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  1. Love123

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    Why will people who wait for mark be deceived?Because they will do the work of satan with false doctrines, particularly that of the rapture. Satan is coming first, the Bible is clear on that. He's an angel of light and, as you recognize, he loves to portray himself as Christ because he wants to be worshipped.*We know that..........and the false doctrines have always been..I look for it to unfold................I am Saved and Sealed by the blood of the Lamb....Praise Jesus.Just to be clear, I have no comment on this. I am not here to judge, nor should anyone else be. That's all I have to say there. (I like to try and address all points of a post - just showing I'm not skipping here.)*Normally one does Praise Jesus for a sister or brother in the Lord.Quote:.Post and Pre- trib both stand on scripture............and the supporting .scripture for pre- trib rapture is much stronger and supportive as appose to the few weak verses .............post stand on.With all due respect, what's your definition on weak?1 Corinthians 15:52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.1 Thessalonians 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:2 Thessalonians 2:9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,*ITS OBVIOUS TO EXTENT NOW... BEFORE HE ARRIVES IN FULL POWER.I'm not sure weak is the word when the Bible comes out and states it. These can be found in any version of the KJV Bible and are not based on inferences and false hopes.*Nothing is weak of these scriptures__________________ 1 Corinthians 15:52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.1 Thessalonians 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:*THIS IS HOW THE CHURCH GOES HOME ...............PRAISE JESUS.
     
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    THE POST-TRIBULATION RAPTURE VIEWI am sorry but I see as weak.The Post-Tribulation Rapture View holds that the timing of the rapture coincides with Christ's Second Coming at the end of the Tribulation, i.e. Daniel's Seventieth Week. Those holding to the Post-Tribulation Rapture view believe Christians will go through the Tribulation. Those holding the Post-Tribulation Rapture view understand the real implications Biblical prophecy concerning the Tribulation has upon their lives. As opposed to the Pre-Tribulation view, which in essence offers an "escape" to Christians from the sufferings and persecutions to take place during the Tribulation; the Post-Tribulation view acknowledges the Church's part in the events of the Tribulation, suffering not withstanding.Do the Scriptures show there to be a Post-Tribulation Rapture? Let's look at the main verse on the Rapture and see: "For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first (i.e., the resurrection): then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds (i.e., the rapture), to meet the Lord in the air." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)In addition to 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, which reads,"For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air."One also must look at 1 Corinthian 15: 52 to understanding the scriptural backing of the Post-Tribulation Rapture view. The passage reads,"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."Those accepting the Post-Tribulation Rapture view notice the similarity of the three things mentioned in each book: (1) the trumpet sounds; (2) the resurrection of the dead in Christ; (3) the living saints are changed (which all agree, is when this mortal puts on immortality and believers rise to meet the Lord in the air). Whereas 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 identifies the time of this as "the trump of God," 1 Corinthians 15: 52 further specifies it as the last trump.Even more positive evidence of a Post-Tribulation Rapture is found in Paul's second letter to the Thessalonians. In his first epistle, he had explained to them about the resurrection and the catching up of believers to meet the Lord in the air. (I Thessalonians 4: 16-17) Later, some confusion had apparently developed in the minds of the people concerning this glorious event, so Paul wrote his second epistle to them in which he clarified the matter. In his remarks, he clearly shows there to be a Post-Tribulation Rapture. "Now we beseech you, brethren, by (concerning) the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by (concerning) our gathering together unto Him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed (The Abomination of Desolation by the antichrist at the mid-point of the Tribulation), the son of perdition." (2 Thessalonians 2: 1-3) In support of a Post-Tribulation Rapture, there is mention of two things Christians would clearly witness before the day of Christ's coming to gather believers unto Himself. There would be a falling away