Revelation 21:4 What does it mean?

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Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away
 

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Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away

Simply that maam, after satan is released from the abyss, and we pass the test and satan and his followers are cast into the lake, including death and hell, inherited death is gone, everlasting life has became a reality, and we are back to the original purpose of God for people and the earth. The pains associated with this world are history, past tense, yesterday's news ;)
 
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Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away
Sounds like a description of the resurrection.
 
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Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away

The timing of that verse is per Revelation 21:1 about "a new heaven and a new earth". It is for after Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect of Revelation 20.

On the final day of this present world, on the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15, we ALL shall be 'changed' to the resurrection body TYPE, which Apostle Paul taught is to a "spiritual body". This will happen to all peoples on earth on that day of Christ's future coming.

Thus the time at that very point, on that "last trump", we all will be in a spirit body type world earth age. The heavenly dimension will be revealed right here, on earth.

That is how there will be no more death, no more pain, nor crying, because the former things (things of this present world) will be passed away and no more.

The "spiritual body" is a body made up of Spirit, not flesh and blood (see 1 Corinthians 15:42-50). Yet it is able to eat earthly food, and live upon this earth. It is simply a body of that other dimension taught in God's Word called the heavenly. It is our outward image likeness in the heavenly dimension. And our soul (person) is attached to it.

Many brethren in Christ still struggle with this matter, and even fail to understand the two separate dimensions of existence described in God's Word. Nor do they understand how this material universe came into being, since material matter can neither create nor destroy itself.
 
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Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away
@Siddhi Koli One day, for those who love and trust the Lord Jesus and His work at the Cross for sinners, the sorrows and pains of this earthly scene will be over. :)
 

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Simply that maam, after satan is released from the abyss, and we pass the test and satan and his followers are cast into the lake, including death and hell, inherited death is gone, everlasting life has became a reality, and we are back to the original purpose of God for people and the earth. The pains associated with this world are history, past tense, yesterday's news ;)

No, inherit death from Adam is done away with before the last test. What I mean is before Satan and his demons are released from the abyss mankind will no longer have inherited sin. Death that mankind inherited from Adam will already have been thrown into the lake of fire. So humans existing on earth at that time of the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ and before Satan is released from the abyss will be in a state like the first man Adam was before he sinned. All humans will be sinless, no inherit sin in the flesh and the death inherited from Adam will be done away with. At that time all the pain and tears and mourning and outcry because of inherited sin and death will be done away with.
The humans that are thrown into the lake of fire are not humans that had the inherit sin of Adam because the lake of fire which is the second death doesn't represent the inherited sin from Adam so doesn't represent the death inherited from Adam. The lake of fire is the second death no one gets a resurrection from the lake of fire because everything and everyone who is thrown into the lake of fire is destroyed out of existence forever.
 
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The timing of that verse is per Revelation 21:1 about "a new heaven and a new earth". It is for after Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect of Revelation 20.

On the final day of this present world, on the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15, we ALL shall be 'changed' to the resurrection body TYPE, which Apostle Paul taught is to a "spiritual body". This will happen to all peoples on earth on that day of Christ's future coming.

Thus the time at that very point, on that "last trump", we all will be in a spirit body type world earth age. The heavenly dimension will be revealed right here, on earth.

That is how there will be no more death, no more pain, nor crying, because the former things (things of this present world) will be passed away and no more.

The "spiritual body" is a body made up of Spirit, not flesh and blood (see 1 Corinthians 15:42-50). Yet it is able to eat earthly food, and live upon this earth. It is simply a body of that other dimension taught in God's Word called the heavenly. It is our outward image likeness in the heavenly dimension. And our soul (person) is attached to it.

Many brethren in Christ still struggle with this matter, and even fail to understand the two separate dimensions of existence described in God's Word. Nor do they understand how this material universe came into being, since material matter can neither create nor destroy itself.

I have found nowhere in scripture that the angels who are spirits in heaven have to eat the kind of food humans eat to survive. I have found scriptures where angels were sent by God to talk to his human servants and these angels manifested what look like human bodies and ate food. But angels natural bodies are spirit not fleshly bodies like humans. Angels have to manifest what look like human bodies so that God's human servants can see them because in their natural bodies which is spirit a human can't see them.
 
