Reason for The Crusades explained

[rockytopva]

False doctrine. Martin Luther was a heretic

Those that follow "reformed theology" claim walking in the Spirit is works and being led by the Holy Spirit is trying to earn one's salvation.

They don't understand that it's the Holy Spirit doing the good works in us, not use doing the good works and so they falsely claim living in obedience to the Lord is works based salvation which opens the door for them to engage in sinful behavior which is why they very proudly go around telling everyone that they are sinners. View attachment 76531

And so these people continue to walk after the flesh which is what the heresy they is - heresy is a work of the flesh that causes people to not inherit the Kingdom of God

What makes us children of God is IF we answer the Father's call to abide in Christ having turned away from our old life of sin and walk with Him in newness of life

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

2 Corinthians 6:17
come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

This is what baptism is supposed to be about... making a covenant with the Lord, a public declaration of faith, a commitment to put off the old man and put on the new man and to walk in newness of life

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We are called to cooperate with the Lord, to be co-laborers with Him. He made us in His Image, so we have free will... the Lord desires for us to willingly choose to turn away from our old life of sin and come abide In Christ and not turn away, ever!

1 Corinthians 3:9
We are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

It's God's work, His power, His ability... but WE have to choose to accept His offer to be His children and turn from darkness to walk with Him in the Light.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Getting born again is the introduction and the starting point and if one truly believes and dies moments after getting born again, yes they would go to Heaven.

But few die immediately after getting born again so it remains to be seen... will WE to choose to accept His offer to be His children and turn from darkness to walk with Him abiding In Him until the end of our lives so that we might be saved???

Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Endure to the end as in... DON'T fall away!

Remembering an important rule here... Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Remembering an important rule here... Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians.

I was talking about Martin Luther

He is a proven false teacher.

If you choose to identify with him, that's your call.

 

[Matthias]

Remembering an important rule here... Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians.

Speaking in your capacity as a moderator, does ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill“ fall within the boundary or outside the boundary of the important rule?

 

[rockytopva]

Speaking in your capacity as a moderator, does ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill“ fall within the boundary or outside the boundary of the important rule?

There are times when Christians have bore arms. Then again, we are responsible for what we have done with them. And will give account for our actions here on earth. Therefore some of what the Crusaders did was indeed wrong...

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. - Luke 22:36

 

[rockytopva]

I was talking about Martin Luther

He is a proven false teacher.

If you choose to identify with him, that's your call.

Martin Luther... There were teachings that were embraced by people like John Wesley
Martin Luther... There were teachings that were renounced by people like John Wesley

Wesley's own "Aldersgate" conversion experience in 1738 was sparked by hearing Luther's preface to the Epistle to the Romans, making Luther a key, though complex, influence on Methodism's core doctrines.

In any doctrine of man is open to agreement and disagreement. Martin Luther, though, had a huge impact on people like John Wesley and John Bunyan, author of the Pilgrims Progress.

 

[rockytopva]

I personally plan on departing this world without killing another human being. But... There again... If someone were to come into a church wanting to shoot the place up I would want to defend those in the church congregation. Shooting the perpetrator if necessary.

 

[Matthias]

There are times when Christians have bore arms. Then again, we are responsible for what we have done with them. And will give account for our actions here on earth. Therefore some of what the Crusaders did was indeed wrong...

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. - Luke 22:36

There are times when Christians did not bear arms -> the first three hundred years of Christian history, for example, and millions of Christians since down through the centuries.

In my opinion - I’m not a moderator here and have no interest whatsoever in being a moderator - ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” implies that conscientious objectors - Desmond Dawson (US military hero) has been cited as a famous example - are not Christian.

I’m just curious about the application of the rule; not contesting it.

I’m secure in my faith as a follower of Jesus despite the teaching against me. To be clear, I’m not seeking moderator action against the member who is teaching it. I’m using it to my advantage.

 

[rockytopva]

There are times when Christians did not bear arms -> the first three hundred years of Christian history, and millions Christians since down through the centuries.

In my opinion - I’m not a moderator here and have no interest whatsoever in being a moderator - ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” implies that conscientious objectors - Desmond Dawson (US military hero) has been cited as a famous example - are not Christian.

I’m just curious about the application of the rule; not contesting it.

If you were married and had a family... And someone broke into your home... Would you be willing to defend them?

 

[rockytopva]

There are times when Christians did not bear arms -> the first three hundred years of Christian history, for example, and millions of Christians since down through the centuries.

In my opinion - I’m not a moderator here and have no interest whatsoever in being a moderator - ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” implies that conscientious objectors - Desmond Dawson (US military hero) has been cited as a famous example - are not Christian.

