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Any one Christian knows exactly with verse from the bible.. my question is, which comes first the rapture or the seven years tribulation.. thanks
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I believe there is no seven year trib, scripture never mentions it. It does however mention a 3.5 year Great trib. So, the birth pains come first, then rapture, then the 3.5 year Great Trib.algie said:Any one Christian knows exactly with verse from the bible.. my question is, which comes first the rapture or the seven years tribulation.. thanks
The Tribulation comes first.algie said:Any one Christian knows exactly with verse from the bible.. my question is, which comes first the rapture or the seven years tribulation.. thanks
Verse 29 is speaking about the tribulation of birth pains. The term "tribulation" is separate from"the great tribulation". Two different things.Butch5 said:The Tribulation comes first.
29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 "And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Mat 24:29-31 NKJ)
That teaching, of the "rapture" and the great tribulation, is an innovation of the 19th century. It was never taught as an accepted interpretation before John Darby popularized it in 19th century England. And it subsequently became popular in the USA. But "popular" does not mean "factual." It it were an important teaching then the Church would have emphasized it from the beginning rather than saying nothing about it for 1800 years.algie said:Any one Christian knows exactly with verse from the bible.. my question is, which comes first the rapture or the seven years tribulation.. thanks
Incorrect. The rapture is indeed biblical. The first resurrection in 1 Thess 4:16 NIV, 1 Thess 5:10 NIV, Rev 20:4-6 NIV will actually precede the rapture in Matt 24:40-41 NIV, 1 Thess 4:14-17 NIV, 1 Thess 5:10 NIV. Also, scripture clearly specifies a great tribulation, and it also specifies that it lasts 3.5 years.JimParker said:That teaching, of the "rapture" and the great tribulation, is an innovation of the 19th century. It was never taught as an accepted interpretation before John Darby popularized it in 19th century England. And it subsequently became popular in the USA. But "popular" does not mean "factual." It it were an important teaching then the Church would have emphasized it from the beginning rather than saying nothing about it for 1800 years.
<<Incorrect. The rapture is indeed biblical.>>ATP said:Incorrect. The rapture is indeed biblical.
No silly, Matt 24:40-41 and also 1 Thess 4:16 is a part of the 66 books in the Holy Bible. Notice 2 Tim 3 says ALL scripture..JimParker said:<<Incorrect. The rapture is indeed biblical.>>
That those still alive when the Lord comes will be caught up into the air is specifically stated at 1Th 4:16. That has been taught since the beginning of the Church.
whateverATP said:No silly, Matt 24:40-41 and also 1 Thess 4:16 is a part of the 66 books in the Holy Bible. Notice 2 Tim 3 says ALL scripture..
2 Tim 3:16-17 NIV All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
The answer is no. No one knows exactly, otherwise there would be no debate on the issue.algie said:Any one Christian knows exactly with verse from the bible.. my question is, which comes first the rapture or the seven years tribulation.. thanks
I believe we can know when the rapture will come. A good study of scripture proves Jesus comes like a thief to nonbelievers. The evidence is there. 1 Thess 5:4 NIV is clear on this matter. Matt 24:36 has unbeliever written all over it. If Matt 24:36 says we will not know the day, then why does 1 Thess 5:4 says we will know. The "Days of Noah" describe the flesh of the world, but scripture clearly states that we are no longer of this world. Matt 24:37-39 NIV. The day of the Lord will come like a thief to (nonbelievers).justaname said:The answer is no. No one knows exactly, otherwise there would be no debate on the issue.
It's not an idea WW, rather it's in the word of God. 1 Thess 4:14-17 NIV For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.Wormwood said:However, the idea of the church being secretly wisped away so God can focus his attention on Israel in the final few years prior to Christ's third return is a relatively new idea that was unknown in the first 1800 years of church history.
It has secret rapture written all over it brother, along with the first resurrection.Wormwood said:I agree that 1 Thess. 4:14-17 is the word of God. However, this does not teach a secret rapture.
Oh really...Matt 24:40-41 NIV Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.Wormwood said:In my estimation, there is nothing in these verses that suggest this is a secretive event, or that unbelievers are "left behind.".