Questions for Sabbatarians

[Ghada]

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

"NO! Only the covenant, not GOD'S LAW! Hebrews 7 is talking about an AMENDMENT to the commandment for making a child of Levi a priest!"

So, now the covenant is separated from the law and priesthood made for the covenant. And the law of Christ with His priesthood is added to the law of Moses and Levitical priesthood, in order to make a new covenant of new law and priesthood added to the old.

Judaizing on steroids. At least past Judaizers were satisfied with outward circumcision by law.

It also suggests the old covenant is wholly changed, but the law and priesthood of the covenant is only amended. And so the covenant is separated from it's own law and priesthood.

And since it's the blood of the covenant, that consecrates the law and priesthood, then the consecrating blood for the old law and priesthood must be still be shed for the new 'amended' law and priesthood.

The blood of the Lamb of God shed to consecrate His newly amended priesthood, is therefore added to the blood of bulls and goats shed to consecrate the continuing amended Levitical priesthood.

And why? Just to talk one's way into keeping a sabbath by law in the old and the new.

Understanding the personal agenda in teaching, is necessary to understand the nature of the teaching, whether it is personal or objective.

When people try to teach any book with their own agenda in mind, then every book is corrupted from what the author intended.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

"NO! Only the covenant, not GOD'S LAW!

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

In the New Testament, many mentions of “the law” is actually referring to Law of Christ (aka the Law of Liberty) and is not talking about the old testament law. Christians are NOT called to keep or live under the old testament law, but we ARE called to live under the Law of Christ.

Ultimately this means we are called to abide In Christ which is living after the Spirit and not after the flesh, or to be spiritually minded and not carnally minded (see Romans 8). As we see in Romans 8, to be spiritually minded is life and peace but to be carnally minded is death which is separation from the Lord.

Galatians 6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:21
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

James 2:12
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
*Free as in no longer being a slave to sin, as in stop doing sinful things!

2 Peter 1:4-10
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

1 Thessalonians 4:3-8
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. (*Notice what Paul said about his own body in 1 Corinthians 9:27)

Colossians 3:6-10
For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: Those that do not put on the New Man and quit walking after the flesh, the wrath of God comes upon them for their disobedience because God is NOT mocked, if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption (Gal 6:7,8)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Things end very badly for those that do not obey the gospel.

Romans 11:19-25
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Law of Christ
The phrase "the law of Christ" appears only in Galatians 6:2, although it is implied by the wording of 1 Corinthians 9:21 as well. In both places, its precise meaning is difficult to fix. In Galatians, Paul argues vigorously that the law given at Sinai makes no claim on those who believe in Christ, whether Gentile or Jew ( 2:15-21 ; Galatians 3:10-14 Galatians 3:23-26 ; 4:4-5 ; 4:21-5:6).

He then appeals to the Galatians to engage in ethical behavior by walking in the Spirit ( 5:16 Galatians 16 ), being lead by the Spirit ( 5:18 ), and fulfilling "the law of Christ" (ho nomos tou Christou) through bearing one another's burdens ( 6:2 ). In 1 Corinthians 9 Paul demonstrates how Christians should, out of love for the weaker brother or sister, refrain from demanding their rights.

By way of illustration Paul says in verses 19-23 that he adopts certain Jewish customs when among Jews, although he is not under the Jewish law, and that he adopts some Gentile customs when among Gentiles, although he is not without the law of God but rather "in the law of Christ" (ennomos Christou).

It seems fairly clear from these two texts that Paul uses the phrase to mean something other than the law given to Israel at Sinai and considered by most Jews to be their special possession.

Help is found in the prophets. In Isaiah 42:1-4 we read that God's chosen servant will one day establish justice throughout the earth and that "the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law" (NASB). If we take this passage to refer to the Messiah, then we could paraphrase it by saying that the Christ, when he comes, will teach God's law to the Gentiles ("the coastlands"). Jeremiah 31:31-34 similarly predicts the coming of a time in which disobedient Israel will receive a new covenant, consisting of a law written on the heart and therefore obeyed (cf. Ezek 36:26-27 ).

Jesus' teaching, although standing in continuity with the law given at Sinai, nevertheless sovereignly fashions a new law. In some instances Jesus sharpens commandments ( Matt 5:17-48 ) and in others considers them obsolete ( Mark 7:17-19 ). On one occasion, having been asked to identify the greatest commandment, Jesus concurs with the Jewish wisdom of his time ( Mark 12:32-33 ) that the greatest commandments are to love God supremely and to love one's neighbor as oneself ( Mark 12:28-31 ). He breaks with tradition, however, by defining the term "neighbor" to mean even the despised Samaritan ( Luke 10:29-37 ).

