Reason for The Crusades explained

[Matthias]

Just because SOME of these people become "High Minded" and "threatened?" Or? More than likely, had the ZEAL against the Muslims, yet lacked "funding" in making the long arduous journey? Or, enough sustenance in providing for their families?
The CAUSE of the Crusades was JUST!
Don't SUPPOSE you've ever heard the term or heard accounts of a/the:
"Lynch Mob" mentality? (IT HAPPENS!!!)
So in your "broadbrushing" attempts of CRIMINALIZATION the WHOLE CAUSE of the Crusades?
Been TRYING TO TELL YA DUDE!
In WARFARE? Things CAN and DO get CRAZY!

Followers of Jesus shouldn’t involve themselves in war where “things can and do go crazy”.

As I’ve been showing you, the earliest Christians didn’t -> “We do not use the weapons of the world.”

 

[Matthias]

It's amazing how some Christians …

Thank you for acknowledging that I’m a (primitive) Christian. The crusaders wouldn’t have.

… just cannot be humbly and grateful that the Crusades kept Christendom alive and move on from the necessary being done by responsible Christians.

Responsible Christians were slaughtered by the crusaders.

 

[NayborBear]

Thank you for acknowledging that I’m a (primitive) Christian. The crusaders wouldn’t have.



Responsible Christians were slaughtered by the crusaders.

Allow me yet another question that I'm full expecting one of your usual non answers to.
Would YOU pay money to send a group of missionary's to someplace like Iran, for instance, to Crusade FOR Christ. Knowing mere than likely they would be losing their heads over it, so you can keep yours?
Asking for a "Friend."

 

[Matthias]

Allow me yet another question that I'm full expecting one of your usual non answers to.
Would YOU pay money to send a group of missionary's to someplace like Iran, for instance, to Crusade FOR Christ. Knowing mere than likely they would be losing their heads over it, so you can keep yours?
Asking for a "Friend."

I pay taxes to Caesar. Does Caesar advise the church to send missionaries to Iran at this time?

 

[Matthias]

I pay taxes to Caesar. Does Caesar advise the church to send missionaries to Iran at this time?

“The U.S. State Department strongly advises against travel to Iran, maintaining a Level 4: Do Not Travel advisory.”

Travel Advisory | Travel.State.gov

Prepare for your trip to by reviewing the State Department Travel Advisory, entry and exit requirements, local laws, and U.S. embassy tips.

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@NayborBear

 

[Matthias]

Allow me yet another question that I'm full expecting one of your usual non answers to.
Would YOU pay money to send a group of missionary's to someplace like Iran, for instance, to Crusade FOR Christ. Knowing mere than likely they would be losing their heads over it, so you can keep yours?
Asking for a "Friend."

I’ve spoken briefly on the forum about two missionary trips I made to Africa (First trip: Malawi, Mozambique and Zimbabwe; Second trip: Kenya.) The Missionary Board had planned to send missionary teams to those countries but cancelled them due to U.S. State Department advisories (which did not reach Level 4).

At the time of the first trip, I wasn’t yet a pastor. When the Missionary Board cancelled the trip, I volunteered to go with my pastor, who was going ahead on his own. The local congregation, relieved that our pastor would have a traveling companion, funded over half of my expenses. The rest came out of my own pocket.

At the time of my second trip, I was a pastor. I was joined by two other pastors. I funded my expenses for the trip entirely out of my own pocket. I didn’t ask the other pastors how they funded their expenses.

I’ve spoken about some of the dangers we faced on those trips, “unarmed, not ready to kill”.

Feel free to share this with the ”friend” you’re asking for.

 

[Matthias]

The Crusaders were good and justified in their war mongering.

“Being beguiled is like being captivated, charmed, delighted, enthralled, or entranced. When you’re beguiled, you really like what you see.”

Beguiled - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Being beguiled is like being captivated, charmed, delighted, enthralled, or entranced. When you're beguiled, you really like what you see.

www.vocabulary.com

You’re beguiled with war mongering.

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[Matthias]

Allow me yet another question that I'm full expecting one of your usual non answers to.
Would YOU pay money to send a group of missionary's to someplace like Iran, for instance, to Crusade FOR Christ. Knowing mere than likely they would be losing their heads over it, so you can keep yours?
Asking for a "Friend."

