The dragon that is displayed in Rev 12 is the SAME dragon that is displayed in Rev, chps 17 & 18, with unmistakeable clarity, less the number of crowns. The woman that rides her is another "child bearer" ( hence the reason for a woman as a symbol here yet again ), and is the RCC who GAVE BIRTH TO PROTESTANTISM ( She is the mother of harlots ). And we know that the woman is a Christian organization because she brandishes a "golden cup" in her hand ( unless you two can tell me of another organization, or nation, or city that is symbolized by a "golden cup" ). The RCC is rich, has influenced kings and nations during her long life, has killed many an innocent martyr, has had wealthy land holdings and cathedrals that required many trades to sell her their wares, etc. ). And most important, the RCC is headquartered in R O M E, who is a member of the EU, and indeed, counts as her own governess, VATICAN CITY, who is none other than "that great City" ). And we also know that the EU comprises of nearly all of what use to be THE ROMAN EMPIRE of the past.
I consider what you just said as blasphemy and a perversion of God's Word.
I know that many of the big shots call the harlot "the apostate church." But to attribute the evils of the beast and the harlot mentioned in God's Word about the last days is serious stuff if you are wrong and I know that you are wrong.
Christian's build their church and themselves up by tearing down other churches and Christian's. If you do that in Islam you get your head cut off! The unbiblical teachings of anti-ecumenism has created division and hindered unity in the body of Christ. I'm not here to support Catholic teachings. I'm here to support a Catholic's rightful place in the body of Christ and expose the true religion of the beast. The church has divided itself because Christians can hardly agree on anything and are insistent on slandering it, calling it a whore, and attributing the evils of the anti-christ and his followers to the harlot or what they call, "the apostate church." Just by comparing the conversion rates between Islam and the church worldwide proves that God's church is losing ground and that Satan's religion of Islam is gaining serious ground. Without realizing it, high profile Christian leaders are doing more harm than good to the church and to the unbelieving world than they are promoting the cause of Jesus Christ.
Publicly teaching that the church is a harlot or in a degenerative and fallen state and that it will accept the man of sin is destructive. Isn't the power of God greater than the power of Satan? The world no longer has to discredit Christianity through atheist, agnostics, the media, and former disgruntled believers because the Church is doing it all on their own! Would a political party discredit itself, attribute evil and corruption to itself, and teach it's constituencies that they are fallen away from its true self? What do you think happens to a Muslim who slanders Islam? OUCH! After the comic strip depicting Muhammed as a suicide bomber surfaced, Muslim's were protesting in the streets holding up signs saying, "behead those who slander Islam." Well meaning Christian leaders have distorted the Word of God by slandering others in the faith just to build themselves up.
Most christians know very little about Islam or what apostasy truly is and falsely attributes the harlot and the apostasy to the church. Why are Christians so intent on discrediting the church?. Why would anyone want to convert to Christianity when it's members speak bad about it by calling the church a harlot and attribute it's evils to themselves! Not just the RCC! They discourage people from accepting Jesus Christ and build up other false religion's around them in the process.
The bible doesn't teach us to expose and discuss things in public but to do it in private. Police and fire departments would tell you that your behavior off the job reflects highly on the department and hurts their image. It makes no sense to speak bad about one another as it reflects on the church as a whole.
The world does a good enough job of exposing the sins of the church so we shouldn't be adding salt to the wound.
There's one church I was going to where the pastor spoke bad about Catholic's, Pentecostal's, and Billy Graham on a weekly basis let alone JW'S and Mormons.
John Macarthur is a very prominent man who has a lot of influence and speaks bad about a lot of people. Some people believe they are doing us a service and post videos of his sermons titled, "Billy Graham denies Christ." Others by him dumping a truckload on Catholic's. I refuse to listen to him anymore he has been so offensive.
There's no need for the church to disclose their problems publically. That's something you'd expect to hear in a bar room or hair salon.
This is how the verse should read,
Islam, Babylon the Great, Mother of Jihadist and abominations of the earth!
The harlot is symbolic of Islam who has given birth to the jihadist and they fill the harlot's cup daily in hopes of obtaining up to 70 virgins and 70 mansions in paradise. The more people they kill the more virgins they get. And Hey! Their families get some bennies from Muhammad too! Babylon isn't Rome. In every instance in the New Testament it always infers literal Babylon and it is synonymous with false religion. What Rome did centuries ago is 'mox nix' (doesn't matter) in the last days.
