The last day is climactic. It is shown in the Bible to be the end. It sees the immediate resurrection/ judgment. It is not 1000 years of anything. That contradicts multiple Scriptures.
Rapture ... soon?
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soberxp
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Here is something that just crossed my mind. One gets married and sets out to start a family, thus impregnates his wife. 6 months into her pregnancy Christ returns. What then happens to the unborn child? Most Christians are against abortions. What about Christ? Is Christ for abortions or against abortions since there is still this unborn child to factor in here per this scenario?. BTW, per Premil this could work out in the end, maybe. But how could it work out per Amil?
And.... everything God does is for His own glory.
I know your point, and I disagree with it. For the reasons cited before and more. <smile> When God commanded first Adam and Eve and later Noah and his wife to "be fruitful and multiply"... Do you think that commandment... covenant, actually... made first Adam and then remade with Noah after the flood became obsolete and no longer applied when Jesus was born to Mary? Well:
I love that GIF... <smile>
And I hope you'll agree that being fruitful and multiplying is not to happen outside the context of marriage...
Ah, there it is. So this is a Catholic rant. IIIIIIIII seeeeeeeeeeeee... <smile>
No, since marriage is a covenant ~ a three-way covenant, actually, the man and the woman entering into a covenant with God ~ it should be done in the context of worshiping God. But it doesn't have to occur inside a church building. I've been to some outside weddings in my day, and that can be just as worshipful a setting. It is God's creation, after all...
Grace and peace to you.
There us only one prerequisite for salvation, that one believes that Jesus died fornour sins, was buried and rose from the dead according to the scriptures.
I know JW's theology. Ask any of them and they would claim to believe in that statement.
Granted they have false doctrines, are non-Trinitarian, believe Jesus is Michael, but I don't think that invalidates their faith. I often thought it was a disgrace and dishonor, since in this belief system, that He is a angel, that They are obedient to His Word to the tune of legalism, a faith + works religion. But Catholics practice a faith + works salvation.
As far as Calvinists, they are believers too.
Let's leave the judgments to God!
Grailhunter
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No it is not, what the Protestants did was right.
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Here is what happened. Families started eating each other in Jeruslam during the Wrath of God, was coming down upon them.
They were in a famine and its rough and their sources of food got cut off and they had nothing else to do but eat their family members just as Jesus said concerning, husband turning on wife, wife to husband, to children. Etc.
It's all documented.
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The account you're referring to is deeply rooted in both biblical prophecy and historical documentation, particularly surrounding the sieges of Jerusalem—most notably during the Babylonian siege in 586 BC and the Roman siege in AD 70. Here's a breakdown of what happened and how it's been recorded:
Biblical Prophecies and Warnings
Several passages in the Bible foretold or described cannibalism as a consequence of divine judgment during times of siege and famine:- Jeremiah 19:9: “I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another’s flesh in the siege…” This was a prophetic warning to Jerusalem about the horrors that would come due to their disobedience.
- Deuteronomy 28:53–57: Moses warned that if Israel turned away from God, they would suffer such severe famine during siege that even the most tender-hearted would eat their own children.
- Ezekiel 5:10: “Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers…” This passage emphasizes the extremity of judgment upon Jerusalem.
- Lamentations 4:10: “The hands of compassionate women have cooked their own children…” This verse mourns the aftermath of Jerusalem’s destruction, likely during the Babylonian siege.
Historical Accounts: Josephus and the Roman Siege (AD 70)
The most vivid extra-biblical account comes from Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian who witnessed the Roman siege of Jerusalem:- In The Wars of the Jews, Book VI, Josephus recounts the story of a woman named Mary who, driven by starvation, killed and ate her own child. This horrifying event was not isolated—it reflected the desperation and breakdown of society during the siege.
- Josephus describes widespread famine, internal violence, and betrayal among families—echoing Jesus’ words in the Gospels about family members turning against each other during tribulation (e.g., Matthew 10:21, Luke 21:16).
Spiritual Interpretations
Some Christian interpretations view these events as symbolic of spiritual famine and the breakdown of love and community:- The Babylonian captivity and destruction of Jerusalem are seen as precursors to the Great Tribulation described in the New Testament.
- Famine is interpreted not only as physical hunger but as a lack of spiritual nourishment—leading to hatred, betrayal, and moral collapse.
Grailhunter
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The Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe Yeshua is divine. No salvation possible with in their religion.
And Calvinism can lead to hell.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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The "SUDDENLY" applies directly to each person's extremely brief life on this earth.
I asked what everyone thought and most said "no, false prophet". I gave Joshua the benefit of the doubt. Old Testament prophets were not readily accepted. They got the same treatment as these forum members served up. They had to be tested. How could they know otherwise. I am sure they greeted them with a similar knee jerk rejection like most of you.
In the beginning of the thread, most didn't even watch the video before making a judgment. With Amils, any Pre-Mil interpretation about any eschatological insight is immediately rejected, with not much thought, which is why I did not invite them, but they showed up in blazing saddles with their machetes.
I will call it a false prophecy when this Julian date plays out. He seems to believe what he is saying. To fall back on this alternate Calendar (if he knew he was lying) would only be a temporary delay from the same reaction and even worse..So then the possibility is that he was deceived by Satan, who disguised himself as a angel of light. ??? I can usually discern evil spirits, and somethings sounded off, but most of the ducks seemed to be lined up. October 9, I'll call it. Still, my life wasn't disrupted or disturbed in any way- didn't do anything drastic. There are no physical preparations one can make anyways if you believed Jesus was going to Rapture His church... all you can do is believe in Jesus and pray.