and the man of sin would be revealed. Concerning these very things, the inspired apostle said, "Let no man deceive you." These two points, particularly the last point, are only compatible with a Post-Tribulation Rapture.Even Christ's own words point to a Post-Tribulation Rapture. Shortly before His death, Jesus spoke these words to His disciples: "In the world ye shall have tribulation ..." (John 16:33) The verses that follow the prayer in which Jesus prayed for His disciples record what He prayed to the Heavenly Father. He said, "I pray not that thou take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil." (John 17:15) Though it would be no easy task to take a stand for Jesus Christ, though they would be persecuted, though in the world they would have tribulation, Jesus did not pray that the Church would be taken out of the world. The Church was to remain in the world, but it would not be of the world. This is in harmony with the Post-Tribulation Rapture view.Those opposed to the Post-Tribulation Rapture might object, however, that Jesus was praying only for His immediate disciples of that time. This is not the case. "Neither pray I for these alone," He said, "but for them also which shall believe on me through their word" (verse 20). Does this not include us today?Those believing in a Post-Tribulation Rapture accept that instead of the Church being taken out of the world, Jesus taught that it would remain in the world to accomplish a definite purpose: to preach the Gospel. Jesus commissioned His disciples to "go ... and teach all nations" and in connection with this commission He promised, "Lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world (Aion - age)." (Matthew 28:19-20) this passage also proves the Post-Tribulation Rapture view in its belief the Church is to remain in the world until the end.If the Rapture is not to be a Post-Tribulation Rapture, then surely His promise to be with the Church until the end of the age would be strange if it is His plan to remove the Church seven years before that time (or even three and a half years before, as those who subscribe to the Mid-Tribulation Rapture Theory suggest). If, when the end of the age comes, the Church would no longer be on the earth, a promise such as this would be meaningless and a Post-Tribulation Rapture view would be incorrect.Among the Parables of Christ there is also evidence of a Post-Tribulation Rapture. In the Parable of the Wheat and Tares (Matthew 13:24-30) Jesus said that "both" (the wheat and the tares, i.e. true and false believers) would grow "together" until the "end of the world" - and then the harvest would occur, producing the great separation. The harvest occurs at the end of the age, and it is at the time of the harvest that the rapture will occur - right after the tares have been gathered up and burned. The Post-Tribulation Rapture view fits neatly with this parable.Those believing in a Post-Tribulation Rapture also make special note of Christ's words in the Gospel of John:"And this is the will of Him that sent me," Jesus said, "that everyone which seeth the
     
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    THE DOORS OF HEAVEN OPEN TWICE...........ONCE FOR RAPTURE.... ONCE FOR THE RETURN OF CHRIST WITH HIS BRIDE FOLLOWING HIM. Rev. 4 * After this I looked, and, behold, a door........ Was opened in Heaven*: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, .................Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. .....................................CHRIST CALLS HIS BRIDE. 2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.HEAVENS DOOR................ OPENS TWICE............ IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS.. THIS IS THE FIRST OPENING............. OF HEAVENS DOOR........AS CHRIST COMES FOR HIS BRIDE................. JUDGMENT FOR BELIEVERS.. IS IN PROCESS AFTER THE RAPTURE..................... IT IS AN INVESTIGATION OF THE BRIDES FAITHFULNESS:II COR. 5:10 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.II Peter 1 -11 Escape corruption and honor the Lord.I JOHN 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.HE LOVES US SO MUCH........HE DIED FOR US..........JEALOUS OVER YOU.I PETER 1:16 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.WE ARE BETROTHED TO CHRIST FROM THE MOMENT OF SALVATION.......... There will be a premarital exam after we are called Home.II Cor. 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him...{IMPUTED THROUGH SALVATION.Revelation19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the .........righteousness of saints.{THIS IS WORKS AFTER COMMITMENT*****In original Greek in this 8th verse of Rev.19 is righteousness: is righteousnesses...... PLURAL- to include WORKS after SALVATION.IICOR. 