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Later New Testament translations are from the Alexandrian texts that Wescott & Hort presented as being older and more reliable than the Textus Receptus that the KJV used. In reality, the Alexandrian texts contain corruptions from Gnosticism, as the early Christian school at Alexandria, Egypt was a liberal, philosophical school influenced by Greek philosophy. But just because the Alexandrian texts are older than the Textus Receptus, Wescott & Hort in the late 1880's declared them to be more accurate, when that is not really true. Secular humanism was one of the philosophical tenets of Gnosticism, pivoting especially on the false idea that Jesus is not God.

"Christian" Gnosticisms Corruptions

Rom 7:17-18
18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.

NIV

Rom 7:18
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

KJV

Gnosticism made a distinction between our inner nature, as if it was not connected to sins of the flesh, but to some inner invisible force separate from our flesh. Reason is because they believe in perfection within a flesh body, when God's Word reveals only The Son of God could be born in the flesh and still be God and without sin.

The Textus Receptus makes it clear that it is the desires our flesh that causes most of our sinning (see Galatians 5 in the KJV).

So where you say sin comes from?
 
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God is outside time and knew the life each baby born before the flood would have lived. Think!!
 
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1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by MAN came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Isaiah 14:3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Hebrews 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

When God punished man bringing forth mortality, He brought forth the enmity to the carnal mind, DEATH and the FEAR of it. God caused man to have to serve the flesh in order to live. Such is our bondage and Jesus is the man anointed with God's Spirit who through that Spirit was able to overcome it.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The first man had an ignorant spirit, whereas the other man was called to righteousness being given the Spirit not by measure, the Spirit of Wisdom, Understanding, Council and Might, Knowledge and Fear of the the LORD. No wonder one failed and one was promised by the LORD not to, as MAN CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, ONLY GOD IS GOOD.

All of us have been born living in the fear of death, where by our very nature we serve our flesh in order to live. Jesus is our example of a man that was able to overcome, he overcame because God was with him directing all his ways through God's anointing Spirit. By our faith in the operation of God unto him we are set free, promised to be perfected as he was perfected, promised to be JOINT heirs with Christ.

Colossians 212 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
 
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God is outside time and knew the life each baby born before the flood would have lived. Think!!
Again, physically, how many babies were spared with Noah in the days of the flood?
Please select an answer:
1. Ten
2. 30,218
3. None
4. Eight
 

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So where you say sin comes from?

From the devil, like 1 John 3:8 reveals. You already know that sin produces death, so who was given the power of death? The Devil, but why? Because he was actually the very first that sinned against God in coveting His throne. And that happened prior to Adam and Eve in God's Garden. By the time of Genesis 2, the Devil was already in his role as adversary. This is why also the future "lake of fire" has been prepared, for the Devil has already been judged and sentenced to perish (Isaiah 30:33; Matt.25).
 

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From the devil, like 1 John 3:8 reveals. You already know that sin produces death, so who was given the power of death? The Devil, but why? Because he was actually the very first that sinned against God in coveting His throne. And that happened prior to Adam and Eve in God's Garden. By the time of Genesis 2, the Devil was already in his role as adversary. This is why also the future "lake of fire" has been prepared, for the Devil has already been judged and sentenced to perish (Isaiah 30:33; Matt.25).

bro! that's incorrect, sin comes from man using his own free will in the wrong way because of our carnal nature!! the devil is the author of sin john 8:44 not the creator of sin, coz he sinned in the beginning!! 1 john 3:8 is just a connotation dat john uses 2 describe a type of person who sins comparing them 2 the devil dats all.
 

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bro! that's incorrect, sin comes from man using his own free will in the wrong way because of our carnal nature!! the devil is the author of sin john 8:44 not the creator of sin, coz he sinned in the beginning!! 1 john 3:8 is just a connotation dat john uses 2 describe a type of person who sins comparing them 2 the devil dats all.

I agree that sin comes from man, it comes from our imaginations when we seek to fulfill our mental and physical desires.

