Reconciliation

[aspen]

Please list all the necessary requirements it will take to unite the Catholic Church with the Protestant Church.

Non-negotiable the doctrine of the Trinity.

Please fill free to make suggestions.

 

[burningfire]

Please list all the necessary requirements it will take to unite the Catholic Church with the Protestant Church.

Non-negotiable the doctrine of the Trinity.

Please fill free to make suggestions.

Praying to Saints and Mary

1 Timothy 2:5 ---- For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

 

[aspen]

I understand your concern about Mary and the saints, Burning.

It was a real concern of mine when I became Catholic. The good news is that both are optional for catholics.

We can find common ground in this area.

I think this is important in the coming Muslim era.

 

[Templar81]

it would ahve to be a broard church like the Anglican Communion and there would ahve to be a lot of autonomy for individual dioceses's. That woudl allow veneration of Saints, relics and Sacred Icons (More Orthodox than RC) to be optional and up to the individual diocese, congregation and even the individual person.

With most enominations you have to believe what that denomination believes when you sign up e.g. the Catechism of teh Catholic Church for example but in a a broard chruch like the Church of England (and Anglican Communion) for example there isa lot of variety between those who wish to be liturgical and those who are more evangelical and there are even charismatics. Yes, there are anglicans who can speak in tongues (I can't but I know people who can). It is I know a double edged sword as there are many who want to go to rome who are disatisfied with the ordination of women, which I can understand.

I just think that if such a thing were to heappen then there could not be too much rigidity as this woudl cause people to leave but at the same time there would have to be soemthing that pulls people together, not jsut as Christians but holds the church together I mean. It coudl work or it could be a really horrible mess.

Personally I think that all trinitarian christians should be united and should learn to live and let live with one another's differences and respect one another's differing beliefs and churchmanship but shoudl still be separate churches. I think that in having many denominations it allows all christians to find somewhere in which they feel they belong.

 

[Selene]

it would ahve to be a broard church like the Anglican Communion and there would ahve to be a lot of autonomy for individual dioceses's. That woudl allow veneration of Saints, relics and Sacred Icons (More Orthodox than RC) to be optional and up to the individual diocese, congregation and even the individual person.

With most enominations you have to believe what that denomination believes when you sign up e.g. the Catechism of teh Catholic Church for example but in a a broard chruch like the Church of England (and Anglican Communion) for example there isa lot of variety between those who wish to be liturgical and those who are more evangelical and there are even charismatics. Yes, there are anglicans who can speak in tongues (I can't but I know people who can). It is I know a double edged sword as there are many who want to go to rome who are disatisfied with the ordination of women, which I can understand.

I just think that if such a thing were to heappen then there could not be too much rigidity as this woudl cause people to leave but at the same time there would have to be soemthing that pulls people together, not jsut as Christians but holds the church together I mean. It coudl work or it could be a really horrible mess.

Personally I think that all trinitarian christians should be united and should learn to live and let live with one another's differences and respect one another's differing beliefs and churchmanship but shoudl still be separate churches. I think that in having many denominations it allows all christians to find somewhere in which they feel they belong.

I have heard that the Anglican Church wish to reunite with Rome. I'm sure there would be some trials in the transition period. I know that the Anglicans are allowed to keep their vestments and colors among other things. If I am not mistaken, some of your priests are married, and that would also be respected by the Vatican. Afterall, celibacy is a discipline in the Roman Catholic Church rather than a dogma. There are also charismatic movements within the Roman Catholic Church. As for those speaking in tongues.....the only ones I know are those gifted with languages. My priest can speak 7 different languages fluently. I would call that "speaking in tongues."

 

[aspen]

I have heard that the Anglican Church wish to reunite with Rome. I'm sure there would be some trials in the transition period. I know that the Anglicans are allowed to keep their vestments and colors among other things. If I am not mistaken, some of your priests are married, and that would also be respected by the Vatican. Afterall, celibacy is a discipline in the Roman Catholic Church rather than a dogma. There are also charismatic movements within the Roman Catholic Church. As for those speaking in tongues.....the only ones I know are those gifted with languages. My priest can speak 7 different languages fluently. I would call that "speaking in tongues."

I already accept Anglicans and orthodox as church members......in fact, many Protestants would be welcome without compromise..........I am simply thinking ahead to the rising Muslim giant......

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

Things I'm not in favor of,,,,,, Since you asked. Here's a short list.


Priests being able to forgive sins. The Pope as the Vicar of Christ rather than just the head of the earthly governing body of a denomination. Forbiding priests and nuns to marry. The Rosary,,,, IE praying to Mary or any saints. Relics. Pennance for sins. Belief in Purgatory, Paying to get a shorter time in purgatory. Infant baptism. Everything about communion.