Rev. 17 say's that the harlot is "that Great City?" That city becomes a harlot when the man of sin will stand in a wing of the Dome of the Rock or Al'Aqsa mosque and act as though he is God. From ther he will entice Muslim's to continue their jihad attacks worldwide so that they can dominate the earth. Therefore, East Jerusalem which is God's only Holy City becomes a harlot!
Vatican City and the city of Rome is not built on seven hills, but on only one: Vatican Hill. This hill is not one of the seven Rome was constructed upon. Those seven (the Quirinal, Viminal, Esquiline, Caelian, Aventine, Palatine, and Capitoline hills) are located on the east side of the Tiber River. Vatican Hill is located on the west side.
Mecca is suspect of this city since John was taken to a dessert for the angel to show him the judgment of the Great whore. Mecca is Islam's spiritual headquaters in the dessert!. Many believe that the 'kaaba' or infamous black rock could house a meteorite.
The great city could also be Jerusalem because it is surrounded by seven "mountains." Jerusalem will get tread upon again by the gentiles, i.e. Arab/Muslims, the descendants of Esau and Ishmael. The Islamis anti-christ may use the Dome of the Rock complex or the Al'aqsa mosque in that complex, which is on a 'wing' or extremity of the 'temple, to demand worship, incite violence, and from there rule it's ten nation kingdom. "That great city" could be "Jerusalem."
The other option for 'that great city" or "the city of seven hills is Mecca.
In Rev 17 John is taken by the Spirit into the
wilderness, translated dessert, to be shown the judgment of the great whore. The Dessert is where Mecca resides. Rome Italy does not reside in a dessert. Islam has been called "the desert religion." Islam came out of the desert and the seat of Islam is still in the desert today in Mecca, another city of seven hills. The harlot is used interchangeably with Babylon and "that great city." Ancient Babylon is located in Iraq, a Muslim country in the very geographical center of the Islamic world.
Habakkuk 1:6 For, lo, I raise up the Chaldeans,
(Babylonian's) that bitter and hasty nation, which shall march through the breadth of the land,
to possess the dwellingplaces that are not theirs.
7 They are terrible and dreadful: ( a terrorist nation) their judgment and their dignity shall proceed of themselves.
The harlot (Islam's jihadist) is spread accross the earth and determined to enable Islam to dominate the world. What threat is the RCC to the world today? Rome and the EU are stable unions. The Arab world has always been unstable and they are the ones who want the complete destruction of the Jews, Christian's, and all 'non-Muslim's". It's not Rome Italy or the EU but Islam and the Arab world who is a threat to mankind and the security of the world today. The RCC is powerless to accomplish what is prophecied and attributed to the beast and his followers in the end.
Ethnic tensions and rivalries are common place in Islam and the Arab world. Not so in Italy or the EU!
When there are uprisings in the EU it's alway's caused by Muslim's and not Catholic's. There are neighborhoods in the Ghetto's of France that the police will not enter without an escort of armored personnel carriers.
No other religion or government on earth today kills people like Muslim's do. And no religion or government in the past, to include Hitler and the like, have murdered more people than Muslim's. They've had 1400 years to to become the most murderous people on earth.
From the beginning Islam has severely persecuted both Christian's and Jews. Today, nearly everyone that is persecuted or killed is done so at the hands of Muslim's and in the name of Allah.
In the Sudan, 15,000 churches were burned in one year. (1998-99) and thousands of vilages destroyed. The same is true for Darfour, Mogadishu, Nigeria, etc. More christians have been martyred from 1996 to 2002 than in all of history. All at the hands of Muslim's.
Over the centuries the amount of people murdered at the hands of Muslim's far out number those of Rome. It is a fact that Muslim's have murdered more Christian's since 1998 than in all of history! (Voice of the Martyr's)
The anti-christ will change times and laws. Instead of Muslim's bowing toward a black rock in Mecca, the will be required to bow toward him (probably in East Jerusalem) at different times rather than the traditional 5 times a day.
9 They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand.
Muslim's actually believe that the bible is inspired by God but that it was tampered with. They say that the Koran is the only unadulterated word of God.
