What’s gone wrong is they’re following the popes rather than the Messiah.
Reason for The Crusades explained
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What’s gone wrong is they’re following the popes rather than the Messiah.
amigo de christo
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BINGO . only a lot of them do not realize this . the protestant realm
has been being CATHOLOCIZED for quite some time un der eucemincal means .
But it is from whence this came . YOU are CORRECT my friend .
EVEN trump n vance do this ecumeincal will of int efaith interrelgious dialgoue .
ITS Like animal farm .
THE PROTESTANTS dont realize they catholic now .
Nor did the pigs see they had become as the human . THEY DUPED US MY FRIEND .
we should have STAYED in that BIBLE for our learning . MEN fleeced them all and did so ever so wisely and slowly and over time .
NayborBear
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So?...........THIS would be your response to a Home invasion into YOUR household?
Please see post #2090. ??
I’ve answered that question dozens of times.
Please see post #2090. ??
That‘s what your words put into action look like.
amigo de christo
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And . YOU THINK GOD is not in control . IF a hundred muslims rushed my houseSo?...........THIS would be your response to a Home invasion into YOUR household?
Please see post #2090. ??
With guns a blazing , YET MY TIME IS NOT UP , GOD WILL GET ME OUT OF IT .
SO NOW whose trusting in men and whose TRUSTING IN GOD . nayor bear . Them popes led this world to perdition
ON JESUS day and her sister protestilina follows HER MOTHER HARLOT .
WE are all being deceived by these men , by many in the protestant realm , by the p opes ,
by the leaders whether liberal or conservative , even T RUMP n vance sell that harlots ecmeincal intefaith peace plan of anti christ .
NOW what you do have t osay .
I TRUST IN GOD . put AWAY THY SWORD crusaders , GOD has me . and if and when my time is up , I GO HOME forever WITH HIM .
amigo de christo
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Watch them closely and ye will see what you arleady know .
THEIR TRUST IS IN MEN , NOT GOD .
MEN and who ever can give them peace , give them their best life now .
THEY do not care about the salvation of souls .
AND believe me when i do say , THE GREATEST CRUSDADES to ever have been IS ABOUT TO B E .
And oh yeah THEY GONNA THINK and THEY GONNA BELEIVE they do the will of GOD .
ONLY it aint GOD they do fo llow . ITS this one
AND BY PEACE SHALL HE DESTROY MANY . that one is not one any should follow . BUT MANY WILL .
NayborBear
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I wouldn't be SO sure you AREN'T Meho! Sitting UNDER "Ecumenical Interfaith" that is.
Because If you had "eyes to see and ears to hear?"
While you are decrying: "ONLY JESUS=PACIFISM!"..........."ONLY JESUS=PACIFISM!!???"
Carrying around your faith in a sieve?
You are BLIND is SEVERAL instances!
Jesus DOES have a GOD AND a Father!
You are Blind that Jesus is STILL subject TO His Father! TO Whom He is YET on the Right Hand side of!
You are BLIND that GOD is IN CONTROL!
You ARE however GUILTY of this!:
2 Timothy 3:
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
And this? Is merely an EXAMPLE of "The TRUTH" that falls right through your "sieve of faith!:
An avowed atheist college professor is giving a lecture on religion. To prove there is no God, he issues a challenge to the ceiling: “God, if you are real, I give you 15 minutes to knock me off this platform!”
The classroom goes totally silent as the clock ticks down. With only a minute or two left on the timer, the professor smugly proclaims, “See? I’m still waiting.”
Suddenly, a student—a hardened U.S. Marine back from deployments—stands up, walks to the front of the room, and punches the professor right off the stage.
The shocked, battered professor asks, “Why in the world did you do that?”
The Marine calmly replies, "God was too busy protecting soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid stuff and act like an idiot. So, He sent me."
IMHO? This makes YOU and others decrying "ONLY JESUS=PACIFISM!"..........."ONLY JESUS=PACIFISM!!???"
GUILTY aka "Denying!??":
THIS!!:
2 Timothy 3:5
Having a form of godliness, but denying the POWER thereof........
Which IS?
THIS!!:
Psalms 110:
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, UNTIL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL(!!)
And have BECOME, which is sad to say, let alone bare with, more OF this "Ecumenical Interfaith" then you are (yet) WILLING to admit to!
NayborBear
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No???????
This what THESE words PUT INTO ACTION look like!!:
Psalm 110:The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, UNTIL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.
No???????
This what THESE words PUT INTO ACTION look like!!:
Psalm 110:The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, UNTIL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.
Jesus, Paul and the early Christians were well aware of Psalm 110.
“We do not use the weapons of the world.” - Paul
Jesus, Paul, and the early Christians?
No. They did “not use the weapons of the world.”
Then who? The crusaders.
@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear
amigo de christo
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Keep pointing to CHRIST JESUS . many will reject , but some will hear and we never know
who is reading these posts .
Marvelloustime
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That’s between you and him.
You approached me the same way, even while at the same time knowing that it isn’t true.
