Reason for The Crusades explained

[rvmb]

True. His evading my question. Its like being dishonest and I have no time for it.
He thinks he would let the invaders kill him and his family. We would defend ourselves. That's where we differ

""He thinks he would let the invaders kill him and his family. We would defend ourselves. That's where we differ""
Matt 5:21-22 I believe supports your right to defend your family because you ARE NOT 'without a cause'
21... Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment

 

[Matthias]

Those who oppose the teaching of Jesus and the apostles on how to treat enemies are determined to live and die by the sword -> to live as the world lives, not as Jesus, the apostles and the primitive Christians lived.

“Do unto my evil enemy as my evil enemy has done or would do unto me” is a winner in the eyes of the world. The admonition I give to my readers is follow the teaching of Jesus and the apostles, not the teaching of the world.

 

[Matthias]

Take the log out of your eye first then you will be able to take the speck out of your brothers

He is not my brother but, that salient point aside, I have taken the log out of my eye. The story of how, when, where and why that occurred is posted on the forum. I invite you to read it. From what little I’ve learned about you in the past 48 hours, I don’t think it would be of much interest to you. It doesn’t fit his / your narrative about me.

I answer no more question to you about this.

That’s fine. I have no more questions for you.

You have proven to be a hypocrite as you would defend yourself as the crusaders did.
I rest my case.

I would defend myself but, as I have pointed out numerous times, I wouldn’t do it as they did. Common sense alone should have caused you to see and understand that, even without my elaboration.

Case awarded to the Crusaders.

They will be held accountable for their atrocities in a higher court.

Did the righteous thing by defending themselves and their families against evil as commanded by Paul in Ephesians 6

Atrocities are never righteous. Disobeying the teaching of Jesus and the apostles is never righteous.

“We don’t use the weapons of the world,” said Paul. The Crusaders, as I think you would agree - but might not - did use the weapons of the world. They were every bit as brutal and savage as the Muslims.

“Brutal” and Savage” aren’t terms characteristic of the disciples of Jesus.

Case closed

I don’t think you have that much self-control but perhaps you do. Show me.

The Crusaders killed Christians and Jews who were not attacking them, nor their families.

The followers of Jesus don’t behave in that manner.

 

[Matthias]

Pope regrets crusade of 800 years ago

In his latest effort to patch up relations with Orthodox Christians, Pope John Paul II has expressed "disgust and pain" for the Catholic sacking of Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade in 1204.

iol.co.za

Pope John Paul II didn’t share the sentiments of the “case closed” crowd, and it is their right not to agree with him on the matter. I’m not persuaded by them (and neither was the Pope.)

 

[Armour of God]

He is not my brother but, that salient point aside, I have taken the log out of my eye. The story of how, when, where and why that occurred is posted on the forum. I invite you to read it. From what little I’ve learned about you in the past 48 hours, I don’t think it would be of much interest to you. It doesn’t fit his / your narrative about me.



That’s fine. I have no more questions for you.



I would defend myself but, as I have pointed out numerous times, I wouldn’t do it as they did. Common sense alone should have caused you to see and understand that, even without my elaboration.



They will be held accountable for their atrocities in a higher court.



Atrocities are never righteous. Disobeying the teaching of Jesus and the apostles is never righteous.

“We don’t use the weapons of the world,” said Paul. The Crusaders, as I think you would agree - but might not - did use the weapons of the world. They were every bit as brutal and savage as the Muslims.

“Brutal” and Savage” aren’t terms characteristic of the disciples of Jesus.



I don’t think you have that much self-control but perhaps you do. Show me.

The Crusaders killed Christians and Jews who were not attacking them, nor their families.

The followers of Jesus don’t behave in that manner.

Remove the log from your eye

 

[Matthias]

Remove the log from your eye

You obviously didn’t read my story. Am I surprised? No.

 

[Armour of God]

You obviously didn’t read my story. Am I surprised? No.

I see a big log in your eye my friend.
You should have it removed
God bless

 

[Matthias]

I see a big log in your eye my friend.

The Pope made a public apology. You can’t, and we both know why you can’t.

You should have it removed

It was removed, thank God.

God bless

 

[Armour of God]

""He thinks he would let the invaders kill him and his family. We would defend ourselves. That's where we differ""
Matt 5:21-22 I believe supports your right to defend your family because you ARE NOT 'without a cause'
21... Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment

True

It wasn't that Matthias on this forum was saying he would surrender allowing the invaders to kill him and his family, as i thought he was saying. I would respect him more if he did cos that's what he expected the Crusaders to do.

Instead he admits that he would defend himself and his family which completely goes against what he was saying all along.
It's hypocrisy at its finest.

"I can defend myself but they cant" he says

 

[Matthias]

True

It wasn't that Matthias on this forum was saying he would surrender allowing the invaders to kill him and his family. I would respect him more if he did cos that's what he expected the Crusaders to do.

I couldn’t care less about whether or not you respect me.

Instead he admits that he would defend himself and his family which completely goes against what he was saying all along.
It's hypocrisy at its finest.

"I can defend myself but they cant" he says

It’s hard for me to believe that you really can’t see that there is a huge difference between the way the Crusaders defended themselves and the way a conscientious objector would defend himself. But here we are.

The Pope publicly apologized. Do you respect the Pope? (Be true to your word. Don’t answer my question. Treat it as a rhetorical question.)

 

[Matthias]

You aren’t interested in reading my conversion story @Armour of God (that’s perfectly fine) and I’ve learned everything about you that I wanted to know at this time. Thank you for the conversation. Good night.

 

[Armour of God]

You aren’t interested in reading my conversion story @Armour of God (that’s perfectly fine) and I’ve learned everything about you that I wanted to know at this time. Thank you for the conversation. Good night.

My brother, that log is still in your eye

 

[rvmb]

Those who oppose the teaching of Jesus and the apostles on how to treat enemies are determined to live and die by the sword -> to live as the world lives, not as Jesus, the apostles and the primitive Christians lived.

“Do unto my evil enemy as my evil enemy has done or would do unto me” is a winner in the eyes of the world. The admonition I give to my readers is follow the teaching of Jesus and the apostles, not the teaching of the world.

Romans 13:4
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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[Matthias]

My brother, that log is still in your eye

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I’m not your brother and your vision is impaired. If you read the Pope’s apology, it might begin to clear.

 

[Matthias]

Romans 13:4
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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That’s right.

 

[rvmb]

True

It wasn't that Matthias on this forum was saying he would surrender allowing the invaders to kill him and his family, as i thought he was saying. I would respect him more if he did cos that's what he expected the Crusaders to do.

Instead he admits that he would defend himself and his family which completely goes against what he was saying all along.
It's hypocrisy at its finest.

"I can defend myself but they cant" he says

Matt 5:21-22 appears to receive further support from Paul.
Rom 13:4
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

 

[Armour of God]

I’m not your brother

My brother, you may hate me because of our disagreement and reject me as a brother but I still love you

 

[rvmb]

That’s right.

Rom 13:4
A human (minister) executing wrath on a human that does evil.
Minister kills someone about to murder.
Thou shalt not (pre-planned intentionally) kill is the sin

 

[Armour of God]

Matt 5:21-22 appears to receive further support from Paul.
Rom 13:4
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Paul also says

Ephesians 6:10-12
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

We are allowed to defend ourselves

 

[Matthias]

My brother …

You aren’t hearing / understanding me.

… you may hate me because of our disagreement and reject me as a brother but I still love you

Among other things, I’m a retired minister of the lord Jesus Messiah. You may rest assured that I don’t hate you. My brothers and sisters don’t treat their enemies the way you treat yours.