Genesis 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Jeremiah 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

Jeremiah 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

Proverbs 1:31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

I believe that the devil/diabolos/slanderer-false accuser-liar in John 8:44 represents the sin in Cain, that likewise dwells in all men due to being carnal. Cain was both a liar and a murderer.

Genesis 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be HIS desire, and thou shalt rule over HIM. 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. 9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

Sinful thoughts come from our imagination.

Our imagination produces all kinds of slander and lies against what the truth is. Superstitions and false gods are the work of man's own imagination and such are slander unto our true God.
 
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den why du have a fake cross, a fake jesus and the mary idolatry prayer underneath your posts?

I do not have a fake cross, the Cross is called the Risen Christ Crucifix is shows Christ victory which with your bias you missed and of course decided to judge instead of find out the truth. The Hail Mary prayer is not idolatry it is from Scripture, maybe you hate the Bible since you can not write properly? The Church I belong to is called the Charismatic Episcopal Church and here is some info about it:

The Church is the Charismatic Episcopal Church, not affiliated with the ECUSA we are an autocephalous Church started in 1992.

we are a convergence Church. Here is the main site: International Communion of the Charismatic Episcopal Church



Here are a couple videos about the CEC
and




We believe:


Quote :
The ICCEC believes in the dogmatic statements of the Seven Ecumenical Councils of the undivided church, apostolic succession, the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the authority of scripture, and the validity of the charismatic revival as a genuine movement of God.

The ICCEC accepts a 66 book Old and New Testament as the Word of God, containing all things necessary to salvation. The additional deuterocanonical books may be read in public worship, but are not used to formulate dogma or doctrine.

In 1999 the ICCEC issued The San Clemente Declaration, a statement of principles governing the CEC's communion with other Christian bodies.

The articles of the declaration are as follows:

In earnest anticipation for a future revelation of the fullness of unity of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church, the International Communion of the Charismatic Episcopal Church adheres to these articles of unity exemplified by the undivided Catholic Church during the first eleven centuries:

1. The sacred Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments as the written Word of God, the chief witness to apostolic teaching, the source of the Church's nourishment and strength.

2. The Apostles Creed as the Baptismal symbol; and the Nicene Creed as the sufficient statement of the Christian faith.

3. The Seven Sacraments established by Christ, including: Baptism, Eucharist, Confirmation, Confession/Reconciliation, Holy Matrimony, Holy Orders, Healing/Unction.

4. The Historic Episcopate in Apostolic Succession, the gift of Christ's authority to the Church and the trustee of the Church's fidelity to apostolic teaching.

Charismatic Episcopal Church - Wikipedia

Here is a brochure http://cecplanters.com/documents/CEC_brochure.pdf


and here is a good explanation it all:

Quote :
Possibly "the" basic tenet of the Charismatic Episcopal Church is the vision of reuniting the three primary branches or focuses or styles of the three major subsets of Christian parish or congregational life. Ours is one of only a very few movements (for lack of a better word) that is committed to being Sacramental, Evangelical, and Charismatic. Many individual congregations openly express interest in being perhaps two of these three, but rarely are all three found in a parish. Unless it happens to be a CEC parish whose rector is committed to keeping all three streams moving together.

Sacramental:
where the Sunday service is a liturgy with the main focal point being Communion, from the Table. Call it "The Lord's Supper", Eucharist, or Mass, it is a well-defined service with regular and occasional or seasonal components to it. There are several accepted liturgies and several variations on those. For most parishes in the CEC, it would almost seem to be a dominant stream, while for others, the Eucharistic liturgy is the framework on which our worship is pinned. I like to use the analogy of stud walls for a house. The basic frame is set, but it's flexible enough so that the celebrant can respond instantly to the Spirit's leading and then come back to the framework to continue the service; different colored walls & windows & siding, even different wall placements, but still the same basic superstructure.

Evangelical:
where the Sunday service is usually heavily centered on teaching and equipping. There is often still a form of liturgy in these services, but Communion takes a different focus, often monthly, quarterly, or even annually. It is not the central focus of these congregations. That focus is about being hearers and doers of the Word. And as this label implies, many evangelical parishes are also very focused on making converts and/or disciples. Decisions for Christ, as renowned evangelist Billy Graham has come to call them. Interface with the world, expose them to the Gospel, to the Jesus that lives in you, pray that they see the need in their lives, answer their questions, pray that sinner's prayer, get them into the Word and the Word into them, then help them become life-long disciples, equipping them to help THEM find others in need.

