Repentance is the Gift Of God !

[brightfame52]

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they do disparage the death and blood of Christ ! What they are saying whether they know it or not is Christs blood alone was inadequate to Justify them for whom it was shed. This does contradict Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.6

 

[brightfame52]

They must receive the gift of their own free will.

False statement. They must receive because God gives them according to His Will.

 

[justbyfaith]

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they do disparage the death and blood of Christ ! What they are saying whether they know it or not is Christs blood alone was inadequate to Justify them for whom it was shed. This does contradict Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.6

You need to compare Romans 5:9 to Romans 5:1 and Romans 3:25.

False statement. They must receive because God gives them according to His Will.

No, it is not a false statement. Men must receive Christ as their Lord and Saviour or else they are not saved.

 

[brightfame52]

You need to compare Romans 5:9 to Romans 5:1 and Romans 3:25.



No, it is not a false statement. Men must receive Christ as their Lord and Saviour or else they are not saved.

Yes it is false statement. What God gives man received.

 

[brightfame52]

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are introducing works into the equation. These acts or human actions become equal determinants for Salvation/Justification which robs Christ of His Glory and gives prideful man an occasion to boast !8

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes it is false statement. What God gives man received.

What God gives, man does not necessarily receive.

For grace is resistible (see Acts of the Apostles 7:51).

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are introducing works into the equation.

No; for faith and works are mutually exclusive (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 11:6 (kjv)).

 

[brightfame52]

What God gives, man does not necessarily receive.

For grace is resistible (see Acts of the Apostles 7:51).



No; for faith and works are mutually exclusive (Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 11:6 (kjv)).

Post 245, did you read and understand ?

 

[justbyfaith]

Post 245, did you read and understand ?

I responded to it in post #246.

 

[brightfame52]

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are flat out denying the effectualness of His death/blood !9b

 

[brightfame52]

I responded to it in post #246.

It makes no sense. I know you make faith and repentance conditions man does to get saved correct ?

 

[justbyfaith]

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are flat out denying the effectualness of His death/blood !9b

How do you figure?

 

[brightfame52]

How do you figure?

Easily. Salvation is of Grace not of works. You make conditions, that defaults to works !

 

[justbyfaith]

Easily. Salvation is of Grace not of works. You make conditions, that defaults to works !

Not really, if the condition is faith.

To a certain extent, faith and works are mutually exclusive in the Bible (Ephesians 2:8-9).

 

[brightfame52]

Not really, if the condition is faith.

To a certain extent, faith and works are mutually exclusive in the Bible (Ephesians 2:8-9).

If you make believing or repentance conditions, you default them to meritorious works.

 

[brightfame52]

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are denying that Salvation/Justification is a free gift of Gods Grace. Thats in contradiction to Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 5:16

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

The free gift is unto Justification ! 10b

 

[justbyfaith]

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are denying that Salvation/Justification is a free gift of Gods Grace.

No; because a gift must be received.

 

[justbyfaith]

If you make believing or repentance conditions, you default them to meritorious works.

Believing and repentance simply are not works, no matter how you slice it.

Not even as conditions for salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are introducing a law principle in Justification. When they present anything as a condition to do to get saved, in which if they dont do it, there is the threat of punishment, but if you do do it there is the promise of reward, eternal life, thats a law principle, the same as under the mosaic law, do and live Lev 18:5

Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord.

They're under the principle of Gal 3:10

10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.15b

 

[justbyfaith]

When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are introducing a law principle in Justification.

Indeed, see Romans 3:27, 8:2...

Rom 3:27, Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Rom 8:2, For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

They're under the principle of Gal 3:10

Nope; for Galatians 3:10 is not speaking of every law; it is only speaking of the law of Moses.

 

[brightfame52]

Indeed, see Romans 3:27, 8:2...

Rom 3:27, Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Rom 8:2, For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.



Nope; for Galatians 3:10 is not speaking of every law; it is only speaking of the law of Moses.

Do you make faith and or repentance conditions man must obey or perform to get God to save them ? Yes or No