Rapture anytime anyway will you go up or be left behind?

[GISMYS_7]

1st.Thess.16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

 

[MatthewG]

What is interesting is this was written to a group of people whom were alive and breathing at that time.

1 Thess. 1:1

1 Thessalonians,

1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy,

To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

Grace and peace to you.

These people were waiting for the return of Jesus. Today, I think it is good to continue to encourage people to continue in trusting Yahavah, and believing on the Son, and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

A lot of time people quote scripture just forgetting about the main audience, I don't know why that is, but it seems to be an ever persisting thing that happens a whole lot of the time.

When this happens people forget about the people being written to, and apply the message as though it to us today.

While you are free to choose what you are gonna believe, that is all fine and well but perhaps I am a stickler for just the truth of the matters concerning these things.

How can I change, 1 thessaloians to say "To matthew in Alabama."

 

[GISMYS_7]

God's Word written to'''YOU'''!!!
1st Thes.
4;16 Those which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be '''caught up'' together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I'll be participating in the Lord's rescues of His faithful

It's too bad some don't believe there will be a rescue and their unbelief will cause them to be left behind.

Sad. But, oh well it's not like they were not informed.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Time is up!! Will you be caught up to left behind?? YOUR CHOICE!!

 

[pandaflower]

We'll see. Till then.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

1st.Thess.16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

not to totally bust your bubble but those verses don't apply to you . sorry but you're not going anywhere .

 

[Deleted member 26788]

the question then is who is it speaking of ? who are those the dead in Christ that will rise first? the first are none other than the apostles of Jesus . true others would of been added how many cant be known , how many will yet be living when the event happens cant be known . one things for sure its not every person that considered them selves to be christian.

 

[jeffweeder]

Time is up!! Will you be caught up to left behind?? YOUR CHOICE!!

Left behind where?
Jesus said heaven and earth would pass away when he comes again...,

LK 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
34 “But be on guard, so that your hearts are not weighed down and depressed with the giddiness of debauchery and the nausea of self-indulgence and the worldly worries of life, and then that day [when the Messiah returns] will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who live on the face of all the earth.


This is a global event that will effect everyone as the H/E pass away.


36 But keep alert at all times [be attentive and ready], praying that you may have the strength and ability [to be found worthy and] to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man [at His coming].”


So what is it we escape from when he comes



Paul Teaches the Thessalonians in his second letter to them...,

4 Therefore, we speak of you with pride among the churches of God for your steadfastness [your unflinching endurance, and patience] and your firm faith in the midst of all the persecution and [crushing] distress which you endure.

5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him]. 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

When....,


10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed and trusted [and confirmed in your lives].


The heaven and the earth pass away as Gods righteous final judgment begins....,

Rev 20
11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away].

 

[Webers_Home]

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FAQ: Supposing I don't believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. Will I be left
behind if perchance it turns out to be true?

REPLY: Well; it appears to me that the only prerequisite to participation is
that people be in Jesus, a.k.a. in Christ. (1Thess 4:14-17) That being the
case, then everyone unified with Christ will be taken up whether it's pre
tribulation, mid tribulation, or post tribulation.

FAQ: What is the purpose of the rapture?

REPLY: It's primarily an evacuation.

For example Rev 16:17-18 predicts a global earthquake so overwhelming on
the Richter scale that cities all over the world will collapse at once.

Something like 2,829 lost their lives when the World Trade Center was
demolished by a terrorist attack in 2001. Well that was only a few acres of
New York City. Just imagine the body count when all of Manhattan comes
down at once. along with other major cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco,
Mexico City, Paris, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, et al.

The carnage will be beyond belief; and that's just one of the many life
threatening events set to take place.
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[Webers_Home]

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I've watched a number of films pertaining to the rapture and every one of
them left out the part where the remains of 2,000 years of deceased
believers will be restored to life.