Would you ignore the U.S. State Department Level 4 travel advisory and pay money out of your own pocket (or accept money given to you from the pockets of others to serve as a missionary) so you yourself could go someplace like Iran, for instance?

 

[rockytopva]

The Crusades... Old Saint Nick, better known as Santa Claus is from the country of Turkey. Who do not embrace the Christianity due to the Crusades. I find this very unfortunate.

 

[Matthias]

The Crusades... Old Saint Nick, better known as Santa Claus is from the country of Turkey. Who do not embrace the Christianity due to the Crusades. I find this very unfortunate.

He would have rejected @Wrangler, just as the crusaders would have.

Unfortunate? That’s not the word I would choose.

Ironic? Sure.

 

[Matthias]

My counter message: Embrace the Christianity due to Messiah Jesus and the apostles.

Those who don’t embrace Christianity due to the Crusades number in the billions. That’s not unfortunate; that’s tragic. As Dr. Godfrey (Ligonier Ministries) observed (post #2037), they caused “great damage” to Christ.

 

[Matthias]

“In addition to crusading against Muslims and Cathar Christians, Pope Innocent III vehemently attacked the Jewish people. Innocent presided over the Fourth Lateran Council, one of the most powerful tribunals in the history of the Roman Catholic Church, which legitimized much of Catholic doctrine for the next eight centuries. Drawing on ancient laws, the pope demanded that Jews meet three requirements in order to live under Christian jurisdiction. First, fearing intermarriage of Jews and Christians, the Council stipulated Jews must wear special clothing. To add to this insult, Jews, when seen in public, were required to wear a badge in the form of a ring. …

Second, Jews were forced to stay in their houses during the final three days of the Passion week. Though the canon argued that Jews mocked Christians during this sacred time, it is clearly seen that Jews were merely not celebrating the death of Jesus Christ but going about their business as any normal day. To the Catholic officials, this was highly offensive and, in essence, mocking the very sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Third, Catholics outlawed any offensive words said of Jesus Christ from Jews or Muslims. …”

(Christian Jihad, p. 185)

@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear the crusades were aimed at Muslims, Jews, and Christians who didn’t go along with the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, and anyone who spoke offensive words about Messiah Jesus.

Note: Unbelievers frequently say offensive words about Messiah Jesus. That’s hardly surprising. Would you like for the government to stop their mouths?

 

[Matthias]

“In wars, soldiers cast aside their inhibitions, their sense of humanity, and take the lives of men, women, and children. Their actions express the horrors of war and the paroxysms of violence that are present in conflicts between nations. …

Such are the barbarities of war.

But, there is hope. The Bible says that when the Messiah comes, there shall be peace among the nations: ‘He shall judge between the nations, and shall arbitrate for many people; they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore’ (Isaiah 2:4)’”.

(Claude Mariottini, “Ripping Open Pregnant Women”)

Ripping Open Pregnant Women

No one likes war, but war is a reality that has existed in human society from the dawn of civilization. With no exception, one characteristic of wars is the extreme violence that goes on in the bat…

claudemariottini.com

Jesus and the apostles taught the followers of Jesus to “cast aside their inhibition, their sense of humanity, and take the lives of men, women, and children”?

Jesus and the apostles taught the followers of Jesus to “express the horrors of war and the paroxysms of violence that are present in conflicts between nations”?

@Wrangler @Armour of God @NayborBear

The actions and writings of the followers of Jesus for the first three hundred years of Christian history show us that they didn’t think so.

And there have been and are followers of Jesus since them, down to our own day, who have shown by their actions and writings that they also don’t think so.

P.S.

An ad popped up suggesting this for me:



I haven’t read the book yet - so I’m not in a position to recommend it to my readers - but I’m strongly attracted by the title.

“Do as he did” -> the apostles did; the crusaders didn’t.

P.S.S.

A link to a review by Kevin DeYoung on the strengths and weaknesses of the book.

Is This the Way? A Review of Practicing the Way by John Mark Comer | Clearly Reformed

The point about Jesus’s apprentices originally being called “followers of the Way” is essential to Comer’s overall thesis.

clearlyreformed.org

 

[Jay Ross]

It's amazing how some Christians just cannot be humbly and grateful that the Crusades kept Christendom alive and move on from the necessary being done by responsible Christians.

The question is who decides which "Christians" were being responsible through their actions of "Keeping their beliefs 'pure.'"

