say they don't. I have been in enough catholic meetings to know that they do.
3. Are you saying we should follow the teaching of scripture?
4. But you claimed all these saints are alive in heaven already. If that is the case, why do they need to be resurrected back to life?
5. And how do you imitate Christ?
6. What has the second death got to do with what you are saying? You are just making it up as you go along.
7. Where does it say in scripture that God approves of denominations?
8. Chapter and verse please for what you are claiming here?
9. Sorry, I don't have Cahters in my bible. Is that the catholic version?
10. How do you know he is a better man than me? I would like some irrefutable evidence please. Otherwise retract the statement.
11. Since when has a dictionary been a commentary on the bible?
12. And you said goodbye a long time ago so how come you are still here?
13. Can you show me where I said that?
14. That wouldn't be any chance your way would it, so like the rcc which has its people saying the same thing over and over and over again. And please don't say they don't. I have been in enough catholic meetings to know that they do.
15. Well Selene, what would you call this if not purile, infantile and very unclever?
16. Chapter and verse please. NOT WAFFLE.
17. Chapter and verse please that says you are to pray TO the Holy Spirit. NOT WAFFLE.
I am sorry to say Selene that your non-posts are confirming what we are saying.
Selene
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Hello WhiteKnuckle
I will be happy to answer your questions and clear up the misconceptions regarding "father" as Jesus said in Matthew 23:9.
Matthew 23:8-10 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called masters, for you have one master, the Christ.
As you can see from Sacred Scripture, Jesus said, call no man your teacher, father, and master. It is not just father. Then in many places of the Bible, we see Jesus calling Abraham "father" (See John 8:56). We also see in the Bible that the Apostles call men "father" (see Romans 4:1 and Romans 4:16). We see in the Bible that St. Paul also calls himself a "teacher" and a "father" (See 2 Timothy 1:11 and 1 Corinthians 4:15). Therefore, since the Apostles called others and even themselves "teachers" and "fathers," then there must be a different meaning to what Jesus says in Matthew 23:8-10. If one reads further into the biblical passage, the answer is found there. It is actually found in the next verse (Matthew 23:11-12). Jesus is simply telling His disciples to be careful that when taking these titles, one should not use them with pride. In other words, it is okay to use the title "teacher, "father" and "master" so long as one does not use it with pride.
You may not use the title "father" when referring to your pastors; yet, you do use the word "father" when referring to your dad. You also use the word "teacher" when referring to your child's teacher. The word "doctor" is another word for teacher, and that is a word that is also used. Again, if you are to take Jesus' words literally, one should not be calling any man or human "teacher," "father," and "master." However, since the Apostles used these words because they understood Jesus clearly, we follow their example. Thus, we are not going against the Bible at all.
As for the name "Holy Father," I agree with you that this is used only in reference for God and only God.
However, when referring to the Pope, we are not addressing him as God. We call the Pope "father" because the Latin name for Pope is "father," As I've shown you through Scripture, it is okay to call a man "father" just as it is okay to call a man "teacher." The Pope is also called "holy" because he was called by God to sit in the chair of the Apostle Peter and all the callings of God are "holy"; thus, the name "holy father."
In the same way, we are called "the sons and daughters of God." Our brothers are the "sons of God," but this does not mean that they are Jesus for there is only one "Son of God." We are all children of God. We are God's family. Furthermore, all priests and bishops are also called "holy fathers," not just the Pope. My brother can be called a "son of God" despite the fact that there is only one "Son of God" (Jesus Christ). We are God's family. I hope that answers your question.
In Christ,
Selene
You mean....like speaking in metaphors when you say "kill off." :lol:
No, like cracking up, and following and defending things against God, and for lying about marksman and me. We know there is but One God. Can you ever stop bringing in lies?
marksman
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Selene
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Sorry, but I find it so hilarious when Marksman said that the true Church was killed off, and you agreed with him. Both of you did not know that Jesus promised to be with His Church until the end of the world. And when I asked how was the Church killed off when Jesus promised to be with His Church until the end of the world? What did the two of you do???..... Marksman is claiming to speak in metaphors. LOL! And you are now claiming to say "trying to kill." :lol:
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
You are in a religion that follows doctrines taught by demons. No wonder you can have it explained to you what I said and believe, yet you still don't get it.