5:10 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. WORKS GOOD OR BAD.I COR :315 15 If any man's *Work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. LOSS OF REWARDS..........SAVED BY THE SKIN OF ONES TEETH...........Praise Jesus!Here, one may have lived short of the Glory of God..........and have not much to offer unto the Lord............Yet............is purified through fire and Saved.THE WEDDING GARMENTS FABRIC AND APPEARANCE WILL BE COMPOSED OF YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES.. ON EARTH........WORKS AFTER SALVATION........ .. Those not in need of purification by fire............ have many good works unto the Lord and were faithful to the groom during their betrothal to Him. THE BRIDE shall be adorned in fine linen clean and white.................Revelation 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~AT A WEDDING THE BRIDE AND THE BRIDEGROOM ARE NOT GUESTS..........THEY ARE TO BE HONORED AT THE RECEPTION.John 3:29 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.WHO ARE THE GUEST OF THE MARRIAGE? SUPER ...{TO BE HELD ON EARTH.The guests are many.........they include those prior and up to Pentecost.They also include the tribulation saints.........Pentecost or Pentecost Sunday (symbolically related to the Jewish festival of Shavuot) is a feast on the Christian liturgical calendar that commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles and women followers of Jesus, fifty days (seven weeks) after Easter, and nine days after Ascension Thursday.John 19:26 26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!THE BRIDE – THE DAYS OF PENTECOST TO RAPTURE.......... THE MARRIAGE IS IN HEAVENTHE WEDDING RECEPTION ON EARTH........ON EARTH AS TOLD IN THE PARABLE The Parable of the Ten VirginsMatthew 25:1-46 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.NOT ALL GUEST WILL BE WELCOME..................~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Revelation Chapter 19.................REVEALS Rev.19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~INTENT HERE IS TO SUPPORT THE FOLLOWING CHAPTER 19 OF REVELATION with the above verses.. NOTICE ALL THE *ALLELUIA PRAISE!!!!!! of Revelation 19...The Only mention of it in the New Testament.... Reserved for this chapter ..........WHY?Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, *Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:Revelation 19:3 And again they said, *Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; *Alleluia.Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, *Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~HOW DID the Bride get up there to return? {Rev.4:1The church or Bride is not mentioned from Chapter 4..........until again in Chapter 19What was going on in heaven during the Tribulation period on earth?............................TIME CONSUMING EVENTS..................take place in Heaven during the Tribulation Hours........Judgment...............of the Bride..Distribution of Wedding Garments which is a reward.....The gifts of Crowns.. Also rewards are distributed according to every mans good works.Praise and Worship Ceremony of the Lord.Casting of Crowns at the feet of the Lord.Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders represent the BrideHaving gone through judgment,,,Now adorned; in white linen,casting crowns at the feet of the Lord. Praise Jesus.The preparation of Lord to return with His Bride.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Revelation19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF BELIEVERS THROUGH THE GENERATIONS.......ARE PRAISING AND.....SIGNIFIED BY A GREAT VOICE ALLELUIA .............SALVATION 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. THE ALREADY HAVING BEEN JUDGED....for these things take time and this chapter is preparing now for the return of Christ to earth.....NOW SINGS OF HIS JUDGMENTS OF........... After the fall of political Babylon ...Christ will soon establish His millennial Kingdom upon the earth.{The completed judgments of are listed in Chapters 17 and 18)3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.NEVER AGAIN WILL ........man be duped into pomp as ceremonialism, religious or political alliances, never again will man be brought into bondage. Babylon’s doom is Eternal. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. THE TWENTY FOUR ELDERS JOIN THE PRAYER SYSTEM. THE BEASTS REPRESENT.... SERAPHIM AND CHERUBIM PRAISING GOD;that they too did not follow Lucifer in his fall from Heaven as so many of them did ...now they are eternally secure free from damnation. 5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. A CELESTIAL CHEERLEADER.6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.AND THE VOICE OF THE GREAT MULTITUDE WAS AS THE VOICE OF MANY WATERS....................MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS............... THROUGH THE CENTURIES NOW SING IN UNISON............. UNTO THE LORD ....PRAISE ...............ALLELUIA! 