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[Muna]

It's not that angels are human, angels are spirits that serve God. The Greek word angelos is also translated messenger as we find with John the Baptist and even Epaphroditus. The word translated of John is from the same Greek word angelos but there is speaks of a human messenger and not a spirit angel of God.

Angelos G32 - a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

The context shows us when angelos is speaking of a human being, or a spirit being. In each of the verses below 'messenger' was translated from the same Greek word angelos that is also translated elsewhere angel. Humans are the messengers who serve God in flesh on this earth. Angels of God are spirits from heaven who also serve God.

Mt 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mr 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Lu 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Php 2:25 Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.

I have no qualms with this

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Don't feel sorry for me. Sorry for yourself when the truth shall be revealed. :)

WPM and I are revealing the truth very clearly to you and you are still rejecting it. The scriptural evidence against your false doctrine is overwhelming. How about you explain how Jeus was made a little lower than the angels if angels are human messengers. Hmmm?

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

LOL. Assumption is mother of all errors. No I write post for each verse due to size. Why must you be picky on how I write my posts. You are looking for excuses to discredit my position. Grow up.

LOL. You crack me up over and over again. I can't believe you are for real. Your doctrine is being discredited repeatedly by scripture and there's nothing you can do about it. Hebrews 2:9 says that Jesus was made a little lower than the angels. What do you think, that Jesus was made a little lower than human messengers? That's what you'd have to believe since you think angels (Greek: angelos) represent human messengers. You just have no idea how ridiculous your beliefs about this topic are. Everyone else here does, though.

My goodness. No, no, no... you still don't get it.

You get nothing. You just have no idea how extremely weak your arguments are. Your arguments are being destroyed here and in the new thread WPM created as well. You need to give up this charade and admit that you made a mistake believing in this false doctrine and you need to start accepting the truth.

Unlike Elect, when an unbelievers physically die, their souls enter a state of absolute silence—a place where life, as we know it, ceases. There is no knowledge, no feeling, no consciousness, no hearing, and no speech—until the voice of the archangel calls them to rise and stand before the Son of Man for judgment!

Wow, you just continue to reveal more and more false doctrines that you believe in! It's stunning! Now, you are revealing that you believe in soul sleep. How can you be an amil and believe in soul sleep? Who do you think the martryed, physically dead souls are that John saw reigning with Christ? I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even believe in heaven. There seems to be no end to the number of false beliefs that you have.

This is the reality of Hades or Tartarus.

Now, you're trying to act like Hades and Tartraus are the same thing. They are not. You will go to any length to twist scripture to fit your doctrrine. That is clear. You're no different than pretribs in that way. You need to sincerely ask God for wisdom, because it's quite clear that you've never done so before (James 1:5-7). If you do that, you might start learning some things.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's not that angels are human, angels are spirits that serve God.

You need to tell @TribulationSigns this instead of giving a like to all of his posts and encouraging him to continue promoting his false doctrine that says angels, including Satan, don't exist (are not real spirit beings).

 

[TribulationSigns]

WPM and I are revealing the truth very clearly to you and you are still rejecting it. The scriptural evidence against your false doctrine is overwhelming.

LOL. Not even close!

How about you explain how Jeus was made a little lower than the angels if angels are human messengers. Hmmm?

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

I did last night with a lengthy post. You either are blind or too lazy to find it and read.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You need to tell @TribulationSigns this instead of giving a like to all of his posts and encouraging him to continue promoting his false doctrine that says angels, including Satan, don't exist (are not real spirit beings).

Show me a verse in Scripture where God "created" your fairytale about the feathered angels (or demons), exactly.

 

[rwb]

I have no qualms with this

Good, the point I continue to argue is the belief the Bible tells us that Satan is NOT, and never has been a spirit messenger (angel) of God, who rebelled against God and became an evil spirit messenger with a myriad of titles that define his evil character. When one has a proper understanding of the Greek word angelos this truth is seen more clearly.

It seems there are some in this discussion having a very hard time accepting that the evil spirit called Satan, reflected as a serpent was created with a nature, cunning and crafty in a bad way from the beginning. Created to try the hearts and minds of A&E. And that he is called the father of lies and a murderer from the beginning of creation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Show me a verse in Scripture where God "created" your fairytale about the feathered angels (or demons), exactly.