They are confused about His divinity true. But Jesus Himself did not regard His equality with God as something to be grasped. And man still has a problem with that. I disagree about the rest and hope you are wrong.
The LAST DAY must be a standard day, why?
Because the dead are raised on the Last Day
How much sense would it make to have the Last Day be a 1000 years long?
A day is in context in scripture here as a day
Also is the Day of judgment a 1000 years long?
Is the appointed DAY not just a day?
Acts 17:30-32
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.”
Because the dead are raised on the Last Day
How much sense would it make to have the Last Day be a 1000 years long?
A day is in context in scripture here as a day
Also is the Day of judgment a 1000 years long?
Is the appointed DAY not just a day?
Acts 17:30-32
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30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.”
- John 6:39
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 6:40
And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 6:54
Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 7:37
The Promise of the Holy Spirit
On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - John 12:48
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Ok, very well but Oct 9th is far outside his given timeframe for his prediction.
Jerusalem was besieged by the Roman army on April 14th, 70 CE, just days before Passover that year. The timing was strategic—Roman forces under General Titus allowed pilgrims to enter the city for the festival but then blocked their exit, intensifying the strain on food and water supplies inside the cityBritannica.
This siege marked a pivotal moment in the First Jewish–Roman War, ultimately leading to the destruction of the Second Temple and a profound transformation in Jewish history and religious practice.
If you're exploring this for a creative project, Matthew, the symbolism of Passover—freedom and deliverance—clashing with the onset of destruction could be a powerful motif. Want to riff on that?
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My view gives you nothing to talk about anymore it seems.
But there is a millions of hours worth you can produce through videos talking about scriptures just one chapter at a time verse by verse....
Yet my view - screws with all the hope people have concerning the "COMING OF JESUS" today.... lol and they hate that and I get why they hate it cause they are older than me, or younger than me, thinking that everything their mom, dad, grandpa, grandma taught them is just the truth that can never be turned upside down on its head.
Sorry, God can even shake your own faith down, if it is not able to stand.... so... I mean
you can keep fighting for whatever you believe is right, but some of the things people and what they defend aren't always right.
Also dont invovle being a Christian in politics.... Jesus was never political. So stop it. Not saying there isnt some good advice for us to take within the bible as far as a peoples, but....
You need to get the whole idea of the USA being a Christian nation out of your head. It will never be cause you need everyone in the nation to say they believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus to be so... otherwise the whole idea is just a null void.
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oh yeah so whats matthew hope? Going to heaven to be with God, I hope so im not promised it or anything, but most certianly, there is people outside of the kingdom of God that are also living.... and I hope people to go into the lake of fire by choice and come to the turth of Yeshua who did everything none of us ever could.
My view gives you nothing to talk about anymore it seems.
But there is a millions of hours worth you can produce through videos talking about scriptures just one chapter at a time verse by verse....
Yet my view - screws with all the hope people have concerning the "COMING OF JESUS" today.... lol and they hate that and I get why they hate it cause they are older than me, or younger than me, thinking that everything their mom, dad, grandpa, grandma taught them is just the truth that can never be turned upside down on its head.
Sorry, God can even shake your own faith down, if it is not able to stand.... so... I mean
you can keep fighting for whatever you believe is right, but some of the things people and what they defend aren't always right.
Also dont invovle being a Christian in politics.... Jesus was never political. So stop it. Not saying there isnt some good advice for us to take within the bible as far as a peoples, but....
You need to get the whole idea of the USA being a Christian nation out of your head. It will never be cause you need everyone in the nation to say they believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus to be so... otherwise the whole idea is just a null void.
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oh yeah so whats matthew hope? Going to heaven to be with God, I hope so im not promised it or anything, but most certianly, there is people outside of the kingdom of God that are also living.... and I hope people to go into the lake of fire by choice and come to the turth of Yeshua who did everything none of us ever could.
The Old Julian Calendar is 13 days behind our Gregorian Calendar. It would be then Oct. 7th -8th with a Super/ Full Harvest moon @ 6:47 AM on the 7th. Hey, God works in mysterious ways. We used that calendar from 45 BC through the 16th Century. Eastern Orthodox continued to use it til 1929, then they revised it to conform to The Gregorian, just adding days. The Jewish Calendar was changed in the 4th Century with added mathmetical rules and an occasional extra month, restrictions prohibiting holidays to fall on certain days of the week. Who knows what day it really is. Is it the 2nd day the week or 5th according to God? The Jews have likely have been celebration Sabbaths and holy days on the wrongs days. Wouldn't that be God's sense of humor since they are blind to Christ, for them believe otherwise, that they have been good boys and girls.
He still loves them and is not done with them yet.
Bladerunner
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Would you listen?? I doubt it...Look up the Rapture with John Macarthur and only an handful of other pastors who teach GOD's WORD as it is written. There you will hear/read all the scripture
that you need to understand that the Rapture is not the Lord returning to earth as is told in Revelation. That is the second coming where all the earth will see and hear Him.....The Rapture is for those in His Church, His Body, His Bride and as in the last 40 days after His resurrection, only those who truly love Him will see Him....Millions will disappear in the twinkle of the eye (10 to the -40 power) and the end days will begin.
Welp! Back to the ol’ spiritual roulette wheel, folks—spin it and land on ‘Jesus was just confused’ and ‘the apostles were clearly winging it.’ I mean, who needs divine revelation when you’ve got vibes and a TikTok algorithm?
Surely someone here is qualified to headline the Day of the LORD™—maybe with pyrotechnics and a fog machine? Step right up, prophets of Wi-Fi and vibes!
And don’t forget the sacred mantra: ‘It’s my way or the highway!’—straight from the Gospel of Self, chapter YOLO, verse #Unbothered.”
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