Muslim's celebrate after terror attacks by exchanging gifts as they did after the 911 attacks. They will do the same after they murder the two witnesses.
Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
There are heretical views in every church. Heresies do not constitute the abominations of the earth. The abominations ascribed to the harlot are desolations, not heresies.
How have the inhabitants of the earth been made drunk with the wine of her (or the vaticans) fornication? It's a no brainer to me! When I see Muslim's dancing in the streets like after Sept 11 or any other terror attacks, they are rejoicing...drunk with the wine of her fornication! Fornication also means "excessive indulgences."
I would say that anyone who believes they will get virgins and mansions in heaven for blowing themselves up or flying airplanes into skyscrapers are dillusional and drunk with the wine of her (Islam, Babylon the Great) fornication. I would also think that the Arab Sheiks who drink in secret are drunk with the wine of fornicating with foreign investors who have made them rich.
And yet Islam, one of the most primitive religions of the world is going to use the most sophisticated weapons of the world to bring us tribulation.
Abomination means...disgusting, detestable, a detestable thing that brings desolation. How is the Vatican doing anything detesable that brings forth desolation. I shouldn't have to mention AGAIN the detesable things that Islam is doing that brings forth desolation. And we haven't seen anything yet!
Islamic prophecy is surprisingly similar to biblical prophecy and in many ways the religion is quite similar to christianity.
Islam is counterfeit christianity.
Muslim's claim Allah is just a differnt name for the God of christianity.
Muslim's are waiting for their Messiah, the 12th Imam to return, and christianity is also waiting for their Messiah. Muslim's also believe in Jesus and his return, but that Jesus will be the subordinate to the returning Mahdi.
This Muslim jesus may be one of the false Christ prophecied to come in the last days.
Muslim's believe that it is Muhammad and not Jesus that is the prophet like unto Moses.
Muslim's believe that Jesus wasn't cricified.
Muslim's believe that if a Muslim confesses that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, he has committed the only unpardonable sin in Mohammed's religion. Islam is not only the opposite of christianity, it is counterfeit christianity.
The colors of the flag in almost all Arab nations are the same colors of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse! And I believe that all four riders are all of Arab/Muslim origin. I say "holy war" is symbolic of the first seal and Bin laden is the rider!
Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
I find it interesting that the Koran has 6,666 surah's in it.
Islam, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Jihadist is the Harlot of Revelation
Today, it's not priest and altar boys who are strapping bombs to themselves and detonating them in market places, bus stations, airports and schools. It's not the altar boys who cut peoples heads off and puts them on a card table in the middle of a street so the common people can see what happens to Muslim apostates. It's not Catholic's who are sending disabled women into pet stores with a bird cage laced with explosives and remotely detonating them. It wasn't Catholic's in Saudi Arabia who sent 14 teenage school girls back into a burning school building to die for coming out of it with their faces uncovered. It wasn't Catholic's who cut the off heads of 5 Chinese children and placed them on wooden stakes in the middle of a highway median strip. It's not Bishops and Cardinals who entice people to kill others with the reward of 72 virgins in paradise. It's the Islamic whore of Babylon! The Harlot holds a cup full of the abominations of the earth commited by the jihadist. The Catholic's no longer do these kind of things.
...a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
The woman is symbolic of Islam and she is the mother of harlots. She gave birth to all it's radical sects i.e. the
jihadist who commit the abominations of the earth. The harlot's religion is called Babylon the Great, (a large false religion i.e. ISLAM) Islam 'occupies' or is the religion of the ten horned beast or ten nation Islamic empire
whose radical sects fill the harlots cup with the abominations of the earth. The ten nations will only have seven kings and one king over them. There are currently 18 countries in apostasy (rebellion) as wee speak. As the kings and nations fall, the man of sin will be revealed.
The jihadist are responsible for commiting the abominations of the earth that fill the harlot's cup..
The jihadist have always used abominable means the desolate mankind.
In my view. This entire symbol is a united 10 nation Middle-East Empire dominated by Islam. Muslim's are scattered all over the earth and many of them are radicals commited to the cause of jihad or "holy war". Islam 'occupies' or practices their religion in nearly every country in the world.
Now explain to me how Italy is commiting the abominations of the earth?