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”No one has greater love than this - that one lays down his life for his friends.” - Jesus
I made it home in time to post the following from my X / Twitter “Following” feed on the 457th anniversary of the event:
“#OTD May 16, 1569
Dirk Willems, an Anabaptist believer in the Netherlands, was burned at the stake for his faith. While fleeing across a frozen river, he turned back to rescue his pursuer who had fallen through the ice. The man he saved then captured him and delivered him to the authorities.”
Dirk didn’t die for a friend. He died for an enemy whom he treated as if he were a friend. He lost his life in an act of love for his enemy - “Love your enemies,” the teaching of Jesus and the apostles - for the Messiah’s sake.
“… whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.” - Jesus
To my readers: Be like Dirk; not like the crusaders.
P.S.
@Armour of God @NayborBear
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“In the cold winter of 1573, Maeyken Wens, a young Belgium mother and wife, was arrested for the treasonous act of rebaptism. A few weeks later, her sentence was passed to her: she was to be burned at the stake. Moreover, it was ordered she have a tongue screw imbedded in her mouth toprevent her from sharing her faith with the crowd. Her family was notified by other Anabaptists and warned not to attend the execution lest they too be arrested.
But nothing could have restrained Adrian, the young son, from seeing his mother one last time. He could not fully understand why the authorities had chosen to kill someone who had never hurt anyone.”
(Christian Jihad, pp. 171-172)
Don’t rush past the drawing - Maeyken being led to the stake - @Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear. This is another crusader victory.
Armour of God
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Thank you.
”On the night before the execution, Adrian crawled under the quilt his mother had made and read the last letter she had written him. It explained:
’Oh, my dear, son, though I will soon be taken from you, begin now in your youth to fear God. Then you shall have your mother again in New Jerusalem, where she will never have to part again. My dear son, I hope now to go before you. Follow me in this if you value your soul, for besides this you can find no other way of slavation.
Love one another all the days of your life. Take little Hans in your arms now and then for me. And if your father should be taken from you, care for one another. My dear children, kiss one another once for me, for remembrance.
Good-bye, my dear children, all of you.
My dear son, do not be afraid of this suffering. It is nothing compared to the suffering which endures forever. The Lord has taken away all my fear. I cannot fully thank my God for the grace which he has shown me.
Good-bye once more, my dear son, Adrian.’
Adrian arrived early in the public square the next morning, anxiously awaiting the sight of his mother. In a little while, his mother emerged with a crowd surrounding her. Blood flowed down her mouth from the tongue screw, staining her dress. They placed his mother at the stake, chained her to it, as she quietly stood by with her eyes shut, as if in prayer.
Adrian, overwhelmed by the incident, fainted. When he awoke, the execution was over. All that remained in front of the youth was the ashes of his mother. Adrian waded through the ashes and found the tongue screw the authorities had used to muffle his mother. Putting the item in his handkerchief, he quietly realized the purpose in life through the martyrdom of his mother. He whispered, ‘Mama, I want you to know ... I, too, will fear God and follow his Word with my whole heart. You have shown me the way.’”
(Christian Jihad, pp. 172-173)
@Wrangler @NayborBear don’t rush past the drawing - the ashes of Maeyken witness.
Wrangler calls her, her son, and all pacifists cowards. You haven’t corrected him.
Maeyken Wens wasn’t “armed, ready to kill,” and neither was her son, Adrian. They followed the teaching of Jesus and the apostles.
“You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.” That’s Wrangler and his concealed identity church.
The crusaders were “armed, ready to kill.” The followers of Jesus’ teaching weren’t.
The real victory is found not in the crusaders but in the witness of faithful followers of Jesus.
“Though the vast amount of energy during the Crusades was focused on victory against Muslim forces, Catholics, when given time and opportunity, also turned their attention west toward the likes of Albi, France, headquarters of the Cathars (from the Greek, meaning ‘cleansed’). This group of men and women, also known as the Albigensians, was considered heretical by the Roman Catholic Church. They did not hold to apostolic succession and were accused of denying the divinity of Jesus Christ. However, scholars such as Leonard Verdun point out that though some were definitely heretical in their beliefs, the group as a whoke was basically orthodox in their faith.
Whatever the conclusion of the group’s orthodoxy, the Catholic jihad is still inexcusable and is a reminder to the reader that not all Christians participated in the Crusades against the Muslims. In fact, the Cathars advocated pacifism and believed it was sinful to partake in any war. According to the Church, they were not only theological malfeasants, but political anarchists as well. It was feared that their pacifism, if caught on with the majority of Europeans, would be the downfall of Christian Europe. Therefore, it seemed imperative to stop them.
At the beginning of the thirteenth century, Pope Innocent III declared a crusade on all Cathars. As imperative as it was to halt the onslaught of Muslim invaders, it was important as well to make sure the Christian Empire did not fold from internal ramblings. In 1209, Arnold Amaury, abbot of Citeaux, called for the collective slaughter of all Cathars in the town of Beziers. His motto, which has carried forth into modern expression, stated, ‘Kill them all, the Lord knows those who are his.’ Only a small minority of the town, perhaps five hundred, was made up of Cathars, but all the city paid the price for guilt by association. Twenty thousand were killed.