Charismatic:
where the Sunday service is somewhat like the Evangelical service above, but there is a bit more of a focus on the person and the deeds of the Holy Spirit, especially in the exercise of the Gifts of the Spirit in the typical Sunday service. There is often still a heavy emphasis on teaching and preaching, but ministry through signs and wonders and the encouragement to "walk in the Spirit" in our daily lives, allowing the Holy Spirit to guide us in things large and small, to use His gifts through us to affect our world, even as tools for evangelism.

Enter the ICCEC, where born-again believers come together on a regular basis to share in the mysterious/mystical, real presence of Christ in the Sacramental Supper, to hear the Word, to be equipped, to operate in the Gifts of the Spirit and to receive ministry in those same gifts. It's an amazing thing, this ICCEC and convergence worship

What is Convergence worship? and here is a link with even more information Three Streams?


One last document gives our history:

ABOUT THE ICCEC-pn-1.doc

You should never assume something about someone's religion without finding out the truth.
 
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bro! that's incorrect, sin comes from man using his own free will in the wrong way because of our carnal nature!! the devil is the author of sin john 8:44 not the creator of sin, coz he sinned in the beginning!! 1 john 3:8 is just a connotation dat john uses 2 describe a type of person who sins comparing them 2 the devil dats all.


You have to explain that because man was not created with the ability to sin or sin was not in him. So back to square one, where did it come from if man (Adam) was not created in sin? You can't just say "man sins because of flesh." Where do you derive that logic from?
 

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I do not have a fake cross, the Cross is called the Risen Christ Crucifix is shows Christ victory which with your bias you missed and of course decided to judge instead of find out the truth. The Hail Mary prayer is not idolatry it is from Scripture, maybe you hate the Bible since you can not write properly? The Church I belong to is called the Charismatic Episcopal Church and here is some info about it:

The Church is the Charismatic Episcopal Church, not affiliated with the ECUSA we are an autocephalous Church started in 1992.

we are a convergence Church. Here is the main site: International Communion of the Charismatic Episcopal Church



Here are a couple videos about the CEC
and




We believe:


Quote :
The ICCEC believes in the dogmatic statements of the Seven Ecumenical Councils of the undivided church, apostolic succession, the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the authority of scripture, and the validity of the charismatic revival as a genuine movement of God.

The ICCEC accepts a 66 book Old and New Testament as the Word of God, containing all things necessary to salvation. The additional deuterocanonical books may be read in public worship, but are not used to formulate dogma or doctrine.

In 1999 the ICCEC issued The San Clemente Declaration, a statement of principles governing the CEC's communion with other Christian bodies.

The articles of the declaration are as follows:

In earnest anticipation for a future revelation of the fullness of unity of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church, the International Communion of the Charismatic Episcopal Church adheres to these articles of unity exemplified by the undivided Catholic Church during the first eleven centuries:

1. The sacred Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments as the written Word of God, the chief witness to apostolic teaching, the source of the Church's nourishment and strength.

2. The Apostles Creed as the Baptismal symbol; and the Nicene Creed as the sufficient statement of the Christian faith.

3. The Seven Sacraments established by Christ, including: Baptism, Eucharist, Confirmation, Confession/Reconciliation, Holy Matrimony, Holy Orders, Healing/Unction.

4. The Historic Episcopate in Apostolic Succession, the gift of Christ's authority to the Church and the trustee of the Church's fidelity to apostolic teaching.

Charismatic Episcopal Church - Wikipedia

Here is a brochure http://cecplanters.com/documents/CEC_brochure.pdf


and here is a good explanation it all:

Quote :
Possibly "the" basic tenet of the Charismatic Episcopal Church is the vision of reuniting the three primary branches or focuses or styles of the three major subsets of Christian parish or congregational life. Ours is one of only a very few movements (for lack of a better word) that is committed to being Sacramental, Evangelical, and Charismatic. Many individual congregations openly express interest in being perhaps two of these three, but rarely are all three found in a parish. Unless it happens to be a CEC parish whose rector is committed to keeping all three streams moving together.