Scripture repeatedly teaches the existence of angels (Who said they are feathered? - LOL), so how do you think they came to be. Just randomly? Hello? Your belief that angels don't exist is being DESTROYED repeatedly in this thread and in the new thread WPM created about this topic. I notice that you are not even attempting to refute the arguments being made in that new thread. No surprise.

Tell me, how was Jesus made a little lower than the angels (Heb 2:9) if angels are human? He was made human. So, He was not made a little lower than humans. Hello? Please stop being stubborn and just admit you have made a mistake believing that angels don't exist and start believing the truth instead.

 

[TribulationSigns]

LOL. You crack me up over and over again. I can't believe you are for real. Your doctrine is being discredited repeatedly by scripture and there's nothing you can do about it. Hebrews 2:9 says that Jesus was made a little lower than the angels. What do you think, that Jesus was made a little lower than human messengers? That's what you'd have to believe since you think angels (Greek: angelos) represent human messengers. You just have no idea how ridiculous your beliefs about this topic are. Everyone else here does, though.

Everyone? No, RWB read my post and liked it. Perhaps, you can ask him to guide you to my post that you didn't seem to read at all.

You get nothing. You just have no idea how extremely weak your arguments are. Your arguments are being destroyed here and in the new thread WPM created as well. You need to give up this charade and admit that you made a mistake believing in this false doctrine and you need to start accepting the truth.

Say a natural man who denies the love of the Truth. :-)

Wow, you just continue to reveal more and more false doctrines that you believe in! It's stunning! Now, you are revealing that you believe in soul sleep. How can you be an amil and believe in soul sleep? Who do you think the martryed, physically dead souls are that John saw reigning with Christ? I wouldn't be surprised if you don't even believe in heaven. There seems to be no end to the number of false beliefs that you have.

You allow your foul mouth going rampant without thinking carefully. Sound like you are confused with some things.

I never teach or suggest that the believing dead will experience a soul sleep. They immediately go into heaven when they physically dead. BUT THE REST OF THE DEAD, those who do not believe Christ and have not yet experienced the first resurrection which is being BORN AGAIN in Christ like the believers did. Their unbelieving souls will go "sleep" or in silence.

Think..

God is making here is that The rest of the dead (The unsaved who die), they do not live again until the second resurrection. That is the resurrection of these rest of the dead, these souls of the unsaved who have died. These who weren't raised up from death to new life in the "First Resurrection" of Christ. These don't live again (or have conscious existence) until what is the next resurrection not the first, when they will be raised up to stand for judgment. Until then, they live not. They are in a place or state of silence where they have no conscience existence where they can speak to anyone. Here's my simple chart:

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1st Death: The death in Adam, where as Federal head He brought all of mankind into the bondage of sin requiring its wages, which was death death, the separation of man from God. Any non-believers who leave this earth in physical death having not been raised up in Christ's first resurrection do not live (their souls have no conscious existence) again until the 2nd resurrection.

1st Resurrection: Every single believer who was Dead from the Sin of Adam, has been raised up from the dead to new life in the second Adam, Jesus Christ, has had part in His 1st resurrection. As part of the being the "First Born From The Dead" the penalty of sin of death (the second death) cannot harm them. for they can never die. ...He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

2nd Resurrection: At The second coming, at the last trumpet, at the last day, when those Saints that are alive will be raised up to meet Jesus in the air, and Judgment of the unsaved who are living will occur. The unbelievers who have died will be raised up from their soul sleep (the rest of the dead not having been raised in Christ's First Resurrection) to stand for Judgment along with those unsaved who are left on earth.

2nd Death: The Judgment that is meted out By GOD upon the unsaved. It is HELL! There shall be weeping and grinding of teeth! This is the death that the wages of sin brings forth. It's punishment. The 1st Resurrection (Those raised in Christ) have no need to worry about this, as the power of the Cross of Christ (1st Resurrection) has taken away the sting of death.