Thus began the wholesale slaughter of thousands of Cathars in the thirteenth century.”
(Christian Jihad, pp. 182-183)
This doesn’t ”stink” in the nostrils of @Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear. It smells “sweet“ to them, and that is why they defend and celebrate the Crusades.
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“These examples of Christian jihad, only a sampling of the countless stories within the pages of history, serve to illustrate how devastating the results can be when an official church rules a region or nation. When the spiritual sword is merged with the political sword, both are dealt a death blow. …
The result of this spiritual cannibalism was prophesied by Jesus Christ hinself, who warned his disciples that if anyone attempts to uproot tares (unbelievers) which are in the field with wheat (believers) the wheat will be harmed as well (Matthew 13:24-30). The reasons are at least threefold. First, the tares, really weeds, look identical to wheat until the time of harvest. Moreover, the tares, unnoticed from the surface, entwine themselves to the root of the wheat. Hence, the desire to uproot evil will cost the lives of the righteous. Second, God has an appointed time to remove the tares, a time that should not be shortened by those bothered by the effects the tares have on the wheat. Third and most important, Jesus Christ asserted that only he has the right to judge. He and he alone will give herectics their punishment.”
(Ibid., pp. 183-184)
My repeated and consistent counsel to @Wrangler -> wait patiently for the Messiah to return. His repeated and consistent negative response is found in this thread.
My counsel to all and sundry: Listen to, believe, and obey the teaching of Jesus and the apostles.
”We [did] not use the weapons of the world.” Their enemies did and still do.
Whatever the conclusion of the group’s orthodoxy, the Catholic jihad is still inexcusable and is a reminder to the reader that not all Christians participated in the Crusades against the Muslims. In fact, the Cathars advocated pacifism and believed it was sinful to partake in any war. According to the Church, they were not only theological malfeasants, but political anarchists as well. It was feared that their pacifism, if caught on with the majority of Europeans, would be the downfall of Christian Europe. Therefore, it seemed imperative to stop them.
At the beginning of the thirteenth century, Pope Innocent III declared a crusade on all Cathars. As imperative as it was to halt the onslaught of Muslim invaders, it was important as well to make sure the Christian Empire did not fold from internal ramblings. In 1209, Arnold Amaury, abbot of Citeaux, called for the collective slaughter of all Cathars in the town of Beziers. His motto, which has carried forth into modern expression, stated, ‘Kill them all, the Lord knows those who are his.’ Only a small minority of the town, perhaps five hundred, was made up of Cathars, but all the city paid the price for guilt by association. Twenty thousand were killed.
Thus began the wholesale slaughter of thousands of Cathars in the thirteenth century.”
(Christian Jihad, pp. 182-183)
This doesn’t ”stink” in the nostrils of @Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear. It smells “sweet“ to them, and that is why they defend and celebrate the Crusades.
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“These examples of Christian jihad, only a sampling of the countless stories within the pages of history, serve to illustrate how devastating the results can be when an official church rules a region or nation. When the spiritual sword is merged with the political sword, both are dealt a death blow. …
The result of this spiritual cannibalism was prophesied by Jesus Christ hinself, who warned his disciples that if anyone attempts to uproot tares (unbelievers) which are in the field with wheat (believers) the wheat will be harmed as well (Matthew 13:24-30). The reasons are at least threefold. First, the tares, really weeds, look identical to wheat until the time of harvest. Moreover, the tares, unnoticed from the surface, entwine themselves to the root of the wheat. Hence, the desire to uproot evil will cost the lives of the righteous. Second, God has an appointed time to remove the tares, a time that should not be shortened by those bothered by the effects the tares have on the wheat. Third and most important, Jesus Christ asserted that only he has the right to judge. He and he alone will give herectics their punishment.”
(Ibid., pp. 183-184)
My repeated and consistent counsel to @Wrangler -> wait patiently for the Messiah to return. His repeated and consistent negative response is found in this thread.
My counsel to all and sundry: Listen to, believe, and obey the teaching of Jesus and the apostles.
”We [did] not use the weapons of the world.” Their enemies did and still do.
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It's amazing how some Christians just cannot be humbly and grateful that the Crusades kept Christendom alive and move on from the necessary being done by responsible Christians.
NayborBear
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Just because SOME of these people become "High Minded" and "threatened?" Or? More than likely, had the ZEAL against the Muslims, yet lacked "funding" in making the long arduous journey? Or, enough sustenance in providing for their families?
The CAUSE of the Crusades was JUST!
Don't SUPPOSE you've ever heard the term or heard accounts of a/the:
"Lynch Mob" mentality? (IT HAPPENS!!!)
So in your "broadbrushing" attempts of CRIMINALIZATION the WHOLE CAUSE of the Crusades?
Been TRYING TO TELL YA DUDE!
In WARFARE? Things CAN and DO get CRAZY!
NayborBear
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I KNOW Wrangler, there's a term that's used for one's "judging things done long ago by more modern (ahem) standards?"
But, cannot think of the term at the moment!
Perhaps the one constantly grasping for the "Intellectual High Ground" may know the term I'm referring to?
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