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Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away

Applies to those WHO ARE “WITH” God Forever.
* Their persecutions, hardships FOR their Belief in God...
* Their sadnesses of separations from loved ones...
* Their pain of diseases, illnesses, deformities...
* Their guilts for failures...
ALL past and forgotten forever, to never again experience.
 
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Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away
This is a description of the New Heavens and the New Earth "wherein dwelleth righteousness". Everything that was sinful, evil, painful and corrupt will be banished totally.
 
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The timing of that verse is per Revelation 21:1 about "a new heaven and a new earth". It is for after Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect of Revelation 20.

On the final day of this present world, on the "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15, we ALL shall be 'changed' to the resurrection body TYPE, which Apostle Paul taught is to a "spiritual body". This will happen to all peoples on earth on that day of Christ's future coming.

Thus the time at that very point, on that "last trump", we all will be in a spirit body type world earth age. The heavenly dimension will be revealed right here, on earth.

That is how there will be no more death, no more pain, nor crying, because the former things (things of this present world) will be passed away and no more.

The "spiritual body" is a body made up of Spirit, not flesh and blood (see 1 Corinthians 15:42-50). Yet it is able to eat earthly food, and live upon this earth. It is simply a body of that other dimension taught in God's Word called the heavenly. It is our outward image likeness in the heavenly dimension. And our soul (person) is attached to it.

Many brethren in Christ still struggle with this matter, and even fail to understand the two separate dimensions of existence described in God's Word. Nor do they understand how this material universe came into being, since material matter can neither create nor destroy itself.

Whenever the scriptures talk about there will be no more death that means on this planet death will not exist. Not because God has changed all human beings into spirit bodies. The body we humans will have on planet earth at the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ will be mortal corruptible fleshly human bodies that will no longer have inherited sin and death. God didn't create the first human Adam as a spirit being. God created the first man Adam with a mortal corruptible human body. God didn't create this mortal corruptible human body with sin in the flesh when God created the first human. So when God created the first man Adam with a mortal corruptible human body he was perfectly capable of obeying whatever command God gave him to be obedient to , even though God created him with a mortal corruptible human body. God through his Only Begotten Son his Only Begotten Son being the seed of promise will undo everything the serpent who is Satan the Devil has done. So God through his Only Begotten Son during the 1000 year reign of his Only Begotten Son will apply his Only Begotten Son ransom sacrifice more fully so that by the end of the 1000 year reign all humans will have a 100% mortal corruptible human body that is sinless and that is without spot or blemish just as Adam was at the time God created him.

The Apostle Paul at 1 Corinthians 15 was talking about the resurrection of the dead. Those who get a resurrection like Jesus who was resurrected with an immortal and incorruptible spirit body will also be resurrected with an immortal incorruptible spirit bodies. They will be in heaven with Jesus in that heavenly Messianic kingdom. They will be kings, priests, and judges with Jesus in that heavenly Messianic kingdom and rule over the earth with him. Jesus said that his father had many abodes and that he was going to prepare a place for them so that where he was there they would be. Jesus went to heaven so those who are the anointed, those who are born again, these are the ones who will be kings priests and judges with Jesus in that heavenly Messianic kingdom. They will be immortal and incorruptible spirit beings in heaven ruling over those who are righteous mortal and corruptible humans who are on earth and who will be the subjects of the kingdom that Jesus and those in heaven with Jesus in that Messianic kingdom will rule over.
 
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I have found nowhere in scripture that the angels who are spirits in heaven have to eat the kind of food humans eat to survive.

Who ever said that angels have to eat man's food to survive?

I have found scriptures where angels were sent by God to talk to his human servants and these angels manifested what look like human bodies and ate food. But angels natural bodies are spirit not fleshly bodies like humans. Angels have to manifest what look like human bodies so that God's human servants can see them because in their natural bodies which is spirit a human can't see them.

Where does God's Word say that angels have to put on human flesh in order to appear on earth, and eat man's food? Some folks believe that myth, but it is nowhere written.

The outward likeness of the angels is from God's Own outward Likeness, which is the image of 'man'. Christians learn this in Bible 101 from Genesis 1:26-27. That image of 'man' originated with God in the Heavenly, not with man in the flesh.

Your idea... of spirit, is that of Hollywood's ghost stories, which are based on horror myths of apparitions, etc. Science's view of the idea of spirit is just as bad, thinking it means a force only.