Maybe you need more pictures to show the wickedness of your church? Maybe that will get you to stop getting hysterical with laughter?
Selene
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My sister, those pictures never bothered me. But some of the things that you and Marksman said do make me laugh.
Lighten up. It's the Christmas season. Don't be a humbug. Learn to laugh at your own mistakes. I do it all the time. Life is too short to be angry and full of hatred. My sister, those pictures never bothered me. But some of the things that you and Marksman said do make me laugh.
Who is full of hatred? Could it be you? Usually what people falsely accuse others of---it is what they are guilty of. You are the one laughing hysterically at others. I take the Word of God seriously.
Now look at these pictures. See what your relgion does. Instead of laughing hysterically over Marksman and me....maybe these pictures will give you a hard laugh.
Skulls and a skeleton. Inside a Catholic Church in Munich in Germany.
A blue eyed skeleton in a box, with the mouth region and teeth covered with jewels.
The skull is dressed up for veneration.
The Catholic church digs up their buried. Then they put them on display to be bowed to (venerated). The Catholic church teaches that healings can come from holy bones such as these.
Selene
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As I said, those pictures never bothered me. They just take up space in the forum board. My sister, I did not accuse you of any false thing. What false thing did I accuse you of when you did agree with Marksman about the true Church being killed off. I still remember you posting that Pius disagreed with the Holy See. And you did post that. That is the truth. What you posted about Pius X was so so funny! Pius X disagreed with the Holy See....and you did not even realize that he was the Holy See. :lol:
You can call the Catholic Church evil if you want.....after all, look at who it is coming from? It's coming from someone who said that Pius X disagreed with the Holy See. LOL!!!!
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I'm not okaying bowing to statues,,,, not exactly, and especially the way you think I am. As I said I completely understand where you're comming from.
I'm also not making excuses for anyone. I'm being subjective and trying to learn and understand something of another culture.
It's easy for me to sit and expand on all the views I believe are wrong. It's easy for me to use scriptures to support my views. On the other hand, having a subjective attitude towards a curious subject and stating what I believe and my experiences, and comparing cultural differences, Is not disobeying the word of God.
Seems to me that the best way to understand anything is to have a conversation and keep an open mind. Keeping an open mind doesn't mean you have to agree with anyone, or even become a believer in what they believe. It's what most people call a dialog. You'd be surprised at what you'll find out about yourself and others if you would try something other than a onesided argument. Infact, you may get farther if you weren't argumentitive at all.
Maybe it's my nature or my curious mind. I'm subjective and I allow myself to consider anothers beliefs. I don't want to change religions, but at the same time I feel it's important to fully understand what another person means and where they get their ideas and information. Manythings I thought were evil in the past were merely misunderstood by me and my understandings.
None the less, rest assured I was not judging you by any means. None of my words even hinted at any sort of judgement. As a matter of fact, I have not been judgemental of anyone on this forum or anyother forums I've participated in. That's not my job.
'you catholics don't even agree!'
'you catholics are all brainwashed by your doctrine'
So which is it?
You did judge me. And we can argue with others about the scriptures, apostle Paul did.
If you are not okay with bowing to statues, then stop defending those who do! You say you are trying to learn another culture?! The Catholcs call themselves Christian! They're not supposed to be about just another culture! They say they are the One True Church! They say they have the fullness of the truth! People have, can and do follow the Truth.
It is wrong to read what God says, then not do what God says. And it is wrong to defend others who go against the Word of God. You defend them and put me down. Why are you acting as if it is no big deal to say a religion is the One True religion, but go against what God says? And if it is no big deal to you....then stop judging others who know it's a big deal! Stop trying to stop those who speak up for the Truth. You should be glad I speak up and have shown you something, unless of course you can't see.
And I don't have to try to understand the Catholic religion as you say. I was a Catholic, and I do understand their religion. You think there is a mysterious reason why they do what they do? You think there is a mysterious reason that will let them get by with their going against the Word of God? Don't fool yourself.
You say I should have an open mind? The road to destruction is wide. What don't you understand about I understand what Catholics do?