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.THIS IS THE FIRST MENTION OF THE CHURCH SINCE THE LAST TIME THE DOOR WAS OPENED IN REV.4 UNTIL NOW.REJOICE THE BRIDE......... IS NOW ADORNED8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. IN FINE LINEN ...DISPLAYING THE RIGHTEOUSNESSES OF SAINTS. ... {The marriage of the Lamb is in Heaven.9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, these are the true sayings of God.CHRIST RETURNS WITH....... HIS BRIDE .............THE MARRIAGE SUPPER ON EARTH......GUESTS ARE CALLED TO THE WEDDING RECEPTION..............10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.JOHN MADE THE MISTAKE OF FALLING TO WORSHIP AND ANGEL......(this the second time)..THIS IS HOW WE KNOW GOD WROTE THE BIBLE............man would not omit to mistakes throughout the Bible ... God admits mans faults to show all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God...Rom.3:23Rev. 19:11 *And I saw heaven opened* ...and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and true, and in righteousness he doth judge and make... war.HEAVENS DOOR IS OPENED: this is the second time..........JESUS IN ALL HIS GLORY IS ABOUT TO DESCEND TO EARTH....The first TIME THE DOOR OF HEAVEN OPENED WAS IN .REVELATION 4:After this I looked, and, behold, a door........ Was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.THIS WAS THE OPEN DOOR AS JESUS CAME FOR HIS BRIDE.12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.FLAMING EYES SEE WHO IS HIS AND WHO IS NOT HIS. ...JUDGMENT OF DEATH IS AT HAND.CROWNED KING, SAVIOR AND JUDGE OVER ALL CREATION..BEARING A NAME YET TO BE REVEALED13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of GodWEARING THE BLOOD OF AVENGEMENT FOR HIS SAINTS, HAVING LOST LIFE FOR HIS NAMES SAKE.14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. ARMIES FOLLOWED....represent the BRIDE......ADORNED IN CLEAN WHITE LINEN............... All are coming from Heaven...............15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.HIS WORD IS THE WORD............. HIS WORD IS HIS SWORD...........{His word alone in John 18 shows the power of His word.}John 18:5-6.. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the groundWITH A WORD...*.he caused men to fall to the ground. HIS WORD..... IS HIS........ SWORD................SLASH THE NATIONS.............PULVERIZE WITH AN IRON ROD, SQUASHING; THE FIERCE WRATH...........OF ALMIGHTY GOD HAS ARRIVED. (Jesus alone is doing battle..........with no weapon men on earth could relate to? His Word is His weapon........He has no help from the saintly armies that follow...His saintly armies watch...as The LORD OF LORDS... AND KING OF KINGS, Does battle...AS the saintly army bears no weapons...........Jesus, does not require help against men.)16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.PRAISE JESUS...17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; THE SUPPER of GREAT God........LET THE FOWL OF THE AIR COME AND FEAST UPON THE FLESH OF KINGS ON EARTH.......... AND MEN, GREAT AND SMALL, RICH AND POOR ALIKE..18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.MEN ON EARTH PREPARE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES AND BATTLE AGAINST HIM. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.SATAN... THE ANTICHRIST AND THE FOLLOWERS HAVING THE MARK OF THE BEAST ARE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.21 And the remnant was slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.IT IS FINISHED.......ONWARD.........TO NEW BEGINNINGS.....................THE GUESTS OF THE BRIDE AND BRIDEGROOM ARE THE SOULS REMAINING ON EARTH THAT NEVER TOOK THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND DID NOT DIE..... (Matthew 25:1-13 the Parable of the Ten Virgins)......ALSO THOSE SOULS OF UP TO AND BEFORE PENTECOST.TAKE NOTE THAT THE LIVING THROUGH THE TRIBULATION WILL ENTER INTO THE MILLENNIUM WITH THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO REPRODUCE.
     
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    Here we go again with the labels. Please don't label me with any names besides Biblebelieverist or Christian. I'm not up for any of that other nonsense.
    *We know that..........and the false doctrines have always been. .I look for it to unfold................I am Saved and Sealed by the blood of the Lamb....Praise Jesus.
    Correct, exactly as Christ [and others] said. However, this rapture idea is part of the most dangerous one. It's the great falling away that Paul spoke about. All of this is covered in my The Rapture Lie Bible Study but I will go over it again here because this topic is so very important.2 Thessalonians 2:3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;The Greek word there used for falling away (Strong's details located in the Bible Study) means a rebellion. This rebellion is the final great rebellion against our Father when Satan comes (first!) to proclaim himself Christ here to save all the Christians waiting on the rapture.
    *Normally one does Praise Jesus for a sister or brother in the Lord.
