Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

[Willie T]

The tribulation that Christians suffer from Satan and his minions, is NOT the same as the Tribulation which is a time of God's wrath and the wrath of the Lamb being poured out on those who belong to the world.

You have stated the point clearly.... but don't know you did.

There is no coming future event called "The" Tribulation. Jesus told his listeners that they would experience troubles (tribulation) in their lives. Search the Scriptures, and you will not find "THE" Tribulation.

 

[CoreIssue]

I didn't even particularly like the series--thought it was a bit "cheesy". Jerry Jenkins depicts the Antichrist as an ineffectual whiner. I think the Antichrist will be the scariest person imaginable.

With the demon of Alexander the great in him take a look at the life of Alexander to get a taste of what the AC will be.

Charismatic, smart, a warrior, a diplomat, a homosexual, a liar and a megalomaniac.

 

[CoreIssue]

God removed these leaving only the believers who followed Christ.

The Bible doesn't say that. The Israel of the tribulation is vastly dominated by Judaism and secularism.

 

[tzcho2]

There is no direct scriptural support for a 7 year tribulation or pre-trib rapture. If you teach this doctrine it make you a false prophet and a deceiver. The only rapture happens on the last day after the resurrection according to Paul and Jesus. It will be as in the days of Noah at that time, marrying and giving in marriage just as today.

Dave L you are the only one here to elevate yourself as the sole interpreter of the Word of God & you do so by accusing anyone that disagrees with your view as a deceiver and false prophet and your use of those terms in this situation to falsely accuse has no Biblical basis.
Interesting that no one else on this thread, has placed themselves as spokesperson for God but you. The Bible says the hypocrites will be judged by their own words, so you might want to withdraw your conceited, false allegations against other members of the Body of Christ. You are the only one who slanders those that disagree with your views, while you promote your own view as the only "right" one.
There are differences the Body of Christ concerning the Rapture & the Trib and I see no one running around accusing others of being a false prophet or deceiver because of differing views but you.
Everyone else on this thread are content to disagree & debate.
Copperhead shows discernment and speaks the honest truth in his response to you.
You can call me whatever name you care to, I see where it's coming from & your accusations reveal your fruit.

Already did. You are blinded to your own conceit that you don't see it. That's ok. I am not offended or worried. All one can do is point something out and if the person refuses to see it, well, not my problem anymore. So..... go with it.

You can only prove a false prophecy after the event happens and the prophet is proven wrong. That is scripture. You are making false accusations based on no evidence which is slander. False prophet was a capital offense in Israel. You are accusing others of a capital offense on which you have no scriptural basis to prove it. You were advised not to continue on that path, but you remain.

You are a troll that has come in to disrupt the Body. I wouldn't have said that if you would have stopped, but you continued. Now it is confirmed.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

You have stated the point clearly.... but don't know you did.

There is no coming future event called "The" Tribulation. Jesus told his listeners that they would experience troubles (tribulation) in their lives. Search the Scriptures, and you will not find "THE" Tribulation.

Oh no? Try Revelation 7:14.

 

[CoreIssue]

You have stated the point clearly.... but don't know you did.

There is no coming future event called "The" Tribulation. Jesus told his listeners that they would experience troubles (tribulation) in their lives. Search the Scriptures, and you will not find "THE" Tribulation.

The time of testing/trial per revelation 3:10.

It will be a time of tribulation has never seen on the earth before.

Matthew 24:21 New International Version (NIV)
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Revelation 3:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

 

[CoreIssue]

God removed these leaving only the believers who followed Christ.

Prophecy says you are wrong.

Once again you make a declaration without a single verse of proof.

Hard to post what doesn't exists, so you just pontificate.

 

[Waiting on him]

Exactly so. Are you afraid?

I prefer to testify of Christ

 

[Willie T]

The time of testing/trial per revelation 3:10.

It will be a time of tribulation has never seen on the earth before.

Matthew 24:21 New International Version (NIV)
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
Revelation 3:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

As I said, and you verified above, there is no future EVENT called THE TRIBULATION. It is a denominational fabrication invented to fit a preconceived doctrine.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

The Lord Himself issued many warnings.

In fact, the prophet Ezekiel is told in Ezekiel 3:17-19 that he was to be a "watchman on the wall" to warn unbelievers and that, if he did not, that God would require Ezekiel to take the blood of the unbeliever whom he failed to warn.