Aspen is the one who started the Pius X statement....saying that Pius X was from an excommunicated church. Why don't you laugh at him? Laugh all you want at me, I don't even laugh at you and your religion's evil. You should be crying at the evil you follow. I can't laugh at you about it.....just can't.
Aspen and Selene, You both like to personally attack since you can't back up your false, wicked and evil religion. You both are like the men you claim are your Fathers....popes who deny, ignore and twist the Word of God, and who follow things taught by demons. You do this to Jesus' commands, no wonder you twist and lie about what marksman and I say.
You really need to get know Anastacia if you are interested in reading personal attacks, Anastacia - you really are hilarious for someone so blind to your own behavior.
Hello again!
Errr... not quite! The Word of God is alive! The Bible has the potential, but until it is injected with the Spirit in a person it is dead, just another book on the shelf
Since I am not a Catholic , I pay little attention to what the Pope has to say. You should read my posts more carefully...
Your premise may be a good one, but you should be more concerned with following Jesus yourself than with attempting to tear someone else apart. Neither you or I can change a person who is error so that he will follow God better. As Paul put it:
"...God giveth the increase..." I Cor 3:7
Even Paul was still seeing through a "glass darkly", so how is it that you or I or Marksmen or Aspen can see clearly enough to always be right when giving directions about God to others. The only time and way that we can is when and if we have the Holy Ghost in us and we are following the lead of the Holy Ghost. Man's problem too often is that he gets so full of himself, that he plunges ahead on his on stumbling blindly supposedly for God, when he has either not learned to recognise the Master's voice or he is moving forward too fast to wait on the Lord to have his strength in God renewed as needed.
Why do you argue me off the top of your head and not support your beliefs or conclusion with scriptures. You say what I said is not biblical, but you gave not a single verse to show me. I am really a big Bible supporter. As I have already said 3 or 4 times on this thread, I am not a Catholic . Al of my beliefs, I hope, have come from scripture by means of the Holy Ghost. You may not agree with me on every point and that is OK, but at least read carefully what I say and then attempt to give scriptural support for any disagreement.
If I do not, it is not because I do not reading the Bible and talking to God daily. Even so, sometimes I know that I may be wrong .
Anyone who is not already an overcomer as Jesus was an overcomer [see John 16:33] and says that he is never wrong is certainly a liar. The real difficulty is that when we are wrong and thus lying a about it we usually do not even know it ourselves, until when and if God reveals it to us. [Consider here II Thess 2:11]. Remember that what Jesus overcame was His own world of the flesh in which He walked for 33½ years. He did other things besides overcoming His own flesh, but for any of those things to have the full meaning that God intended for them to have, Jesus being tempted in every point as we are, had to be an overcomer of all the obstacles that men must overcome to be able to see God face to face. He did it! We may be in process toward that goal with the Spirit of God working in us, but not many have as yet reached the goal. All of can block God out whenever we want and too often we do!
If anyone does the things taught by men in accord with the ways of men instead of the Way of God then they are missing the highway of holiness. This holds true for your or me or anyone, including Catholics. When your ways are always God's Way, then will you always be in a position to help Catholics and others who come short of God's glory!
"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written , That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Rom 3:4
If you do not see everything that God is showing and hear everyting that God is saying then you cannot always move in His direction... and you will not know when your are in error until, [when and if He does], He lets you know. Partially vision or partial hearing will not gets us where God wants us to be unless we are fully submitted to God. Fully submitted people never sin. We do not have to know that we are telling or living a falsehood in order for it to be a lie. This is why as less than an overcomer can never walk alone in God's Way!
I am also talking about men teaching things wrong about what God says! According to some sources there are not less than 30,000 Christian denominations all supposedly BIble based, but they are holding and teaching a mutitude of opposing doctrines based on that same Bible. Isn't it likely that some, if not all, of them are telling lies, at least, in part, even if not purposely? We are we to presume based on our tiny bit of knowledge that the Catholic Church or any one church is more in the wrong than another? Who can really know these things, but God alone?