The absolute number one thing I believe the Catholic church should change is,,,,,,,,

The belief that only Priests are able to interpret, teach, and explain the Bible.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Please list all the necessary requirements it will take to unite the Catholic Church with the Protestant Church.
Non-negotiable the doctrine of the Trinity.
Please fill free to make suggestions.

My instant answer is that you and I are already reconciled Aspen. (Assuming you are Catholic and I am Protestant) . We are on common ground in important doctrine and I expect we will both get to heaven. Each of us with our own pet quirks, and pet doctrines and our individual imperfections.

I think it starts there , but your question was about "the big church" institutions we both have , and how it might relate in view of the modern Muslim fervor we are seeing..

Probably a quick and easy start would be to list the fundamental doctrines that we agree on , and show the world our unity in those (important) issues.

And then we must also plead guilty to having many pet doctrines that are at odds with one another, and will likely never change. Blame human nature , or tradition, but be honest about it. The 7 churches in revelation were markedly different in certain areas , but they still fit under the Christian banner. The first Corinthian church did nearly everything wrong , but still were fully under the christian banner.

In summary , I think an agreement of most doctrine by large denominations could be achieved (for the world to see) , but it is just as important that we acknowledge our imperfections (to the world) and let people know that Christ allows us to be wrong on some issues, as long as we solid are in Christ on the parts that count.

talk later
Arnie
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ps: My join date is new on the forum but I have been here since 2008 .... but during some forum software changes I could not log back in. Also all the posts from years ago did not convert properly. Folks would quote something they did not agree with , add a reply , but the updated forum blended them together and misrepresented the original statements ,

 

[Templar81]

Selene!

It sin't going to re-unite with Rome, that's not forseeable just yet but Pope Benedict is making it easier for Anglicans to come accross to Rome when they are dissafected. I just hope he's not trying to poach our members, which is unfortunatly what it looks like.

If a proper union was ever going to happen then Rome would have to accept our female clergy as well as married male clergy. Anglican priests can take a vow of celibacy if they wish and be called Father instead of reverand if they so wish but the vast majority do marry

Clerical celibacy is something which I feel should be an option and not insisted on. If Roman Catholic priests were able to marry it would give them a whole different perspective on family life. I udnerstand though now that if a married Catholic man becomes Ordained he does not have to give up his wife, but I don't know if he is suppsoed to practice chastity within that marriage. Do you know, Selene?

 

[Selene]

Selene!

It sin't going to re-unite with Rome, that's not forseeable just yet but Pope Benedict is making it easier for Anglicans to come accross to Rome when they are dissafected. I just hope he's not trying to poach our members, which is unfortunatly what it looks like.

If a proper union was ever going to happen then Rome would have to accept our female clergy as well as married male clergy. Anglican priests can take a vow of celibacy if they wish and be called Father instead of reverand if they so wish but the vast majority do marry

Clerical celibacy is something which I feel should be an option and not insisted on. If Roman Catholic priests were able to marry it would give them a whole different perspective on family life. I udnerstand though now that if a married Catholic man becomes Ordained he does not have to give up his wife, but I don't know if he is suppsoed to practice chastity within that marriage. Do you know, Selene?

My priest was the first one who told me that the Anglican Church has expressed a desire to unite with Rome because the Anglican Church is being split over doctrines. According to a news report that I read, many Anglicans were against the ordination of women. Rome has already accepted some Anglican priests who are married. When a person is married, they do not practice chastity. Chastity is only for those who are single. Below is the news report.

http://www.timesonli...icle1403702.ece

 

[aspen]

Selene!

It sin't going to re-unite with Rome, that's not forseeable just yet but Pope Benedict is making it easier for Anglicans to come accross to Rome when they are dissafected. I just hope he's not trying to poach our members, which is unfortunatly what it looks like.

If a proper union was ever going to happen then Rome would have to accept our female clergy as well as married male clergy. Anglican priests can take a vow of celibacy if they wish and be called Father instead of reverand if they so wish but the vast majority do marry

Clerical celibacy is something which I feel should be an option and not insisted on. If Roman Catholic priests were able to marry it would give them a whole different perspective on family life. I udnerstand though now that if a married Catholic man becomes Ordained he does not have to give up his wife, but I don't know if he is suppsoed to practice chastity within that marriage. Do you know, Selene?

I was Presbyterian before becoming Catholic and I have always accepted women clergy - I think it is unfortunate that the Catholic Church does not - especially since Paul worked with women Deacons!

I also think that celibacy has run it's course as well. The fact is, celibacy used to set the clergy apart in a good way - they were able to fully commit to God and their parish, but the world has changed. Now, marriage is becoming rare and married clergy could be a real witness for family values and examples for their parishes. The habit that nuns used to wear were the clothing of the common people - now they make nuns stick out instead of blend in - losing the habit has been a positive change in American Catholic culture and so could married clergy. If the clergy wanted to remain celebrate and be supported by other celebrate people, they could join an Order.