Faith and repentance are things that are neither obeyed nor performed.
Faith is an attitude that we take on after repenting.
And repenting is to change your direction in life.
But yes, they are needful and without them a man cannot have salvation.
Repentance is the Gift Of God !
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Faith is an attitude that we take on after repenting.
And repenting is to change your direction in life.
But yes, they are needful and without them a man cannot have salvation.
Ferris Bueller
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Ferris Bueller
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Show me in the Bible where trusting in God is a work that earns justification. This is where it says it is not a work....
5However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
Romans 4:5
Romans 4:5
See it? "Does not work BUT TRUSTS". To the one who doesn't work but instead trusts God their faith is credited as righteousness. But you say trusting is a work of self righteousness.
The bible doesnt teach that, man does. Its man who makes things he does to get saved salvation by works.
As it is with Gospel Faith, so it is with Gospel Repentance, its not of man, but the Gift of the Saviour. Jesus told His sent Messengers that Repentance and Remission of sins are to be preached in His Name Lk 24:46-47
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
That they should be preached in His Name means they are products , effects of His Person and Work, His suffering and death and resurrection.
He was raised from the dead a Prince and a Saviour in order to give repentance and remission of sins Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
The word give[ didómi ] here means to bestow as a Gift
Its a word that denotes causative results, it means to bring forth, for instance how the word is used here Matt 13:8
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
James 5:18 1c
And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
So Christ as a Risen Saviour brings about and effects repentance upon them Hes a Saviour unto, those He suffered and died for, mainly the Elect of God amongst all Nations !
Christ isnt ones Saviour if He doesnt give them Repentance !
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
That they should be preached in His Name means they are products , effects of His Person and Work, His suffering and death and resurrection.
He was raised from the dead a Prince and a Saviour in order to give repentance and remission of sins Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
The word give[ didómi ] here means to bestow as a Gift
Its a word that denotes causative results, it means to bring forth, for instance how the word is used here Matt 13:8
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
James 5:18 1c
And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
So Christ as a Risen Saviour brings about and effects repentance upon them Hes a Saviour unto, those He suffered and died for, mainly the Elect of God amongst all Nations !
Christ isnt ones Saviour if He doesnt give them Repentance !
Ferris Bueller
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If what a man does to get saved is not included in the works that Paul says can not justify then it is not "man making things he does to get saved". It is simply us doing what God tells us to do to get saved.
He does not tell us to do works of the law to get saved. He tells us to believe in God's forgiveness to get saved. That's not a works gospel. Being saved by trusting God to forgive your sins is not the same as being saved by performing works of the law.
Ferris Bueller
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But I showed you the verses that say being saved by believing in God for forgiveness of sin is not being saved by works. The works gospel is not defined by doing something/anything to be saved. The works gospel is defined by doing works of the law to be saved. Believing in Christ is not a work of the law.
You can quote all the scriptures you want, it boils down to you teaching salvation by works, by what a person does.
Ferris Bueller
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If trusting in God for forgiveness is a self righteous work of merit that can not save, how do you get saved then?
Thank you for agreeing with me.
Repentance is a choice made by man; wherein man makes a 180-degree turn away from sin and towards righteousness.
God cannot make that choice for you. You have to make it yourself.
I have posted on salvation already, see my threads if you want my pov. However you advocate salvation by the work, the doing of man !
jbf
False. Repentance is a gift given to some men Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
False. Repentance is a gift given to some men Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
ChristisGod
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Since faith and repentance are spiritual they come from God by His grace. God who grants both faith and repentance,
Romans 12:3
3For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
Romans 12:3 NET
For by the grace given to me I say to every one of you not to think more highly of yourself than you ought to think, but to think with sober discernment, as God has distributed to each of you a measure of faith.
Philippians 1:29
For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for Him
1 Timothy 1:14
The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
(faith is given out by God along with his grace)
Acts 18:27 - When he arrived, he greatly helped those who through grace had believed
Acts 5:31
God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.
Acts 11:8
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
2 Timothy 2:25
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
hope this helps !!!
Of course, we know that repentance is defined as making a 180-degree turn away from sin and towards righteousness; and that this is a choice that is given to every man.
God cannot make that decision for you; you must make it yourself.
God cannot make that decision for you; you must make it yourself.
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