And so we see that when people die, the destinations are totally different. The saved in their souls go to live and reign with Christ (because they, resurrected in Christ, can never die) and the unsaved go down to silence (some call it soul sleep, I prefer the biblical terms of "not living again") until they are resurrected from that non-life, or non-conscious existence to stand before God's throne and be judged. In short, the souls of the Saints go to reign and praise God for evermore, and the souls of the rest of the dead wait in non-life non-conscious state of silence for the final judgment.

Psalms 115:17-18

• "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
• But we will bless the LORD from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the LORD."

Here again, one contrasted with the other. the souls of the saints continue on to bless the lord from now and forevermore because we never see this death in silence that the unsaved see.

Psalms 88:10-12

• "Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
• Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?
• Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?"

Shall the unbelieving dead arise and praise God? No, only the living saints who never die will praise Him forever more. Selah. As contrasted with the scriptures declaring that the saved who die will cease not to say Holy, Holy, Holy. That can only be because they live after death with Christ, while the unsaved dead know NOTHING as they are in a state of forgetfulness (soul sleep) until they are raised in the 2nd resurrection to be judged.

This is in line perfectly with what Jesus told the thief on the cross whom He included:

Luke 23:42-43

• "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
• And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

For this theft to be with Christ who was risen to the throne of God in paradise, he has to be a living soul, because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

Philippians 1:21

• "For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain."

To die for the Christian is gain not because Paul goes to soul sleep, but because Paul's soul is immediately in the paradise of God where he will live and reign with Him. This is the gain, which is a far better place than this sin-cursed earth.

Selah!

Now, you're trying to act like Hades and Tartraus are the same thing. They are not. You will go to any length to twist scripture to fit your doctrrine. That is clear. You're no different than pretribs in that way. You need to sincerely ask God for wisdom, because it's quite clear that you've never done so before (James 1:5-7). If you do that, you might start learning some things.

Blah blah blah. Talking like a pharisee who do not like hearing what Christ talked about. That is your problem.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Everyone? No, RWB read my post and liked it. Perhaps, you can ask him to guide you to my post that you didn't seem to read at all.

To like a post doesn't mean you agree with everything said in it. He has made it clear in other posts that he does believe in the existence of angels and that they are spirit beings, unlike you. And I know he wasn't realizing what you actually believe (that angels don't exist, including Satan) before because I had to tell him.

Say a natural man who denies the love of the Truth. :-)

More empty words from you. You are stubbornly refusing to accept the truth being presented to you. Tell me, how was it that Jesus was made a little lower than the angels (Heb 2:9) if angels are human messengers?

You allow your foul mouth going rampant without thinking carefully. Sound like you are confused with some things.

I never teach or suggest that the believing dead will experience a soul sleep. They immediately go into heaven when they physically dead. BUT THE REST OF THE DEAD, those who do not believe Christ and have not yet experienced the first resurrection which is being BORN AGAIN in Christ like the believers did. Their unbelieving souls will go "sleep" or in silence.

That is false. Read Luke 16:19-31. The rich man that Jesus talked about was obviously an unbeliever and was in hell (Hades) and he was conscious. So, once again, your belief is not based on scripture, but on our imagination. You should accept what Jesus taught about this instead of just believing what you want instead.

Think..

God is making here is that The rest of the dead (The unsaved who die), they do not live again until the second resurrection.

They are not BODILY resurrected until then. Their souls and spirits are conscious in the meantime in hell/Hades. You have no ability to understand the context of scripture. It's a miracle that you are even an Amil. I'm not sure if you get anything right other than understanding that the thousand years do not occur after Christ returns.

 

[rwb]

Everyone? No, RWB read my post and liked it. Perhaps, you can ask him to guide you to my post that you didn't seem to read at all.

Apparently in proving that Satan is not a fallen angel of God before he rebelled against God interferes with some pet doctrine he holds. He won't accept truth because he would then have to admit and adopt all 5 doctrines of Sovereign grace called TULIP that his much pride refuses to allow.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Scripture repeatedly teaches the existence of angels (Who said they are feathered? - LOL), so how do you think they came to be.

Well, I am waiting... show the verses exactly where God created "angels" in "heaven".

Yes, I am making fun of your belief in "feathered angels" because that is how you have been taught in Sunday School.