The films also left out the part where folks unified with Christ rise into the air
to meet him. Instead the films showed them here one second and gone the
next, but I rather suspect the event should be easily observed all 'round the
world if it proceeds as described because 2,000 years of believers added to
the world's current number, will likely construct a flash mob resembling a
mini Oort Cloud when they levitate together all at one time to rendezvous
with Christ up in the sky from every corner of the globe.

The mob is likely to get pretty noisy too what with all the cheering, laughing,
and shouting that's sure to take place when Jesus' followers receive their
new bodies; which of course will be immune to death and the aging process.
(1Cor 15:51-53)

* The "blink" component of the rapture pertains to the miraculous
transformation that Jesus' followers will undergo during the event. (1Cor
15:51-52)

The films also showed tiny children being taken while their parents are left
behind. That's highly doubtful because minors have often been collateral
damage in the Bible when God slammed their parents, e.g. zero children
survived the Flood, and 120,00 would've been lost had God found it
necessary to follow thru with His threat to annihilate Nineveh. (Jonah 4:11)

NOTE: People left behind shouldn't let the rapture cause them panic because
it isn't the end of the world. They can still get themselves spared retribution
and perdition, viz: it's not like all hope is lost. In point of fact, vast numbers
of folks from all over the globe will be spared during the interlude between
the rapture and Christ's feet touching down on the ground to set up the
kingdom conditions predicted by the prophets in the old testament. (Rev
7:9-14)
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[Webers_Home]

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To the best of my knowledge thus far; Jesus is on track to return to
Jerusalem seven years after the rapture to set up the theocratic kingdom
predicted in the old testament, and of course everyone unified with him will
return too. Well; I for one plan on taking some time off to visit all the sights
I missed this time around.

For example, the only foreign country I've ever been to is Mexico and even
then just the border towns of Tijuana and Tecate so I have a lot to catch up
on; that's if anything is left. It appears to me from accounts in the book of
Revelation that the world will undergo catastrophic damage during the
interim between the rapture and when the Lord gets back so I may be in for
some disappointment on a few fronts.

Oh! and another thing; according to Matt 26:29, Luke 22:15-16, and Luke
22:28 30, folks who make the cut for the kingdom will be able to dine upon
ordinary foods and beverages. Just imagine the pleasure of touring the world
and tasting samples of cuisine in every culture on earth; and in perfect
safety too because according to Isa 2:4 there won't be any war zones to
worry about; and Isa 11:6-9 suggests that danger from the animal kingdom
will no longer be a concern.
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[Davy]

Time is up!! Will you be caught up to left behind?? YOUR CHOICE!!

I will be GLADLY left-behind IF I'm still alive to go through the "great tribulation" in the future.

That because Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that His coming to gather His saints will be AFTER THE TRIBULATION, not prior... to it!

You are not listening to Jesus, you are listening to men's doctrines, and believing on MEN instead. Thus you reject what Jesus said in the above Scripture I quoted, along with all those who believe man's FALSE Pre-trib Rapture Theory.

And just because I tell you the Truth about it, you no doubt become more hardened in deception to man's false Pre-trib Rapture Theory.


BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
What Lord Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 about the time of His coming to gather His saints AFTER ... the tribulation is the SAME TEACHING by Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17.

In 1 Thess.4:13-16, Apostle Paul said the dead in Christ shall rise first. That means the FUTURE RESURRECTION. And God's Word teaches the future resurrection only will happen on the LAST DAY of this world (John 6:40 for one example). That coincides with what Jesus said that He comes to gather His saints AFTER the tribulation.

Moreover, the Matt.24:31, last phrase of where the saints are gathered FROM, is about the asleep saints Paul said Jesus will bring with Him when He comes.

And the Mark 13:27 last phrase of the saints being gathered is from the EARTH of the saints still alive when Jesus comes, what some call a rapture, but Paul called being "caught up".

The DECEIVED, who think they will be raptured PRIOR to the "great tribulation", will instead FLEE to the coming false-Messiah wrongly thinking He will be The Christ. Their religious leaders are of the 'crept in unawares' of Jude 4 that serve the devil, and thus they deceive those brethren with their false Pre-trib Rapture Theory which is nowhere written in The Bible.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I'll be participating in the Lord's rescues of His faithful

It's too bad some don't believe there will be a rescue and their unbelief will cause them to be left behind.