 

[CoreIssue]

Dave L you are the only one here to elevate yourself as the sole interpreter of the Word of God & you do so by accusing anyone that disagrees with your view as a deceiver and false prophet and your use of those terms in this situation to falsely accuse has no Biblical basis.
Interesting that no one else on this thread, has placed themselves as spokesperson for God but you. The Bible says the hypocrites will be judged by their own words, so you might want to withdraw your conceited, false allegations against other members of the Body of Christ. You are the only one who slanders those that disagree with your views, while you promote your own view as the only "right" one.
There are differences the Body of Christ concerning the Rapture & the Trib and I see no one running around accusing others of being a false prophet or deceiver because of differing views but you.
Everyone else on this thread are content to disagree & debate.
Copperhead shows discernment and speaks the honest truth in his response to you.
You can call me whatever name you care to, I see where it's coming from & your accusations reveal your fruit.

As I said, and you verified above, there is no future EVENT called THE TRIBULATION. It is a denominational fabrication invented to fit a preconceived doctrine.

That's not a very good argument. I never said the Bible labeled the tribulation period anymore then a lot of the terms we use are found in the Bible while still being fully biblical.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

I prefer to testify of Christ

Testifying of Christ is a very good thing to do, but the world in general will think you are just delusional unless they have a fear of God and His judgment as a base for relating to the Good News of Christ. An evangelist (his name escapes me at the moment) gives the illustration of why the "fear of the Lord" is necessary. He said, "Suppose I was riding on a plane and I jumped up and said to the man next to me, 'The Lord loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life'--and then thrust a parachute into his hands? He would think I was at least odd (or worse). But, if the plane's captain announced that the plane was going to crash, suddenly the offer of a parachute will be gratefully received."

 

[Willie T]

Didn't anyone actually READ what Matthew 24 said?

Jesus said that no trouble as bad as it was going to be, had been seen up until "NOW", (until 'then'), the time when He was speaking.... AND, that "nothing as bad would ever be seen again."

 

[CoreIssue]

Didn't anyone actually READ what Matthew 24 said?

Jesus said that no trouble as bad as it was going to be, had been seen up until "NOW", (until 'then'), the time when He was speaking.... AND, that "nothing as bad would ever be seen again."

But it was prophetic for a future time that requires the rapture.

 

[Enoch111]

They all 'sleep' until he Day of Judgement, when God sits on the Great White Throne, after the Millennium. Proved by Daniel 12:13

Another Soul Sleep advocate. But Daniel is Not Hebrews.

 

[Willie T]

But it was prophetic for a future time that requires the rapture.

Only if you pre-decide that has to be what He meant. If you read it for what it says (as we do most of the Bible)… it simply means what it says.

 

[Enoch111]

Didn't anyone actually READ what Matthew 24 said? Jesus said that no trouble as bad as it was going to be, had been seen up until "NOW", (until 'then'), the time when He was speaking.... AND, that "nothing as bad would ever be seen again."

Yes, and that unique Great Tribulation did not happen at any time between the Olivet Discourse and today. PROOF? The sun, moon, and stars are still in their courses as at the time of creation.

But had that Great Tribulation occurred already, all the heavenly bodies would have been totally displaced and vanished!

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Mt 24:29)

Which means that the Second Coming of Christ would have already occurred and we would be way past the Millennium! Look around you and see that the Millennium is not even close. The Tribulation and Great Tribulation are in the relatively near future.

 

[Willie T]

Yes, and that unique Great Tribulation did not happen at any time between the Olivet Discourse and today. PROOF? The sun, moon, and stars are still in their courses as at the time of creation.

But had that Great Tribulation occurred already, all the heavenly bodies would have been totally displaced and vanished!

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (Mt 24:29)

Which means that the Second Coming of Christ would have already occurred and we would be way past the Millennium! Look around you and see that the Millennium is not even close. The Tribulation and Great Tribulation are in the relatively near future.

And what do "The Stars, The Moon, and The Sun stand for in Biblical language? Rocks in the sky? Hardly.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

But it was prophetic for a future time that requires the rapture.

Yes. When Jesus tied His prophecy to that of Daniel 9:27, that set the time as the time of the End (the Day of the Lord).

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

And what do "The Stars, The Moon, and The Sun stand for in Biblical language? Rocks in the sky? Hardly.

You want to tell us how that relates to the discussion??