Paul believed that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ marked the beginning point of God's new covenant ( 2 Cor 3:1-18 ; Gal 4:21-31 ; cf. Rom 8:2 ). Like Isaiah, he believed that this covenant included the Gentiles ( Gal 3:7-20 ), and like Jeremiah he believed that it offered Israel a remedy for the curse that the old Sinaitic covenant pronounced on Israel's disobedience ( Gal 3:10-13 ).

In light of this, Paul may have understood the teaching of Christ as a new law. If so, then the correspondence between the ethical teaching of Jesus and Paul on many points (e.g., 1 Cor 7:10-11 / Mark 10:2-9 ; 1 Cor 9:14 / Luke 10:7 ; Rom 14:1-23 / Mark 7:18-19 ) is a matter of Paul's intention rather than happy accident. Paul's own admonition to fulfill the law of Christ by bearing one another's burdens provides both a pithy restatement of Jesus' summary of the law and an indication that Jesus' teaching fulfills prophetic expectations.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

In the New Testament, many mentions of “the law” is actually referring to Law of Christ (aka the Law of Liberty) and is not talking about the old testament law. Christians are NOT called to keep or live under the old testament law, but we ARE called to live under the Law of Christ.

"the law" read in the Bible, it is understood a priori, is the Law of God whether it is the Law of Life or the Law of Death, in fact the Law before ever it was given as the Law of God of Life, is read in God's Word spoken by God to man the Law of God of Death! The Law cannot be cherry picked just as God will not be cherry picked.

No child of our heavenly FATHER should devise vain distinctions in or between The Law and Laws in the Bible because after all the Bible is God's Word and the only Word of God THROUGH WHICH GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT SPEAKS. The obedience of the saved and at rest child of our Almighty Father God and Saviour tries not to split hair while he cannot even pick one hair from hair for an excuse for his disobedience. I have not seen the different covenants and opposing laws antinomians love to act nano technology scientists on. Strangest of all are the modern antinomians. The old school antinomians no longer exists, they saw the futility of antinomianism, and CHANGED vanity, hoping to make or at best sound like making sense by becoming or pretending to be Antisabbathnanonomians. What sheer taste glands theological discernment can do, it’s unimaginable.

 

[BarneyFife]

Man, you SDA peoples get all bent out of shape when faced with the truth!

Thanks for sharing your erroneous opinion that's void of understanding of God's New Covenant.
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You failed to mention Jesus KEPT the entire law as to go to the Cross as having perfectly kept the aw... which is the fulfillment. It is finished (John 19:30)

Then He took the law and the entire old covenant away to establish a New Covenant which is...

Hebrews 3:5,6
And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Hebrews 4:8-11
For if Jesus had given them rest (sabbath under the OT), then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

The rest New Testament believers are called to is... to abide IN Christ, living by faith and faith is action!

Can't be the same law.

Verses 16-18 of Hebrews 7 says the law that is being changed is carnal/fleshly, weak, and unprofitable:

Heb 7:16-18
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

But Romans 7 says that the law is spiritual, holy, just and good.

Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Verse 14 even directly contrasts "spiritual" with "carnal," thoroughly impeaching the theory that Hebrews 7 is talking about the moral law being changed.

Are we really supposed to believe that "carnal" = "spiritual" and that "weak and unprofitable" = "holy, just, and good?"

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[BarneyFife]

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Can't be the same law.

Verses 16-18 of Hebrews 7 says the law that is being changed is carnal/fleshly, weak, and unprofitable:

Heb 7:16-18
16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

But Romans 7 says that the law is spiritual, holy, just and good.

Rom 7:12-14
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Verse 14 even directly contrasts "spiritual" with "carnal," thoroughly impeaching the theory that Hebrews 7 is talking about the moral law being changed.

Are we really supposed to believe that "carnal" = "spiritual" and that "weak and unprofitable" = "holy, just, and good?"

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[GerhardEbersoehn]

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

In the New Testament, many mentions of “the law” is actually referring to Law of Christ (aka the Law of Liberty) and is not talking about the old testament law. Christians are NOT called to keep or live under the old testament law, but we ARE called to live under the Law of Christ.