Sacramental:
where the Sunday service is a liturgy with the main focal point being Communion, from the Table. Call it "The Lord's Supper", Eucharist, or Mass, it is a well-defined service with regular and occasional or seasonal components to it. There are several accepted liturgies and several variations on those. For most parishes in the CEC, it would almost seem to be a dominant stream, while for others, the Eucharistic liturgy is the framework on which our worship is pinned. I like to use the analogy of stud walls for a house. The basic frame is set, but it's flexible enough so that the celebrant can respond instantly to the Spirit's leading and then come back to the framework to continue the service; different colored walls & windows & siding, even different wall placements, but still the same basic superstructure.

Evangelical:
where the Sunday service is usually heavily centered on teaching and equipping. There is often still a form of liturgy in these services, but Communion takes a different focus, often monthly, quarterly, or even annually. It is not the central focus of these congregations. That focus is about being hearers and doers of the Word. And as this label implies, many evangelical parishes are also very focused on making converts and/or disciples. Decisions for Christ, as renowned evangelist Billy Graham has come to call them. Interface with the world, expose them to the Gospel, to the Jesus that lives in you, pray that they see the need in their lives, answer their questions, pray that sinner's prayer, get them into the Word and the Word into them, then help them become life-long disciples, equipping them to help THEM find others in need.

Charismatic:
where the Sunday service is somewhat like the Evangelical service above, but there is a bit more of a focus on the person and the deeds of the Holy Spirit, especially in the exercise of the Gifts of the Spirit in the typical Sunday service. There is often still a heavy emphasis on teaching and preaching, but ministry through signs and wonders and the encouragement to "walk in the Spirit" in our daily lives, allowing the Holy Spirit to guide us in things large and small, to use His gifts through us to affect our world, even as tools for evangelism.

Enter the ICCEC, where born-again believers come together on a regular basis to share in the mysterious/mystical, real presence of Christ in the Sacramental Supper, to hear the Word, to be equipped, to operate in the Gifts of the Spirit and to receive ministry in those same gifts. It's an amazing thing, this ICCEC and convergence worship

What is Convergence worship? and here is a link with even more information Three Streams?


One last document gives our history:

ABOUT THE ICCEC-pn-1.doc

You should never assume something about someone's religion without finding out the truth.

And you have the truth? man you are deluded!!!

man!! you have been spell bound and blinded by a false, demonic religion!! and u lied about not being a catholic!! and before u say (why u hating) I grow up catholic, I was a altar boy so I know how they roll,

bias!! dis is not bias!! dis is the truth, but u have not ears 2 hear as the bible says, and all ur do now is reply back wiv ur own feelings!! nothing substantial, just the same old blabber, no scripture 2 consolidate ur belief!! no solid history.

did is u in 2 thes 2:9-12

come away from dat false religion, repent for ur idolatry, and turn 2 the real Christ!!

Amen!!
 

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You have to explain that because man was not created with the ability to sin or sin was not in him. So back to square one, where did it come from if man (Adam) was not created in sin? You can't just say "man sins because of flesh." Where do you derive that logic from?

its truth and its logic that the almighty God gave me!!

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
 
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its truth and its logic that the almighty God gave me!!

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I'll buy that :) thanks
 

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bro! that's incorrect, sin comes from man using his own free will in the wrong way because of our carnal nature!! the devil is the author of sin john 8:44 not the creator of sin, coz he sinned in the beginning!! 1 john 3:8 is just a connotation dat john uses 2 describe a type of person who sins comparing them 2 the devil dats all.

Nah, that's just what you've been taught by the deceived who don't really understand what the devil originally did in the time of old. If you keep studying God's Word 'for yourself' with His help, you'll come to understand what started all rebellion against God, tied to the devil who sinned from the beginning like Apostle John said. This is why Apostle John said those who sin are of the devil, because the devil sinned from the beginning.
 
