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“Certainly it would take much time to repair the damage which had been inflicted from the warmongers.”
(Ergun Mehmet Caner & Emir Fethi Caner, Christian Jihad, p. 104)
The Christian speaker in the video (see post #1) had an opportunity to repair the damage but didn’t take advantage of it. Did the Muslim trap him? No. The Muslim exploited him.
Christianity is the religion of peace
The Christian speaker in the video doesn’t believe that is true. Neither do you. Neither do @Armour of God and @NayborBear. I do.
In this thread (and others) I’ve repeatedly been accused of being a Muslim apologist / sympathizer.
In this thread (and others) I’ve vigorously defended ”Christianity is the religion of peace” against violent Christian and Muslim assaults against it. (And so have others.)
It takes much time - and a great deal of patient effort - to repair the damage.
P.S.
Pacifism isn’t passive. Have my interlocutors still not learned that lesson?
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Returning to the video, which I‘ve done so many times now - but less and less beyond the first 25 seconds.
“The question was, ‘Am I saying that with Christianity comes peace?’
No. I’m not.
I’m saying that with Christ comes peace.”
Pause. This is the critical point in the video.
If it’s true - and it is - that with Christ comes peace, then something has gone terribly wrong with Christianity.
With Christ comes peace.
Hold on to that. Defend that to your dying breath.
With Christianity came violence.
That’s the betrayal of Christ and his way that the Christian sources I’ve drawn upon spoke about.
With Christ comes peace.
With Christianity came peace; and it was, and it is, persecuted by those duped by the devil. That’s what the Christian speaker should have said to the Muslim.
“The question was, ‘Am I saying that with Christianity comes peace?’
No. I’m not.
I’m saying that with Christ comes peace.”
Pause. This is the critical point in the video.
If it’s true - and it is - that with Christ comes peace, then something has gone terribly wrong with Christianity.
With Christ comes peace.
Hold on to that. Defend that to your dying breath.
With Christianity came violence.
That’s the betrayal of Christ and his way that the Christian sources I’ve drawn upon spoke about.
With Christ comes peace.
With Christianity came peace; and it was, and it is, persecuted by those duped by the devil. That’s what the Christian speaker should have said to the Muslim.
“The question was, ‘Am I saying that with Christianity comes peace?’
No. I’m not.”
Pause.
In his place, I would have said, “Yes, I am.”
He couldn’t say it because he doesn’t believe it. Neither does the Muslim.
No. I’m not.”
Pause.
In his place, I would have said, “Yes, I am.”
He couldn’t say it because he doesn’t believe it. Neither does the Muslim.
Muslims (and Christians who agree with them) need to be persuaded that with Christianity came peace.
“Another parable He put forth to them, saying: ‘The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. But when the grain has sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.”
(Matthew 13:24-25, NKJV)
This parable follows on the heels of the parable of the sower. The good seed of that parable is the gospel of peace. That is how with Christianity came peace.
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“We counsel violence.” - the tares
“We counsel peace.“ - the wheat
The tares then say to the wheat, “You are fiercely anti-Scriptural.”
I say to the tares and to the Muslims, look at the New Testament and look at the first three hundred years of Christian history. That is Christianity that lives “With Christ comes peace.” That is Christianity which teaches, preaches and practices what Jesus and the apostles taught, preached and practiced.
“But what about the Crusades?” the tares and the Muslims ask.
I’ve answered them time and time again.
”Kill him!” comes, or may come, the reply. Or more benignly, “Ignore him.”
Many a man who taught, preached and lived the gospel of peace has been confronted with that threat and responded to it the Messiah’s way.
With Jesus the Messiah came peace, and he was rejected, despised, persecuted, tortured, and killed.
What happened to Jesus will happen, to some degree, to his followers.
The way the wheat responds to the treatment they receive at the hands of their enemies is the way that Jesus and the apostles responded.
“Another parable He put forth to them, saying: ‘The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. But when the grain has sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.”
(Matthew 13:24-25, NKJV)
This parable follows on the heels of the parable of the sower. The good seed of that parable is the gospel of peace. That is how with Christianity came peace.
***
“We counsel violence.” - the tares
“We counsel peace.“ - the wheat
The tares then say to the wheat, “You are fiercely anti-Scriptural.”
I say to the tares and to the Muslims, look at the New Testament and look at the first three hundred years of Christian history. That is Christianity that lives “With Christ comes peace.” That is Christianity which teaches, preaches and practices what Jesus and the apostles taught, preached and practiced.
“But what about the Crusades?” the tares and the Muslims ask.
I’ve answered them time and time again.
”Kill him!” comes, or may come, the reply. Or more benignly, “Ignore him.”
Many a man who taught, preached and lived the gospel of peace has been confronted with that threat and responded to it the Messiah’s way.
With Jesus the Messiah came peace, and he was rejected, despised, persecuted, tortured, and killed.
What happened to Jesus will happen, to some degree, to his followers.
The way the wheat responds to the treatment they receive at the hands of their enemies is the way that Jesus and the apostles responded.
“The three subsequent Crusades accomplished nothing more than the further blurring of the original purposes for which the Crusades were called and any distinction between Christian and nonbeliever.”
(Ergun Mehmet Caner & Emir Fethi Caner, Christian Jihad, p. 130)
Bold is mine.
“Blurring … any distinction between Christian and nonbeliever.”
That should never happen. Defending what should never happen must never happen.
(Ergun Mehmet Caner & Emir Fethi Caner, Christian Jihad, p. 130)
Bold is mine.
“Blurring … any distinction between Christian and nonbeliever.”
That should never happen. Defending what should never happen must never happen.
The way of Muhammad is the way of the sword, not the way of peace.
Which is to say, the way of Muhammad is not the way of Jesus.
“If we truly want to be relevant today, we must proclaim the ancient gospel.” - Burk Parsons
The “ancient gospel” is the gospel of peace.
“Enough of this. it’s impractical. Ignore that man.”
Before you adopt that posture, test the spirit.
The “ancient gospel” is the gospel of peace.
“Enough of this. it’s impractical. Ignore that man.”
Before you adopt that posture, test the spirit.
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