The heavenly body outward likeness of the angels in Heaven likewise is with the image of 'man'. The way the sodomites in Sodom and Gomorrah saw the two angels that came to Lot is also how they look in the Heavenly, with the image of man.
 
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Whenever the scriptures talk about there will be no more death that means on this planet death will not exist. Not because God has changed all human beings into spirit bodies.

That above idea does not align with Scripture, because God's Word in The New Testament makes it very clear, that on the "last trump" on the final day of this present world, those still alive will be 'changed' at the 'twinkling of an eye'.

1 Cor 15:51-54
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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No one alive one earth at Jesus' coming can have eternal Life by Christ's having defeated death for us, unless they go through that above 'change' to a body of "incorruption" (spiritual body) and their mortal soul putting on "immortality". The "spiritual body" Paul taught in that 1 Corinthians 15 Chapter is NOT a flesh and bone body (1 Corinthians 15:49-50).

Heed the Scripture, or don't, I don't care. But you are not going to be believed by your present ideas from Judaism that go directly against that Scripture.

The body we humans will have on planet earth at the end of the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ will be mortal corruptible fleshly human bodies that will no longer have inherited sin and death.

Of course that above idea is NOT written, as I've already shown from Apostle Paul. The type body of the world to come is the "spiritual body" that Apostle Paul taught, end of story. It's not Bible-believing Christian's fault that you do not believe Apostle Paul.

God didn't create the first human Adam as a spirit being. God created the first man Adam with a mortal corruptible human body. God didn't create this mortal corruptible human body with sin in the flesh when God created the first human. So when God created the first man Adam with a mortal corruptible human body he was perfectly capable of obeying whatever command God gave him to be obedient to , even though God created him with a mortal corruptible human body.

Again, that above idea is just 'assumed'. If that flesh body before Adam and Eve sinned represented perfection, then it could have NEVER been able to die. Flesh being made sinful flesh was revealed by Eve's lust of her flesh for the eating the fruit of the tree God commanded not to eat (Genesis 3:6; 1 John 2:15-17).

Without the potential seed of sin being in their flesh, nor would there have ever... been a need for The Father sending His Son Jesus Christ to die on the cross to redeem us from sin and death of the flesh. So truly, your fleshy argument completely defeats the Purpose of God's Plan for this present world.

God through his Only Begotten Son his Only Begotten Son being the seed of promise will undo everything the serpent who is Satan the Devil has done. So God through his Only Begotten Son during the 1000 year reign of his Only Begotten Son will apply his Only Begotten Son ransom sacrifice more fully so that by the end of the 1000 year reign all humans will have a 100% mortal corruptible human body that is sinless and that is without spot or blemish just as Adam was at the time God created him.

Once again, that fleshy perfection idea is NOT written in God's Word.

1 Cor 15:49-50
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

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The "image of the earthy" means a flesh type body, the "image of the heavenly" means a "spiritual body" that Apostle Paul taught there, and verified for us that heavenly image body is NOT one of flesh and blood.

Believe those old Jewish fables if you want, but I will stick with what Apostle Paul and the rest of The Bible teaches about that future spiritual body of the world to come.

The Apostle Paul at 1 Corinthians 15 was talking about the resurrection of the dead. Those who get a resurrection like Jesus who was resurrected with an immortal and incorruptible spirit body will also be resurrected with an immortal incorruptible spirit bodies. They will be in heaven with Jesus in that heavenly Messianic kingdom. They will be kings, priests, and judges with Jesus in that heavenly Messianic kingdom and rule over the earth with him. Jesus said that his father had many abodes and that he was going to prepare a place for them so that where he was there they would be. Jesus went to heaven so those who are the anointed, those who are born again, these are the ones who will be kings priests and judges with Jesus in that heavenly Messianic kingdom. They will be immortal and incorruptible spirit beings in heaven ruling over those who are righteous mortal and corruptible humans who are on earth and who will be the subjects of the kingdom that Jesus and those in heaven with Jesus in that Messianic kingdom will rule over.

What you are pushing there, again, is NOT written in God's Word, and I'm surprised that you join words like "Messianic kingdom" with false ideas like that above Pre-trib Rapture theory. There is NO pre-trib rapture idea written anywhere in God's Word. That is solely a doctrine from men, and was first preached in a Christian Church in 1830's Great Britain by John Nelson Darby. For 1,800 years before Darby, the Christian Church held to a post-tribulational coming by Christ and gathering of His Church.