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Many people in churches today especially the cultic denominations like the catholic church and the watch tower group think that people are born sinners and not only that but even think they have a sinful nature that they can nether eradicate and that all they can do is just (strive) along and hope for the best and if they sin weather wilfully or unwilfully they can just ask God for forgiveness each time and it will be ok. This is wats been taught in most churches 2day people.
Catholics think that babies are born sinners!! Its why they sprinkle babies with water, if that’s the case den why does jesus say in matthew 18:3 you must become like a little child to enter into heaven, in other words babies are innocent.
How can a baby be a sinner? They barely have the capacity to even think let alone even move and yet their supposed have the understanding of wat sin is. Sin is not innate, its not done on impulse, sin is a choice acted out upon our free will which requires an understanding to begin with.
Sin is a premeditated thing which also has to be thought out, its deciding to or not 2 do something iver way the person doing it has an understanding of wat their doing. Yes we have inherited the carnal nature and incorruptible flesh from our ancestors but that’s not a licence. Sin is a choice, we can always choose to or not to regardless of our canal nature!!
Jesus said to the adulterer (Go and sin no more) john 8:5-11 was he commanding the impossible? Not according 2 deu 30:11 my commandments are not far from you. Not according 2 1 corith 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not (common to man). God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability.
Phil 4:13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Our obligations nether exceed our abilities if so then It would be unfair for God to command something that could nether be achieve.



You are born into the life given you. the life Adam and Eve had after the event with the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Which is dust to dust ashes to ashes, because the day they ate of the tree they died of the Life they received when God made them which is God’s image and likeness, not dust to dust. Hence now, separation from God, a state of sin. You are seen by God through Adam and Noah, if you are a gentile. If you are a Jew then you are seen by God through Adam, Noah, and also Abraham Isaac and Jacob. If you are born again, born of the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God in the name of Jesus Christ then God (now your Father in Heaven) sees you through His Beloved Son Jesus Christ, in whom there is no sin. Get it? Hence the state of separation from God is eliminated through Christ in Christ. What was lost is restored to God in Christ Jesus.
So the state received by the sons of man in relationship to God maybe described by many as original sin, the state is still sin. Sin is and act but its also a state or statues:

Joh 8:20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

its simple one is born into darkness when born into the world and remains in that darkness unless the Light find you. and the Light of the world is looking for the faithful. hence by grace through faith or through grace by faith. salvation is the same for all through Christ.
 
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You have to explain that because man was not created with the ability to sin or sin was not in him. So back to square one, where did it come from if man (Adam) was not created in sin? You can't just say "man sins because of flesh." Where do you derive that logic from?

Adam and Eve were created CAPABLE of sinning as they had a human spirit that was not perfect but full of ignorance.

Scripture tells you exactly where sin comes from, the imagination within man's heart.

When mortality was added to the flesh that placed the human spirit in bondage to the flesh where it had to be served now in order to live.






 

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Adam and Eve were created CAPABLE of sinning as they had a human spirit that was not perfect but full of ignorance.

Scripture tells you exactly where sin comes from, the imagination within man's heart.

When mortality was added to the flesh that placed the human spirit in bondage to the flesh where it had to be served now in order to live.
How about sin being simply this:
God breathed the breath life (Oxygen) into Adam's nostrils, and man BECAME a living soul, as any animal. Genesis 6:17.
IOWs, he didn't get/recieve a soul. Genesis 2:7

They then forfeited/lost the opportunity for Eternal Life/exstence of any kind, because they chose the wrong "tree" first. Genesis 3:22.

And the Lord's Gift of salvation being simply this:
Whosoever hath not the Spirit of God/Christ, he is none of His, and therefore remains as "condemned already". Romans 8:9; John 3:18.
 
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^ When one learns to keep it simple, it doesn't get all contaminated andbooby-trapped with "Religion".
 