    I let God do the judging my friend. I'm happy to see another Christian always when we meet but why rehash that weeks later? Jesus certainly gets my praise but it's not my style to do it in public as many would. I guess you can say that I really took that Phraisee and Publican story to heart.I'm certainly happy to see that you are in Christ but at the same time I'm very concerned about your belief in the rapture.Your final trump is found in Revelation 10 which takes place long after John's vision of Revelation 4 that you mentioned in this other thread. This is when the dead in Christ shall rise first, then us. There's no way to mistake this if you let the Bible do the instructing. Each time Christ comes from heaven with a shout and with the trump of God. It's quite a loud occasion and it only happens once.As for the article, I shall have to pass on reading it. I've had many an article pushed in front of me, but I'll stick with the Word of God. It's always right.
     
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    Here we go again with the labels. Please don't label me with any names besides Biblebelieverist or Christian. I'm not up for any of that other nonsense.Lost me on this one? Was it Saved and Sealed? 2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.1 Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.Lets talk Greek.Jesus said;Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.Ek always means- OUT OF....................DIA ALWAYS MEANS- THROUGHIN THE GREEK TRANSLATION..................EK IS USED IN THE BIBLE 800 TIMES 799 TIMES IT MEANS- OUT OF.........ONE TIME IN- GALATIANS 3:8 -IT MEANS- THROUGH..........GOD IS TRYING TO TELL US HE WILL KEEP US OUT OF - FROM...........THE TRIBULATION.................EK.- OUT OF.I let God do the judging my friend. I'm happy to see another Christian always when we meet but why rehash that weeks later?*Thank you...........I guess im an old Christian here already. Jesus certainly gets my praise but it's not my style to do it in public as many would. I guess you can say that I really took that Phraisee and Publican story to heart. *I guess.I'm certainly happy to see that you are in Christ but at the same time I'm very concerned about your belief in the rapture.*I appreciate that...............but know this................I am Saved.........And If am wrong of the pre-trib...........guess what?I go through....................the Tribulation.If I am right about the pre-trib..............guess what?We who are saved will see each other seven years sooner.....Now isn’t that some great news...........The focus and key are on Salvation...............so as we hold up the Bible and stand on our beliefs.............which has always been and will continue to be until the return of the Lord. Through Salvation.........one has all eternity to spend with the Lord.............Praise Jesus..........Now that is something to Praise over! And my oh my I needed a Praise Break Here!*Praise Jesus!Your final trump is found in Revelation 10 which takes place long after John's vision of Revelation 4 that you mentioned in this other thread. This is when the dead in Christ shall rise first, then us. There's no way to mistake this if you let the Bible do the instructing. Each time Christ comes from heaven with a shout and with the trump of God. It's quite a loud occasion and it only happens once.I stand my ground.........and I am tired at the moment............so its been interesting to talk with you of the Word and Scriptures..........Peace of God be with you..............goodnight
     
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    Lost me on this one? Was it Saved and Sealed?
    In other words, don't use post-trib and pre-trib around me unless you have found it used by God in the Bible (and it's not).
    Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth
    Again, don't take things out of context. I don't see one word here about rapture or anything where we're told that we'll physically be removed from what's going to happen. The Lord keeps us from temptation through blessing us with the knowledge to know the difference aka. reading the Bible and listening to him. Now let's finish up the rest of what was said:Revelation 3:11-1211 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.Hold on to the Truth and the Truth is no rapture theory. There's nothing here that confirms a rapture theory unless you read your own interpretation into it.
    I appreciate that...............but know this................I am Saved......... And If am wrong of the pre-trib...........guess what? I go through....................the Tribulation. If I am right about the pre-trib..............guess what? We who are saved will see each other seven years sooner..... Now isn’t that some great news...........
    If only it were that simple. If I am wrong, we see each other 7 years sooner as you have said. If you are wrong, you and those along with you will be flying away with the wrong messiah. That gets you a one way ticket right to the lake of fire and we won't be seeing each other. Check out Malachi 3, Malachi 4 and Zechariah 5 to see what happens. I put it all together in a Bible Study at the top of the main page.