So the false pre-trib rapture theory that the Church is raptured to Heaven to reign with Jesus during the 1,000 years is all made up by men, and is NOT written in God's Word. Or didn't you notice the "camp of the saints" per Revelation 20:9 is UPON THE EARTH? And did you miss Revelation 5:10 that those in Christ that reign with Him as kings and priests is to be ON THE EARTH?

And when Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 spoke of those who REMAIN that are alive on earth, being CHANGED to the body of incorruption, he was NOT speaking of the resurrection of the dead! So you need to get your facts straight, and study Bible Scripture more, instead of just heeding whatever comes out of the mouths of the preachers you listen to.
 
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Davy said:
God's Word in The New Testament makes it very clear, that on the "last trump" on the final day of this present world, those still alive will be 'changed' at the 'twinkling of an eye'.[/QUOTE\]

I disagree with you, but you believe what you choose to believe.
I believe its you who is going against scripture, I know you don't believe that.
Here's the thing though. God did created the first man Adam as a mortal corruptible human being. People who don't believe that God created the first man Adam as a mortal corruptible human being don't know the scriptures. The scriptures are very clear that it wasn't God's will for Adam to die. Also the fact that God told Adam to not eat from the forbidden tree shows that God wasn't telling him to obey something that was impossible for him to obey. So that means that although God created the first man mortal and corruptible he was able to obey God, he was able to live eternal life as a mortal corruptible human being for eternity as long as he was obedient. He chose to disobey and lost eternal life and paradise for himself and his offspring. The seed of promise the Only Begotten Son of God Jesus Christ came to buy back what the first Adam lost.
Mortal corruptible human beings who are servants of the true God will forever live on this planet. They all as individuals will live forever on a paradise earth as long as each individual is obedient to the Only True God. There will be no more wars, death, sickness, old age. No one will ever be hungry ever. Everyone will have a home. This will happen regardless if you believe it or not.

The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology says that according to 1 Cor. 15:42, 52 ff., it is only after the resurrection transformation that believers ‘put on’ the garment of immortality. . . . there can be no immortality without prior resurrection.” Actually, the prize of immortality is granted, not to all Christians, but to those only who share in “the earlier resurrection from the dead.” For these, “an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading . . . inheritance is reserved in the heavens.”—See Romans 8:20-22; Philippians 3:10, 11; 1 Peter 1:3, 4.
 
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Davy said:
God's Word in The New Testament makes it very clear, that on the "last trump" on the final day of this present world, those still alive will be 'changed' at the 'twinkling of an eye'.[/QUOTE\]

I disagree with you, but you believe what you choose to believe.

You are not disagreeing with me... you are disagreeing with the actual Bible Scripture, specifically what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15...

1 Cor 15:49-52
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
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So whatever you have to say against Apostle Paul's teaching in the above Scripture means your ideas are meaningless.
 
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Davy said:
You are not disagreeing with me... you are disagreeing with the actual Bible Scripture, specifically what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15...[/QUOTE\]

No Davy I'm disagreeing with you. The apostle Paul at 1 Corinthians 15:49- 52 was talking about the resurrection of the dead and what kind of bodies those resurrected would get. They get their immortal incorruptible bodies after they been resurrected from the dead.
The apostle Paul was also talking about the resurrection of the dead at 1Thessalonians 4:13-17 which tells us that the resurrection starts at the second presence of Jesus Christ. Those who die before the second presence of Jesus Christ are resurrected first then those who are still alive will be instantly changed at the twinkling of an eye as 1 Corinthians15:52 says at the moment of their death. Those who will be immortal and incorruptible will be in heaven with Jesus Christ and will be kings, priests, and judges with him in that heavenly Messianic Kingdom from where they will rule over the earth.
I understand that people disagree with me, that's their right but they haven't proved from scripture that I'm wrong.
 
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Davy said:
You are not disagreeing with me... you are disagreeing with the actual Bible Scripture, specifically what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15...[/QUOTE\]

No Davy I'm disagreeing with you.

No, you are disagreeing with Apostle Paul!

I already showed you the 1 Corinthians 15 Scripture by Apostle Paul that YOU disagree with. So quit playing the idiot.
 