I’m just curious about the application of the rule; not contesting it.

I’m secure in my faith as a follower of Jesus despite the teaching against me.

World War 2... I have had people serve in the military against the Germans and Japanese. Does that make them criminals?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Martin Luther, though, had a huge impact on people like John Wesley and John Bunyan, author of the Pilgrims Progress.

Yes and within the doctrine that he espoused is a lot of false doctrine.

That's the problem with the so called "reformers"

They failed to simply go back to God's Word.

Similar to going to a bible college or to a seminary - they teach the majority of the time about what men thought God said rather than going to the Source of Truth which is God's Word.

That's why all their class assignments are to study the writings of men rather than the Bible.

And when they do study the Bible it's always interpreted based on the writings of men who were deceived by the devil in to accepting false doctrine.

It's what Jesus warned about in Math 24 saying many would some in His Name deceiving many

In other words, they'll come claiming to be teaching the Truth of God's Word claiming to be speaking for the Lord when in reality they are speaking lies of the devil

If you were married and had a family... And someone broke into your home... Would you be willing to defend them?

In an extreme case like that, I'd be providing some lead poisoning to the perp

I'd also be in prayer asking the Lord to impress on the guy that he's about to die if he does not immediately leave

 

[Matthias]

If you were married and had a family... And someone broke into your home... Would you be willing to defend them?

Yes.

 

[rockytopva]

Yes.

Good answer... And I believe in the Crusades as long as they were defending themselves. But I would have to agree that there were offenses committed by them that were indeed very much in the wrong.

 

[Matthias]

World War 2... I have had people serve in the military against the Germans and Japanese. Does that make them criminals?

Criminals? No.

Desmond Dawson was a Seventh Day Adventist. ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” implies that he was not a Christian. No?



Have you by chance watched the movie?

 

[rockytopva]

Criminals? No.

Desmond Dawson was a Seventh Day Adventist. ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” implies that he was not a Christian. No?

In which case, then, we are left to our sense of judgement... What do I do in this situation? Any man who has a conscience tender to speaking of the Holy Spirit will recognize right from wrong decisions.

 

[Matthias]

In which case, then, we are left to our sense of judgement... What do I do in this situation?

You’re the moderator and you directed our attention to the important rule. What do I, a primitive Christian, think you should do in this situation? I’ve selfishly asked you not to enforce the rule against the member who is teaching ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” - even though it implies that I’m not a Christian - and you haven’t enforced it. (I appreciate that.) Since no one is complaining, I’d say steady as she goes. If someone complains? You can cross that bridge if you come to it.

Any man who has a conscience tender to speaking of the Holy Spirit will recognize right from wrong decisions.

 

[rockytopva]

You’re the moderator and you directed our attention to the important rule. What do I, a primitive Christian, think you should do in this situation? I’ve asked you not to enforce the rule against the member who is teaching ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill”, even though it implies that I’m not a Christian, and you haven’t. (I appreciate that.) Since no one is complaining, I’d say steady as she goes. If someone complains? You can cross that bridge if you come to it.

”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” Is a man made statement and not Bible. But... There are times when we are at war and are armed and ready to kill. My Uncle was a sharp shooter during WW2. I asked him if he killed anybody? He said he did not know. He would close his eyes after pulling the trigger.

 

[rockytopva]

You’re the moderator and you directed our attention to the important rule. What do I, a primitive Christian, think you should do in this situation? I’ve selfishly asked you not to enforce the rule against the member who is teaching ”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” - even though it implies that I’m not a Christian - and you haven’t enforced it. (I appreciate that.) Since no one is complaining, I’d say steady as she goes. If someone complains? You can cross that bridge if you come to it.

If you considered yourself a primitive Christian I would accept you in all of that. My favorite teacher these days is Zac Poonen, who steers clear of much American doctrine. In which I would tell him... Good for you!

 

[Matthias]

”You are not a follower of Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” Is a man made statement and not Bible.

Does it violate the important rule when used as a weapon against Christians who aren’t “armed, ready to kill”?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

My favorite teacher these days is Zac Poonen, who steers clear of much American doctrine

Is he still around?

I listened to some of his videos on youtube a few years back and he seemed pretty good.

A concern would be many of the preachers from India subscribe to a few hindu teachings too.

Over in India they have many "gods" and frequently when some one says they accept Jesus and got saved it means they believe Jesus is one of many ways unto salvation.

 

[Matthias]

If you considered yourself a primitive Christian …

I do, and have publicly stated so many times on the forum over the past three years.

I would accept you in all of that. My favorite teacher these days is Zac Poonen, who steers clear of much American doctrine. In which I would tell him... Good for you!