Just randomly? Hello? Your belief that angels don't exist is being DESTROYED repeatedly in this thread and in the new thread WPM created about this topic. I notice that you are not even attempting to refute the arguments being made in that new thread. No surprise.

Only in your mind that what deceives you. You have not refuted anything I teach so far.

Tell me, how was Jesus made a little lower than the angels (Heb 2:9) if angels are human? He was made human. So, He was not made a little lower than humans. Hello? Please stop being stubborn and just admit you have made a mistake believing that angels don't exist and start believing the truth instead.

Look it up. You missed it because you were sleeping last night.

 

[rwb]

Everyone? No, RWB read my post and liked it. Perhaps, you can ask him to guide you to my post that you didn't seem to read at all.



Say a natural man who denies the love of the Truth. :-)



You allow your foul mouth going rampant without thinking carefully. Sound like you are confused with some things.

I never teach or suggest that the believing dead will experience a soul sleep. They immediately go into heaven when they physically dead. BUT THE REST OF THE DEAD, those who do not believe Christ and have not yet experienced the first resurrection which is being BORN AGAIN in Christ like the believers did. Their unbelieving souls will go "sleep" or in silence.

Think..

God is making here is that The rest of the dead (The unsaved who die), they do not live again until the second resurrection. That is the resurrection of these rest of the dead, these souls of the unsaved who have died. These who weren't raised up from death to new life in the "First Resurrection" of Christ. These don't live again (or have conscious existence) until what is the next resurrection not the first, when they will be raised up to stand for judgment. Until then, they live not. They are in a place or state of silence where they have no conscience existence where they can speak to anyone. Here's my simple chart:

​

1st Death: The death in Adam, where as Federal head He brought all of mankind into the bondage of sin requiring its wages, which was death death, the separation of man from God. Any non-believers who leave this earth in physical death having not been raised up in Christ's first resurrection do not live (their souls have no conscious existence) again until the 2nd resurrection.

1st Resurrection: Every single believer who was Dead from the Sin of Adam, has been raised up from the dead to new life in the second Adam, Jesus Christ, has had part in His 1st resurrection. As part of the being the "First Born From The Dead" the penalty of sin of death (the second death) cannot harm them. for they can never die. ...He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

2nd Resurrection: At The second coming, at the last trumpet, at the last day, when those Saints that are alive will be raised up to meet Jesus in the air, and Judgment of the unsaved who are living will occur. The unbelievers who have died will be raised up from their soul sleep (the rest of the dead not having been raised in Christ's First Resurrection) to stand for Judgment along with those unsaved who are left on earth.

2nd Death: The Judgment that is meted out By GOD upon the unsaved. It is HELL! There shall be weeping and grinding of teeth! This is the death that the wages of sin brings forth. It's punishment. The 1st Resurrection (Those raised in Christ) have no need to worry about this, as the power of the Cross of Christ (1st Resurrection) has taken away the sting of death.

And so we see that when people die, the destinations are totally different. The saved in their souls go to live and reign with Christ (because they, resurrected in Christ, can never die) and the unsaved go down to silence (some call it soul sleep, I prefer the biblical terms of "not living again") until they are resurrected from that non-life, or non-conscious existence to stand before God's throne and be judged. In short, the souls of the Saints go to reign and praise God for evermore, and the souls of the rest of the dead wait in non-life non-conscious state of silence for the final judgment.

Psalms 115:17-18

• "The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
• But we will bless the LORD from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the LORD."

Here again, one contrasted with the other. the souls of the saints continue on to bless the lord from now and forevermore because we never see this death in silence that the unsaved see.

Psalms 88:10-12

• "Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
• Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?
• Shall thy wonders be known in the dark? and thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?"

Shall the unbelieving dead arise and praise God? No, only the living saints who never die will praise Him forever more. Selah. As contrasted with the scriptures declaring that the saved who die will cease not to say Holy, Holy, Holy. That can only be because they live after death with Christ, while the unsaved dead know NOTHING as they are in a state of forgetfulness (soul sleep) until they are raised in the 2nd resurrection to be judged.

This is in line perfectly with what Jesus told the thief on the cross whom He included:

Luke 23:42-43

• "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
• And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise."