Undoubtedly, there are differences in church groups and in individual believers! So if you believe that the Catholic Church is against the Word of God, then leave it alone. Who made you God's death angel against the Catholic Church or anyone else in error? Who made you the final judge against them who if they are wrong are already in condemnation?
"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." Acts 5:38-39
So what are you patting yourself on the back because you believe that you always "worship the Father in spirit and in truth"? Don't look at only that verse, consider also this one!
"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." Luke 14:8-11
Errr... not quite! The Word of God is alive! The Bible has the potential, but until it is injected with the Spirit in a person it is dead, just another book on the shelf
Since I am not a Catholic , I pay little attention to what the Pope has to say. You should read my posts more carefully...
Your premise may be a good one, but you should be more concerned with following Jesus yourself than with attempting to tear someone else apart. Neither you or I can change a person who is error so that he will follow God better. As Paul put it:
"...God giveth the increase..." I Cor 3:7
Even Paul was still seeing through a "glass darkly", so how is it that you or I or Marksmen or Aspen can see clearly enough to always be right when giving directions about God to others. The only time and way that we can is when and if we have the Holy Ghost in us and we are following the lead of the Holy Ghost. Man's problem too often is that he gets so full of himself, that he plunges ahead on his on stumbling blindly supposedly for God, when he has either not learned to recognise the Master's voice or he is moving forward too fast to wait on the Lord to have his strength in God renewed as needed.
Why do you argue me off the top of your head and not support your beliefs or conclusion with scriptures. You say what I said is not biblical, but you gave not a single verse to show me. I am really a big Bible supporter. As I have already said 3 or 4 times on this thread, I am not a Catholic . Al of my beliefs, I hope, have come from scripture by means of the Holy Ghost. You may not agree with me on every point and that is OK, but at least read carefully what I say and then attempt to give scriptural support for any disagreement.
If I do not, it is not because I do not reading the Bible and talking to God daily. Even so, sometimes I know that I may be wrong .
Anyone who is not already an overcomer as Jesus was an overcomer [see John 16:33] and says that he is never wrong is certainly a liar. The real difficulty is that when we are wrong and thus lying a about it we usually do not even know it ourselves, until when and if God reveals it to us. [Consider here II Thess 2:11]. Remember that what Jesus overcame was His own world of the flesh in which He walked for 33½ years. He did other things besides overcoming His own flesh, but for any of those things to have the full meaning that God intended for them to have, Jesus being tempted in every point as we are, had to be an overcomer of all the obstacles that men must overcome to be able to see God face to face. He did it! We may be in process toward that goal with the Spirit of God working in us, but not many have as yet reached the goal. All of can block God out whenever we want and too often we do!
If anyone does the things taught by men in accord with the ways of men instead of the Way of God then they are missing the highway of holiness. This holds true for your or me or anyone, including Catholics. When your ways are always God's Way, then will you always be in a position to help Catholics and others who come short of God's glory!
"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written , That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Rom 3:4
If you do not see everything that God is showing and hear everyting that God is saying then you cannot always move in His direction... and you will not know when your are in error until, [when and if He does], He lets you know. Partially vision or partial hearing will not gets us where God wants us to be unless we are fully submitted to God. Fully submitted people never sin. We do not have to know that we are telling or living a falsehood in order for it to be a lie. This is why as less than an overcomer can never walk alone in God's Way!
I am also talking about men teaching things wrong about what God says! According to some sources there are not less than 30,000 Christian denominations all supposedly BIble based, but they are holding and teaching a mutitude of opposing doctrines based on that same Bible. Isn't it likely that some, if not all, of them are telling lies, at least, in part, even if not purposely? We are we to presume based on our tiny bit of knowledge that the Catholic Church or any one church is more in the wrong than another? Who can really know these things, but God alone?
Undoubtedly, there are differences in church groups and in individual believers! So if you believe that the Catholic Church is against the Word of God, then leave it alone. Who made you God's death angel against the Catholic Church or anyone else in error? Who made you the final judge against them who if they are wrong are already in condemnation?
"And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." Acts 5:38-39
So what are you patting yourself on the back because you believe that you always "worship the Father in spirit and in truth"? Don't look at only that verse, consider also this one!
"When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;
And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room.
But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.
For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted." Luke 14:8-11
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