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No, you are disagreeing with Apostle Paul!

I already showed you the 1 Corinthians 15 Scripture by Apostle Paul that YOU disagree with. So quit playing the idiot.
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I'm disagreeing with you Davy. The apostle Paul was talking about the resurrection of the dead and what kind of bodies they would get when they are resurrected at 1 Corinthians 15:42-52. You want to call me names because I won't lie about the fact the apostle Paul was talking about the resurrection of the dead and the kind of bodies they get when resurrected you go ahead, but I will continue to say that the apostle Paul at 1Corinthians 15:42-52 was talking about the resurrection of the dead and the kind of bodies they get when resurrected.
At 1 Corinthians15:35-38 Nevertheless, someone will say: “How are the dead to be raised up? Yes, with what sort of body are they coming?”36 You unreasonable person! What you sow is not made alive unless first it dies. 37 And as for what you sow, you sow, not the body that will develop, but just a bare grain, whether of wheat or of some other kind of seed; 38 but God gives it a body just as it has pleased him, and gives to each of the seeds its own body.
inquirers who want to cast doubt on the resurrection might have asked: “How are the dead to be raised up?” We do well to consider Paul’s answer because many people today have personal views about life after death. We must stay in the scriptures of what the True God inspired the apostle Paul to write down

When someone dies, his body decomposes. But the One who created the universe from nothing can resurrect that person, giving him a suitable body. (Gen. 1:1; 2:7) Paul used an illustration to show that God would not need to bring back the same body. Think of “a bare grain,” or a plant “seed.” A seed of grain that is planted in the ground germinates and becomes a new plant. The resulting plant is quite different from the small seed. Paul used this comparison to show that our Creator can provide “a body just as it pleases him.”

Paul noted that there is great diversity in creation at 1 Corinthians15:39-41. For example, there are different fleshly bodies, such as cattle, birds, and fish. He stated that in the sky, we see differences between the sun and the moon. And he noted that “one star differs from another star in glory.” Yes, even if we may not discern it with the naked eye, there are what scientists call red giant stars, white dwarfs, and yellow stars, such as our sun. Paul also stated that “there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies.” How so? Well, on earth, we have bodies of flesh, but in heaven there are spirit bodies, like the ones the angels have.

Note what Paul said next at 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 “So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption.” Of course, upon dying, the human body decays and returns to the dust. (Gen. 3:19) So how can it be that a body is “raised up in incorruption”? Paul was not speaking of a human who is resurrected to life on earth, such as those raised by Elijah, Elisha, and Jesus. Those people that Elijah, Elisha and Jesus resureccted when they were on earth died again whether by old age etc. Paul was referring to a person who is resurrected with a heavenly body, that is, “a spiritual one.”

When Jesus walked the earth, he had a fleshly body. But when he was resurrected, he “became a life-giving spirit” and returned to heaven. Likewise, anointed Christians would be resurrected to spirit life. Paul explained: “Just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.”(1 Cor. 15:45-49)

Paul was reaching the climax of his discussion of the resurrection. It is important to note that Jesus was not resurrected with a human body. Paul pointedly said: “Flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom” in heaven. (1 Cor. 15:50) The apostles and other anointed ones would not be resurrected to heaven with corruptible bodies of flesh and blood. When would they be resurrected? Paul stressed that this resurrection still lay ahead; it was not something they would experience right after they died. The apostle Paul at 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 tells us when the resurrection begins. When anyone takes 1 Corinthians 15: 42-52 or 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 out of context giving their personal point of view that the apostle wasn't discussing the resurrection of the dead they are the ones who are wrong. As I said and will continue to say that the apostle Paul was discussing the resurrection of the dead and what kind of bodies those resurrected will get. Therefore everything that I have stated is in complete agreement with what the True God inspired the apostle Paul to write down.
 

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I'm disagreeing with you Davy. The apostle Paul was talking about the resurrection of the dead and what kind of bodies they would get when they are resurrected at 1 Corinthians 15:42-52. You want to call me names because I won't lie about the fact the apostle Paul was talking about the resurrection of the dead and the kind of bodies they get when resurrected you go ahead, but I will continue to say that the apostle
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No, you are disagreeing with Apostle Paul!

I already showed you the 1 Corinthians 15 Scripture by Apostle Paul that YOU disagree with.