Ultimately this means we are called to abide In Christ which is living after the Spirit and not after the flesh, or to be spiritually minded and not carnally minded (see Romans 8). As we see in Romans 8, to be spiritually minded is life and peace but to be carnally minded is death which is separation from the Lord.

Galatians 6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 9:21
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

James 2:12
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
*Free as in no longer being a slave to sin, as in stop doing sinful things!

2 Peter 1:4-10
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

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Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

CGE:
To answer you this time, one must take seriously your WHOLE remonstrance posted here.
Second, think just WHO you wrote it all, for---for Christians who believe and confess and desire to keep holy "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD _their_ GOD". What you do, is, TO JUDGE....no no no, not them, they're nothing, but YOU sir, judge, their LORD and their GOD, sir.
Look at you quoting Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. What you insinuate is, the Law of Christ is not the Law of God so Christ is not God. Allright, we know you don't mean that, but that is what it, means.
Look at you quoting 2 Peter 1:4-10 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. How is it possible you do not SEE, the exceeding great and precious promises given unto us, are given unto us by one and the same God, and that the exceeding great and precious promises given unto us, are given unto us out of what YOU call, 'the old covenant' -- the Old Testament Word of God Bible.

And so one could carry on forever knew one not it in any case will be useless. So, stop your blasphemies like these Scriptures being mutilated and made a farce of by you and your theology.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

No man, I can't let you get away with this! <Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. *Free as in no longer being a slave to sin, as in stop doing sinful things!>WHICH IS STRAIGHT SAYING the LORD GOD'S Seventh Day Sabbath as well as the believers' regard for it is <sin> and <being a slave to sin> and <doing sinful things!>
YES YOU SAY IT YOU DARN HYPOCRITE!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

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[GerhardEbersoehn]

Yes, BarneyFife, Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:12-14
12 the law holy, and just, and good was made sin, that it, the law, holy, and just, and good might appear (like) sin, SIN, CHRIST MADE SIN FOR US, working death in me, "NO ONE CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE" by that which is good "WHY do you call ME, GOOD--ONLY ONE IS GOOD: GOD"; so that sin by The Commandment (by the revelation / appearance of JESIS CHRIST, through the SPIRIT OF REVELATION the Holy Spirit of God, might become, the same sin, BUT now, exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that The Law is spiritual: as God is Spirit and spriritual, but I, am carnal, and mortal and sold under sin.
But the Sabbath of the Lord Jesus Christ's LORDSHIP as if under sin, they sell for higher human gain nevertheless, instead. "Where is there more skin where over you can protrude more festering sores?" (Isaiah and old Job before him asked)

 

[Ghada]

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Exactly. I've heard of Judaizers trying to keep the law of Moses with the law of Christ 'amending' it, but I hadn't seen it till now.

Paul believed that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ marked the beginning point of God's new covenant

Now this is a good point and not made enough. Exactly when the God of Israel brings in His new covenant, is where we can mark in Scripture exactly where the OT law and priesthood ended, and the NT law and priesthood begins.

Some think it is at His coming into the world, and others at the cross, but I believe the Bible shows it is not until His resurrection from the dead.

Since it is by His NT promise, that repented sinners are born again in Christ, and since it is by His resurrection, that we are born again (1 Peter 1), then it must be at His resurrection that His NT begins.

And so that is when the law of Moses also ended with the OT, and the NT law of the risen God of Israel now rules over His newborn house and body.

That is why I do not preach any verse of Scripture as law of Christ, that is written before the specific verses of His resurrection are written into the 4 gospels. All Scripture written after these 4 verses though to Revelation reveals the law of Christ for His NT people.

( 2 Cor 3:1-18 ; Gal 4:21-31 ; cf. Rom 8:2 ). Like Isaiah, he believed that this covenant included the Gentiles ( Gal 3:7-20 ), and like Jeremiah he believed that it offered Israel a remedy for the curse that the old Sinaitic covenant pronounced on Israel's disobedience ( Gal 3:10-13 ).

This may seem obvious beyond argument. But I have recently engaged someone trying to say Gentiles can be saved by Jesus Christ, but cannot enter into the His NT covenant with natural Israel.

Other than the absurdity of trying to separate Jesus Christ from His own covenant pertaining to Gentiles, I found in the Scriptures how Gentiles not only entire into His New Covenant to be part of His covenant people, but He also welcomed them into His Old Covenant and people of Israel.

Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

It's not just the natural seed that the God of Israel wanted in His covenant, but also the strangers of the nations, called the Gentiles.

Much more so now by His resurrection from the dead, are all men everywhere commanded to repent and enter into His NT, to be His newborn covenant people.

At the cross, Romans 11 declares all on earth were judged in unbelief, not just the Jews and Romans. When Jesus was killed on a cross by sinners, all sinners on earth are judged guilty of His blood,

The Lord first came for the transgressing outcasts of Israel, but now He comes for all sinning outcasts of God.

Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

All the old covenant people were concluded to be outcasts at the cross, so that all outcasts of the world, could repent and enter in by His resurrection.

All men are first made in the image of God, not just the Jews. All the children of God by creation have gone of astray, and now all the children of disobedience, whether Jew or Gentile, can repent and be reconciled to God the creator of all men, by the risen God of Israel and Saviour for all men.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

think just WHO you wrote it all, for---for Christians who believe and confess and desire to keep holy "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD _their_ GOD". What you do, is, TO JUDGE....no no no, not them, they're nothing, but YOU sir, judge, their LORD and their GOD, sir.

Going by what the Lord Jesus directed to be wrote as His New Testament canon... Christians do not observe Saturday sabbath since the entire New Covenant is a higher standard that the old covenant that the Saturday people are clinging to.

They don't accept the New Covenant as it's written. And that's too bad for them.

So, stop your blasphemies

There you go... claiming not observing Satuday sabbath is sinful...

Good luck "earning" your salvation by keep Saturday sabbath

Nothing in the New Covenant teaches us the not observing Saturday sabbath is blasphemy

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Going by what the Lord Jesus directed to be wrote as His New Testament canon... Christians do not observe Saturday sabbath since the entire New Covenant is a higher standard that the old covenant that the Saturday people are clinging to.

They don't accept the New Covenant as it's written. And that's too bad for them.

Big Boy Johnson, THIS is too bad...for YOU. This post, every of YOUR words here written by YOU, betrays but one truthful fact about: YOU. That YOU do not know the Scriptures. And to that can be added that that person who wrote this post #311, YOU, <don't accept the New Covenant as it's written>. And third but no less important must be said, That your applying, appropriation, USE and interpretation and categorizing or whatever of <what the Lord Jesus directed to be wrote as His New Testament canon> is self-centered, is self-interest, selfish abuse and mis-appropriation, and EMPTY untruth totally centered upon the WORSHIP OF SUNDAY AND YOURSELF. You have NO interest in 'the Lord Jesus directed New Testament canon', and ZERO respect for 'the New Covenant' IN ALL OF SCRIPTURE. If it had not been for YOUR SELF AND SUNDAY VENERATION PROPAGATION you would not have posted here a single post, no word. Now you've done worse, you wrote and you argued and you multiplied posts with one purpose in mind: TO DO DAMAGE AS MUCH AS YOUR PUNINESS IS CAPABLE OF, to the very New Testament canon of the WRITTEN Word of God.
But you pathetically FAIL. You are NOT <going by what the Lord Jesus directed>. QUOTE JESUS, or be the LIAR, COWARD and BIGOT YOU ARE.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

There you go... claiming not observing Satuday sabbath is sinful...

Good luck "earning" your salvation by keep Saturday sabbath

Nothing in the New Covenant teaches us the not observing Saturday sabbath is blasphemy

... YOU, Big Boy Johnson writing, posting, saying ... no one else ... but YOU ... speaking to yourself one should understand, about yourself of yourself.

Where are you with, let 'the Lord Jesus directed New Testament canon' say ? Poor man

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Some think it is at His coming into the world, and others at the cross, but I believe the Bible shows it is not until His resurrection from the dead.

Amen, yes and wait and more He is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow CHRIST, IS GOD, IS HIS NEW COVENANT--therefore only God's New Covenant is God's ETERNAL one and only COVENANT OF GRACE.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Big Boy Johnson, THIS is too bad...for YOU.

No, actually I've accepted the higher standard that Jesus Christ has brought forth in His New Covenant.

But, you're welcome to cling to the old covenant that has been taken awat if you'd like. It doesn't effect me at all, so enjoy!

Matthew 22:36-40
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Not a mention of observing Saturday sabbath...

is self-centered, is self-interest, selfish abuse and mis-appropriation, and EMPTY untruth totally centered upon the WORSHIP OF SUNDAY AND YOURSELF.