For this theft to be with Christ who was risen to the throne of God in paradise, he has to be a living soul, because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

Philippians 1:21

• "For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain."

To die for the Christian is gain not because Paul goes to soul sleep, but because Paul's soul is immediately in the paradise of God where he will live and reign with Him. This is the gain, which is a far better place than this sin-cursed earth.

Selah!



Blah blah blah. Talking like a pharisee who do not like hearing what Christ talked about. That is your problem.

They have to continue to deflect rather than answer what is actually said, because even they realize how futile it is to argue against the Word of God!

 

[Muna]

Good, the point I continue to argue is the belief the Bible tells us that Satan is NOT, and never has been a spirit messenger (angel) of God, who rebelled against God and became an evil spirit messenger with a myriad of titles that define his evil character. When one has a proper understanding of the Greek word angelos this truth is seen more clearly.

It seems there are some in this discussion having a very hard time accepting that the evil spirit called Satan, reflected as a serpent was created with a nature, cunning and crafty in a bad way from the beginning. Created to try the hearts and minds of A&E. And that he is called the father of lies and a murderer from the beginning of creation.

Do you agree or disagree with this?

TribulationSigns posted on another thread we were on this...

I hope you understand that Satan is NOT an angel or even created being as most thought (more on this some other time).

But Tribulations signs had also posted

"Satan doesn't give command to Apollyon, Satan "is" Apollyon"

Who is shown as AN ANGEL here

Rev 9:11 And they had A KING over them, WHICH IS THE ANGEL of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name "APOLLYON"

 

[Muna]

I think I am on the worng thread

 

[rwb]

Do you agree or disagree with this?

TribulationSigns posted on another thread we were on this...

I hope you understand that Satan is NOT an angel or even created being as most thought (more on this some other time).

But Tribulations signs had also posted

"Satan doesn't give command to Apollyon, Satan "is" Apollyon"

Who is shown as AN ANGEL here

Rev 9:11 And they had A KING over them, WHICH IS THE ANGEL of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name "APOLLYON"

Truly, I believe what I believe because I have learned it from the Word of God. I do agree with TS on the FACT that Satan is NOT a fallen angel! Never was, because from the beginning he is, was, and always shall be the father of lies and a murderer.

Abaddon and Apollyon are NOT angels! Angels are ministering spirits sent to minister to the heirs of salvation (Heb. 1:14). The king of the bottomless pit is the MESSENGER of all evil. This is why I made a point to show angelos translated messenger instead of angel leaves the student of the Word to determine according to context whether the given messenger is an angel messenger of God, or a human/spirit messenger of evil.

Revelation 9:11 (KJV) And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

See for yourself! Discover wherever angelos has been translated angel what make sense and does not cause contradiction or confusion. Is the passage speaking of a human messenger or a spirit messenger? If spirit what make more sense is it an angel of God or a demonic spirit?

 

[rwb]

I think I am on the worng thread

LOL Don't worry about it, we are all over the place on this topic of angel spirits, and demonic spirits and who they belong to!

 

[Muna]

Truly, I believe what I believe because I have learned it from the Word of God. I do agree with TS on the FACT that Satan is NOT a fallen angel! Never was, because from the beginning he is, was, and always shall be the father of lies and a murderer.

Abaddon and Apollyon are NOT angels! Angels are ministering spirits sent to minister to the heirs of salvation (Heb. 1:14). The king of the bottomless pit is the MESSENGER of all evil. This is why I made a point to show angelos translated messenger instead of angel leaves the student of the Word to determine according to context whether the given messenger is an angel messenger of God, or a human/spirit messenger of evil.

Revelation 9:11 (KJV) And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

See for yourself! Discover wherever angelos has been translated angel what make sense and does not cause contradiction or confusion. Is the passage speaking of a human messenger or a spirit messenger? If spirit what make more sense is it an angel of God or a demonic spirit?

Here it is

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

aggelos

AV — angel 179, messenger 7

 

[rwb]

Here it is

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

aggelos

AV — angel 179, messenger 7

We know angels of God are spirits. The problem arises when believing that Satan is or was an angel of God until he rebelled against God and became the evil spirit called Satan.