     
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    Love123When you find the servants engaging the man of sin and the false prophet by identifying both, you will know at that time that the satanic inspired pre tribulation transformation doctrine known as pre trib rapture was a lie and part of the strong delusion and falling away. Record my email in the event you escape the initial destruction that comes to many locations the world over so you can find the guidance you will need to make it through the great tribulation. I am one of those servants charged to guide those who escape the apostasy, the Great Whore and the son of perdition.[email protected]
     
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    First, lets take the word "MARK" - meaning: to brand, stamp, (str.#5480) to put this in simple english terms, you brand somthing to show ownership, or you claim ownership of a thing or idea by placing a MARK on it that represents an extension of self. For example, "X" could symbolize your name, the same as your signature, which you own, so too can an idea or thought can be branded into your memory,another words,MARKED into your mind (made your thought/memory). Now let me see where's our mind or brain located? Oh yeah, IN OUR FOREHEADS.Our MIND IS IN OUR FOREHEAD.Revelation 14:1 also speaks of those who have the Father's name and the Name of the Messiah written on their Foreheads. "And I looked, and there before me was the lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his father's name WRITTEN ON THEIR FOREHEADS." God has given His Mark, representing His Laws and His Sacred Calendar, to be a sign on our Hands and Foreheads. Those who have set themselves apart, sanctified unto the Lord, will have the Name of YHVH and the name of Yeshua ON THEIR FOREHEADS If God's mark is his name and his laws, then the mark of the beast must be a counterfeit of what God has given.
    Dear KrissRev 13:18 This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six.___You are very, very close to the truth. The Holy Spirit has revealed to me that the Beast that rises and the Whore that rides it are the counterfeit of the Kingdom of God. When we enter into the domain of the god of this world our individuality is associated with the Whore and beast she rides. This is the beast that will use our individuality to ensnare those who accept the number of the beast to enter that domain at the time of the man of sin.The number that those who enter into worship of the man of sin and the beast will be those who are scanned and their identity will be converted to a number as will become the number of a man. The 666 is the UPC that gives the beast the ability to allow those who are entered into this last end time system of control by the god of this world is related to the number unique number that all who enter the system will be identified with. Here is what was given to me in November of 2005. Read it carefully and then read my post on the thread you started. I think it comports to what you are saying. I will say that you have been given understanding in this matter while many, many others are still struggling with what it all means. Soon I will write a more exhaustive apology regarding the beast the whore vs. the kingdom of God and the bride. The beast is the counterfeit of the kingdom of God and the Whore is the counterfeit of the Bride. Here is the word of the LordThe number of the Beast is the number of a manWhen we are scanned our individuality is to become a number.That number is our individuality. We do not have to given a number, because we already have a number unlike another.The number of the Beast is the number of a man.The scanning of our individuality is our identity and becomes our number.And that number is the number of each man, and will be a number unlike anotherWhen the scan and the number is connected to the Beast it is digitized and becomes the number of the Beast. Because the number of the beast within the Beast is the number of the man, for the number of the Beast is the number of a man.This is the Word of the Lord from a servant of the end who obeys His Masters charge.
     
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    Revelation 9:4And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.The seal of God in the forehead is your third eye and only the two prophets have light in there eye thats true light from GOD. so 666 means all of man kind is the wicked youll find when you read the bible that all of man is the wicked Jesus says you who are wicked would not give your child a scorpion and there other places that hint to it.but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.Now does this mean if you open your third eye during tribulation that you will be save i think so.how can you understand heavenly things if you have no light in your eye a person that understand heavenly things would not be scared off the third eye. eating the meet of the lord is when you walk up with light in your body.open your third eyeluke 12 the new American bible The simile of light 33"(Z)No one, after lighting a lamp, puts it away in a cellar nor under a basket, but on the lampstand, so that those who enter may see the light. 34"(AA)The eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is clear, your whole body also is full of light; but when it is bad, your body also is full of darkness. 35"Then watch out that the light in you is not darkness. 36"If therefore your whole body is full of light, with no dark part in it, it will be wholly illumined, as when the lamp illumines you with its rays."open the light in your eye and ask god to fill you with light and you should wake up with light in your body. your third eye in the bible is called the lampstand.The only way to escape tribulation is if the seal in your eye is opened and you pray to Jesus all day.
     
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