I worship the Lord... not any day of the week like the sabbatarians worship Saturday

I've said numerous times, the New Covenant does not instruct Christians of any particular day they are required or expected to have gatherings on for church services. So, good luck with that worshiping the day of Saturday thingy bob.

But you pathetically FAIL. You are NOT <going by what the Lord Jesus directed>. QUOTE JESUS, or be the LIAR, COWARD and BIGOT YOU ARE.

Now that's a fresh hot piping load of horse hockey right there!

... YOU, Big Boy Johnson writing, posting, saying ... no one else ... but YOU ... speaking to yourself one should understand, about yourself of yourself.

Where are you with, let 'the Lord Jesus directed New Testament canon' say ? Poor man

Another fresh load...

Amen, yes and wait and more He is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow CHRIST, IS GOD, IS HIS NEW COVENANT--therefore only God's New Covenant is God's ETERNAL one and only COVENANT OF GRACE.

And... Jesus never taught anybody that He wanted them to go to church on Saturday... whassup with that?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Wake up, Pascal... GE not a Seventh-day Adventist—a fact which he'd be perfectly happy with which to enlighten you, if he cared to entertain your steady flow of innocuous assumptions that make your posts a trove of idle words with which I fear you will not be pleased to meet in the judgment.

The baseless accusations you constantly hurl at people about whom you know nothing may prove to be much more of a concern to you in the future than the hopefully ignorant hostility you exhibit toward the 4th commandment and its defenders.

This is why you lump every absurd imagination you have about Sabbatarian beliefs into Seventh-day Adventistm.

It is maliciously dishonest to claim that Seventh-day Adventists, in general, teach and believe that people who don't agree with them are not saved and will burn in hellfire. If you had enough integrity to provide some non-anecdotal evidence of this claim you could possibly be taken seriously, although it's becoming increasingly obvious that you have no such aspiration.

Your insults, goading, and harassment are reaching critical mass and, IMO, will likely result in your departure if your pattern of behavior persists.

Rules are rules, after all, and your claims of "upsetting squishy people" have no bearing on them since the rules only mention "upsetting" and make no exceptions for "squishiness."

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What is GE? (I have that fellow on ignore if he said.) I wanted to tell you that on the last two Saturdays I've gone to the SDA church here in town. Its the only way I'm going to have access to a good pot luck lunch! Making friends too with a girl named Kathy. There was one dish that was made with canned scallops! Those and choplets are my favorite. She and I asked all around who brought them because that is the first time Kathy can remember anyone bringing a dish make with them, so we think it must have been brought by an angel just for me!

 

[BarneyFife]

What is GE? (I have that fellow on ignore if he said.) I wanted to tell you that on the last two Saturdays I've gone to the SDA church here in town. Its the only way I'm going to have access to a good pot luck lunch! Making friends too with a girl named Kathy. There was one dish that was made with canned scallops! Those and choplets are my favorite. She and I asked all around who brought them because that is the first time Kathy can remember anyone bringing a dish make with them, so we think it must have been brought by an angel just for me!

Glad you're getting out and about, Sis!

My wife loves the scallops breaded, air-fried, with cocktail sauce!


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[1stCenturyLady]

Glad you're getting out and about, Sis!

My wife loves the scallops breaded, air-fried, with cocktail sauce!


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I would like that too. It would be better than with shrimp. Those always make me think of grubs!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

But, you're welcome to cling to the old covenant that has been taken awat if you'd like. It doesn't effect me at all, so enjoy!

You are so deceived - by yourself.
To you for the last time from me : There is in the Bible no <old covenant> and no <the old covenant that has been taken awat [Sic.]>--- <old covenant> and no <the old covenant that has been taken awat> OF GOD. There is only this <old covenant> - <the old covenant that has been taken away> OF YOURS... yes, and of mine, and of every human being WE ALL BEING lying makers of empty, worthless, SINFUL promises and oaths and 'covenants' since of OLD, indeed since from our creation and FALL in the first Adam. (Recommended - Paul's Letter to the Romans - check particularly the 6th chapter if I remember correctly "hou epleonasen heh hamartia, HUPEREPERISSEUSEN HEH CHARIS" praise the Lord.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

There is in the Bible no <old covenant> and no <the old covenant that has been taken awat

Obviously either your bible is defective.. or you cannot read!

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

You are directly denying what God says in His word!