Here for instance: Revelation 9:11 (KJV) And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Is this king translated "angel" the spirit angel of God or is he the spirit of Satan?

What about this passage? John was instructed to write what he sees and send it to seven churches. John sees in the right hand of the one speaking to him "seven stars", the one speaking tells John these seven stars and the angels of the seven churches.

Are the seven stars translated 'angels' spirit angels of God or are they depicting human messengers of God sent to rule over the churches through the Spirit of Christ in them?

Revelation 1:11 (KJV) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:16 (KJV) And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Revelation 1:19-20 (KJV) Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

 

[Zao is life]

Do you hear voices talking to you? Because the things you say about this implies that every human being since BEFORE the fall has a voice within himself that is a part of himself, talking to himself.

You are mixing truth with absolute falsehood, and mixing truth with lies produces a toxic concoction.

Satan is not omnipresent, so he cannot personally inhabit billions of people at once.

True, but he has lots of other rebellious fallen spirit-beings that he rules over, a.k.a demons.

False:

Therefore, what is called “Satan” in each person is their own rebellious spirit — the nature inherited from Adam’s fall. It is not “one great red dragon” controlling everyone, but the collective manifestation of human depravity.

Was God talking to Eve's 'inner devil" in Genesis 3:15?

All humanity except Christ are descendants of Adam and Eve, and Eve was not talking to herself in the Garden of Eden, BEFORE the fall.

Nor does Satan have any power to deceive until his lies are believed by human beings - light does not give power to darkness. Truth does not give power to lies. God does not give power to Satan.

Human beings give power to Satan - through their believing of his lies. This is how he became and has remained "The prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience." (Ephesians 2:2).

The Word of God is truth and light and life, and in the Garden of Eden Adam and Eve had knowledge of it - BEFORE they sinned, and they sinned because they believed the lie:

"You shall not sure die".

God had said,

"..in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die"

You said that this "devil in us" is "the nature we inherited from Adam's fall." So according to you, human beings, who were created in the image and likeness of God, were created with that nature, before the fall, and it was "the devil within" that Eve first heard "talking to herself".

So you mix some true statements with truly devilish false statements, creating a toxic concoction:

When people say, “The devil made me do it,” they reveal their misunderstanding. The real enemy is within — our own spirit of rebellion against God. Anything less than this truth contradicts Scripture itself. Selah.

It's not even a "misunderstanding" they reveal when they say "the devil MADE me do it". It's their excuse. Plain and simple. THE ONLY thing human beings can say is "the devil deceived me.", but now we have the light - and Jesus says that not even "the devil deceived me" is an excuse anymore:

"And this is the condemnation, that the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." (John 3:19).

Straight afterward Jesus said that they hide from the light so that their own evil deeds do not become exposed - which is exactly what Adam did - and God could have left him in that fallen state - but instead in His grace and the multitude of His tender mercies God CALLED him - the light of the Word of God already began shining into the darkness.

According to Matthew 4:1–11, your conclusion stems from a flawed traditional doctrine — one that assumes a literal, personal conversation between Jesus and a supernatural being called “the devil.”

You talk absolute nonsense and have failed to understand the fact that because Jesus is THE LAST ADAM, he was tested of the devil the way the first man Adam was - who (the first Adam) was deceived by the devil's words - but INSTEAD OF quoting the Word of God to Satan (the way Jesus did), Adam believed the devil's words, and so Adam sinned - and death instead of eternal life became his inheritance, just as God had said.

This is why Jesus quoted the Word of God to Satan each time, saying, "It is written" - showing WHOSE WORD He believed.

Jesus was not being tested of Himself - what you say implies that even the Son of God, who is the last Adam, had "a devil in Himself" to test Him - which is absolutely blasphemous. It's even worse than saying that UNLESS Satan is bound or "his power" restricted, THE LIGHT of the gospel cannot shine through the Holy Spirit of God in the hearts and minds of human beings, calling them to salvation in Christ, or the gospel could not be spread if Satan were not "bound" in terms of his ability to deceive human beings, because somehow the Holy Spirit would not be powerful enough - which is the false doctrine that those who love to mock and insult YOU (@Spiritual Israelite and @WPM) insist upon.

Copy @Truly FYI