Sad. But, oh well it's not like they were not informed.

I did a thread a While back and challenged the post tribs to convince me using scripture, of a post tribulation rapture, and they could make a case scripturally.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The overwhelming grief postribbers will suffer is beyond words when they are left behind.
Even the foolish virgins had enough savvy to watch and wait with the wise who were watching and ready.

The postrib cult will get exactly where the place their faith in denial.
They will face the ac.

 

[Davy]

The overwhelming grief postribbers will suffer is beyond words when they are left behind.
Even the foolish virgins had enough savvy to watch and wait with the wise who were watching and ready.

The postrib cult will get exactly where the place their faith in denial.
They will face the ac.

The grief suffered will be those deceived on 'man's FALSE Pre-trib Rapture Theory, and just to prove another aspect of 'their' FALSE TEACHINGS, they can't even recognize that Lord Jesus warned in the last verse of Luke 17 that to be TAKEN means wheresoever the dead carcase is which the fowls dine upon!

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV


The Matthew 24:28 version of Lord Jesus' above answer:

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV


That means the ONE TAKEN will be LIKE A DEAD CARCASE WHERE THOSE FOWLS WILL BE GATHERED TOGETHER. And what do fowls do with a dead CARCASE?

THAT IS NOT ABOUT THOSE LEFT-BEHIND, IT IS THOSE FIRST ONES TAKEN... THAT ARE LIKE THE DEAD CARCASE!

 

[rebuilder 454]

The grief suffered will be those deceived on 'man's FALSE Pre-trib Rapture Theory, and just to prove another aspect of 'their' FALSE TEACHINGS, they can't even recognize that Lord Jesus warned in the last verse of Luke 17 that to be TAKEN means wheresoever the dead carcase is which the fowls dine upon!

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV


The Matthew 24:28 version of Lord Jesus' above answer:

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV


That means the ONE TAKEN will be LIKE A DEAD CARCASE WHERE THOSE FOWLS WILL BE GATHERED TOGETHER. And what do fowls do with a dead CARCASE?

THAT IS NOT ABOUT THOSE LEFT-BEHIND, IT IS THOSE FIRST ONES TAKEN... THAT ARE LIKE THE DEAD CARCASE!

Since half are taken in the two back to back models of Jesus, and you say the wicked are taken, thar means before the flood( Jesus exact setting), half the world is wicked, and half righteous.
Just ludicrous.

Your deal is so busted and impossible.
But you need that reframing of God's word to make it "work".
Your deal is impossible.
Never has, and never will fit.

Your deal also needs virgins ( pure, set aside and, undefiled) , having oil, light, lamps, and waiting for Jesus, ...to be wicked.
To top it off, the virgin parable has the same setting as the Noah analogy of normal life,
Commerce, and planning for the future.

What a waste.. so much you have invested, and never actually discovered what is written.

 

[Davy]

Since half are taken in the two back to back models of Jesus, and you say the wicked are taken, thar means before the flood( Jesus exact setting), half the world is wicked, and half righteous.
Just ludicrous.
....

You spend more... time in your response SHOWING YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ than actually addressing that Luke 17 Bible Scripture.

You're just dreaming up excuses to keep your vain trust in man's false Pre-trib Rapture doctrine instead of heeding God's written Word there in Luke 17.

 

[David in NJ]

I'll be participating in the Lord's rescues of His faithful

It's too bad some don't believe there will be a rescue and their unbelief will cause them to be left behind.

Sad. But, oh well it's not like they were not informed.

It's too bad some don't believe there will be a rescue and their unbelief will cause them to be left behind.

Please explain

 

[David in NJ]

Time is up!! Will you be caught up to left behind?? YOUR CHOICE!!

Time is up when the LORD Returns = 1 Thess 1:10

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.