 

[Wrangler]

The question is who decides which "Christians" were being responsible through their actions of "Keeping their beliefs 'pure.'"

Irrelevant if Christianity is dead at the hands of Islamic Jihad.

 

[Jay Ross]

Irrelevant if Christianity is dead at the hands of Islamic Jihad.

But Islam has not been responsible for the dieback in Christian circles. The blame lies with Christians themselves.

 

[NayborBear]

Irrelevant if Christianity is dead at the hands of Islamic Jihad.

What gets me Wrangler. Is?......Well? I "GET IT!" Right after Jesus Christ of Nazareth ascended back into heaven? "CHRISTIANITY" was a very very New and a MUCH DIFFERENT "Message", that the "staus quo?" Jews for the most part? OUTRIGHT REJECTED! Meaning? These extremely new "believers" HAD to meet in "secret", as they had NO way OF defending themselves, and believed unto death and persecution in this message as the ONLY means of establishing the "Credibility" that what they witnessed from actually being there WITH Jesus Christ of Nazareth!
And? If they had not "met in secret?" There's a VERY GOOD CHANCE Christianity WOULD SURELY have been rendered EXTINCT!

Ok? Fast forward coupla hundred years. Christianity is now growing! ESPECIALLY amongst the heathanistic Gentiles! Yet? Still not of a sufficient size to raise any sort of means of defending themselves from those who would like nothing better than BEING RID of 'em!

And? Lest we forget or become "unmindful" of? The spirit of antichrist which has been doing its dangdest to the point of even trying to slaughter male children in PREVENTING even the APPEARANCE of the Messiah, to which I am FAIRLY CERTAIN WASN'T the Messiah's doing! And? STILL IS by the way!..........(anyway)
THIS WAS OVER 2200 YEARS AGO!
And these pacifists STILL can't or WON'T acknowledge when the "Mighty Hand of God" wants to "make the enemies of Christ, and His enemies as well, a footstool FOR Christ!" BEFORE HE even considers "sending Messiah BACK HERE!"
And THIS?
I DON'T GET!

To me? It shows how much and deeply the spirit of antichrist has infiltrated todays Christianity! As they have pacifized themselves to a point where even the adversary considers 'em a "non threat!"
They CLAIM there war isn't AGAINST flesh and blood! But they haven't even the Armour to WAGE A DECENT DEFENSE! Let alone any sort of DECENT CONTENTION FOR the faith! In the "heavenlies!" Because they haven't even the STOMACH for THAT kind of spiritual warfare!
And THEN? When Almighty God takes the battle to the flesh?
THEY HAVE EVEN LESS A STOMACH FOR THAT!
The LARGEST problems employing this "battle of attrition" of the Great Commission ONLY crowd are?
Well?.......People keep having babies! So there'll NEVER be a time when EVERYONE will be baptized.
They DON'T know how, save for continuing this "battle of attrition", in what it TAKES, and is REQUIRED in FIGHTING and WARRING in the heavenlies! aka Make Disciples!

And?.......I kinda wondering about our pacifistic members.....but EVERY church I've attended recently?
Have had "Security Teams" WITH GUNS!!!
GEE!!!
I wonder why!

 

[Wrangler]

But Islam has not been responsible for the dieback in Christian circles. The blame lies with Christians themselves.

Instead of using your intellect to blame Christians, why not humbly answer the question of this thread, the reasons FOR the Crusades?

 

[Matthias]

The question is who decides which "Christians" were being responsible through their actions of "Keeping their beliefs 'pure.'"

The Messiah gave clear instructions on how his followers were to treat their enemies. We will know them by their fruit. Examine the fruit.

 

[Wrangler]

And these pacifists STILL can't or WON'T acknowledge when the "Mighty Hand of God" wants to "make the enemies of Christ, and His enemies as well, a footstool FOR Christ!" BEFORE HE even considers "sending Messiah BACK HERE!"
And THIS?
I DON'T GET!

To me? It shows how much and deeply the spirit of antichrist has infiltrated todays Christianity! As they have pacifized themselves to a point where even the adversary considers 'em a "non threat!"

Indeed, the Adversary counts the overly spiritualized as assets, useful pawns. Anyone can see their fanatical devotion I this thread to block other Christians from even thinking in terms of doing the needful.