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Hi Earburner,

YOU:
How about sin being simply this:
God breathed the breath life (Oxygen) into Adam's nostrils, and man BECAME a living soul, as any animal. Genesis 6:17.
IOWs, he didn't get/recieve a soul. Genesis 2:7

ME: Agreed, Adam was a living soul meaning living creature like all other animals were likewise living souls made of the dust of the earth, the elements thereof. Adam however was given greater intelligence in his brain than all other creatures. The mind/spirit within the brain of Adam/Mankind was given the ability by God to learn from God and come to know God.

YOU: They then forfeited/lost the opportunity for Eternal Life/exstence of any kind, because they chose the wrong "tree" first. Genesis 3:22.

ME: They were eating of the Tree of Life then they went the wrong way and ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Their punishment for their sin was mortality unto death, but Christ died for ALL SINS so all could be made alive according to an order. Hebrews 11 lists some folks of the first resurrection who are those who obtain the promise at Christ's return, and we see the likes of Abel and Enoch being mentioned. Adam nor Eve are mentioned in that list, but is Hebrews 11 an exhausted list of all those of the OT who are to obtain the promise?...I tend to doubt it, seems like there would be more and Paul was just highlighting a few who died having faith.

How do you know Adam and Eve are eternally lost, maybe they established faith by the time of their death? Are you sure, and how do you know for sure?

We know disobedience to God's commandment IS Sin, that's not what the debate is.
The question is where does sin come from, what caused Adam and Eve to choose the wrong way?

As for Eve we know that she thought the fruit looked good to taste and was pleasant to the eyes and she wanted it thinking it would make her wise. Seems she ultimately chose out of natural DESIRE of her flesh of taste and sight, and of her mind hoping to acquire knowledge.

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Who is the serpent that deceived and thus corrupted the thoughts of Eve bringing distrust to God's word about dying?

What scripture tells me is that man is likened to serpents.

Psalms 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. 4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;

Serpents are considered deaf and blind creatures, so likening man's spirit/mind to that of a serpent couldn't be more fitting.

Psalms 140:1 Deliver me, O LORD, from the evil man: preserve me from the violent man; 2 Which imagine mischiefs in their heart; continually are they gathered together for war. 3 They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips. Selah.

Psalms 107:7 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and fraud: under his tongue is mischief and vanity.

Ecc 10:11 Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment; and a babbler is no better. 12 The words of a wise man's mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself. 13 The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness: and the end of his talk is mischievous madness.

What scripture tells me is that deceit that comes forth out of man's mouth like poison of a serpent, comes from man's own imagination. Man's own imagination is foolishness, it's ignorant and as well deaf and blind like that of a serpent to God's word.

Proverbs 12:17 He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.

12:20 Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellors of peace is joy.

Jeremiah 23:26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

Jesus called Peter Satan, which is the Hebrew word phonetically pronounced SAW-TAWN and it means ADVERSARY. Jesus calls Peter an adversary BECAUSE he had IN MIND the things OF MEN, he was carnally minded, like that of a SERPENT, deaf and blind to God's word.

The devil/DIABOLOS, which means slanderer/false accuser/deceiver/LIAR, in Revelation who is going to throw Christians in prison, is a MAN who also follows his carnal mind and is deaf and blind to God's word like that of a serpent.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye CANNOT HEAR my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh OF HIS OWN: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

These men do not hear, they are deaf and blind like an adder to God's word, they are of their father who was a DIABOLOS/LIAR and a murderer from the beginning.

Genesis 4:6
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. 8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. 9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one (poneros), and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because HIS OWN works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

" that wicked one" original word Poneros -bad, of a bad nature or condition

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

All men are of a carnal mind, it is an adversary unto them a liar/deceiver a diabolos, it is deaf and blind and has poison under it's tongue like that of a serpent. MAN can do nothing of himself because the carnal mind is not able to be a subject to the law of God. ONLY God is GOOD and by His mercy He shares the gifts of His Spirit, self control, patience, kindness, love...etc..

Adam and Eve did not have weak mortal flesh when they sinned but they most certainly were humans however with carnal minds. Eve was of a mind not subject to the law, she imagined in her own heart, being deaf and blind to God's commandment like that of a serpent, and slandered God's word, trusting in her own reasoning, so that she could fulfill her own natural desires of eating good fruit and gaining knowledge.