Revelation chapter 11 questions

[TribulationSigns]

"False"

(The Beast) & (The False Prophet) will be "Literal" separate living human beings

LOL. No.

Revelation is a book filled with signs and symbols (Revelation 1:1). We should not suddenly abandon the symbolic nature of the book and insist that the beast and the false prophet must be two literal men.

The beast and the false prophet represent corporate bodies of unbelief and deception. The first beast symbolizes the kingdom of this world in rebellion against God, while the second beast (the false prophet) represents the body of professed Christians where the false teachers who deceive the nations (Revelation 13:11-18; 16:13; 19:20).

Notice that Scripture never says these are merely two individual men. Instead, the beast has seven heads, ten horns, and crowns (Revelation 13:1). No one interprets those features literally. The angel even explains that the heads and horns symbolize kingdoms and kings (Revelation 17:9-14). The beast is therefore a symbolic entity representing an entire kingdom of people under Satan's control.

Likewise, everyone whose name is not written in the Book of Life is judged and cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:12-15). The beast and the false prophet represent those unbelieving bodies of people who followed Satan's deception.

The same principle applies to the dragon. Revelation identifies the dragon as "that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan" (Revelation 12:9), which represents the spirit of rebellion and deception at work within MEN (compare Ephesians 2:2, "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience"). When Revelation 20:10 says the devil is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are, it is describing the final destruction of all evil and all who belong to it—not proving that three literal individual beings are thrown into the fire.

Jesus Himself called Judas "a devil" (John 6:70-71), not because Judas was a fallen angel, but because he was under his spirit of Satan. Likewise, 1 John 3:8 says, "He that committeth sin is of the devil," showing that "the devil" is manifested through those who practice evil.

Scripture consistently teaches that people are judged. Revelation 20:15 declares, "Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." It does not say that only two individual men called the Beast and the False Prophet are cast into the fire. They are symbolic figures representing the collective enemies of Christ who share in the same final judgment.

Stop watching Left Behind Movie Series nonsense!

Selah!

 

[David in NJ]

Well here is Isaiah 66:1-4:

(Isa 66:1-4 NKJV) Thus says the LORD: "Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest? For all those things My hand has made, And all those things exist," Says the LORD. "But on this one will I look: On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, And who trembles at My word. "He who kills a bull is as if he slays a man; He who sacrifices a lamb, as if he breaks a dog's neck; He who offers a grain offering, as if he offers swine's blood; He who burns incense, as if he blesses an idol. Just as they have chosen their own ways, And their soul delights in their abominations, So will I choose their delusions, And bring their fears on them; Because, when I called, no one answered, When I spoke they did not hear; But they did evil before My eyes, And chose that in which I do not delight."

Where do those verses mention unsaved Jews building a third temple? We have God saying that heaven is His throne and earth His footstool. In view of that, when God asks, "Where is the house that you will build Me?" He is not saying, "You will try to build a third temple." Rather, He is saying that as heaven is His throne and earth His footstool, what house can be built for such an immense Being?

i know where the verse is that contains the reason why the Jews will build a third temple.

You have read it before.

NT Scripture

Paul wrote it

Can you find it?

 

[Truth7t7]

LOL. No.

Revelation is a book filled with signs and symbols (Revelation 1:1). We should not suddenly abandon the symbolic nature of the book and insist that the beast and the false prophet must be two literal men.

The beast and the false prophet represent corporate bodies of unbelief and deception. The first beast symbolizes the kingdom of this world in rebellion against God, while the second beast (the false prophet) represents the body of professed Christians where the false teachers who deceive the nations (Revelation 13:11-18; 16:13; 19:20).

Notice that Scripture never says these are merely two individual men. Instead, the beast has seven heads, ten horns, and crowns (Revelation 13:1). No one interprets those features literally. The angel even explains that the heads and horns symbolize kingdoms and kings (Revelation 17:9-14). The beast is therefore a symbolic entity representing an entire kingdom of people under Satan's control.

Likewise, everyone whose name is not written in the Book of Life is judged and cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:12-15). The beast and the false prophet represent those unbelieving bodies of people who followed Satan's deception.

The same principle applies to the dragon. Revelation identifies the dragon as "that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan" (Revelation 12:9), which represents the spirit of rebellion and deception at work within MEN (compare Ephesians 2:2, "the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience"). When Revelation 20:10 says the devil is cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are, it is describing the final destruction of all evil and all who belong to it—not proving that three literal individual beings are thrown into the fire.

Jesus Himself called Judas "a devil" (John 6:70-71), not because Judas was a fallen angel, but because he was under his spirit of Satan. Likewise, 1 John 3:8 says, "He that committeth sin is of the devil," showing that "the devil" is manifested through those who practice evil.

Scripture consistently teaches that people are judged. Revelation 20:15 declares, "Whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." It does not say that only two individual men called the Beast and the False Prophet are cast into the fire. They are symbolic figures representing the collective enemies of Christ who share in the same final judgment.

Stop watching Left Behind Movie Series nonsense!

Selah!

I Strongly Disagree

It appears many lack wisdom, many hide the fact of (The Beast) being a future literal human man (Dangerous)

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The Beast, A Literal Male Human Being, Pronouns "1st Person Singular" "He" "His" "Him"

Revelation 13:4KJV
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

The Beast will have a living human body

"Cast Alive" "His Body Destroyed"

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Daniel 7:10-11KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

 

[TribulationSigns]

It appears many lack wisdom, many hide the fact of (The Beast) being a future literal human man (Dangerous)

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Clearly you lacks wisdom of Christ because it requires spiritual discernment... and correct Bible translation:

In fact, Scripture plainly says, "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of man" (Revelation 13:18). Please note though the transliteration in most Bibles might say "number of a man," that is NOT what the Scripture actually says. The original reads the "number of man", and no legitimate Bible scholar will deny that since there is no article "a" in the original manuscripts. It actually reads, "Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast, for it is the number of man." And of course, this agrees seamlessly with this imagery of the Beast being the kingdom of unsaved man. Just as those who are servants of God receive the seal, mark or name of God Spiritually written on them, those who are servants of Satan receive his mark. We don't read that we have the name of "a" god written upon us, and it shouldn't. It should be the same for it is the number of man, not of "a man." When we read we are the children of God, the text is the same Greek construction. There shouldn't be children of a God.

Or again, look to Revelation chapter 12.

Revelation 12:3

• "And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads."

This Dragon is Satan, and note we see the same attributes as the Beast. And again, we see Satan is represented with 7 heads and 10 horns exactly as the beast was. This episode of the Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns in Revelation chapter 12 starts taking place before Christ (the man child) was even born and continues to after his death and resurrection. And so we can say unequivocally we understand that this beast with 7 heads and 10 horns represents the Kingdom of Satan as it exists throughout time and is not 7 individual physical kings or one individual man on earth. For example, it represents Satan and his carnal messengers who fight against Christ and His messengers, and that he and his horns and heads have been around since before the first advent of Christ. Our understanding of this has to be based on comparing God's words with God's words and not on man's fancies of individual earthly kingdoms and individual man. As Joseph rhetorically asked, "do not interpretations belong to God?" Indeed they do. Only those with the wisdom of Christ, Selah!

The Beast, A Literal Male Human Being, Pronouns "1st Person Singular" "He" "His" "Him"

Revelation 13:4KJV
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

The Beast will have a living human body

(Chuckle) Weak argument.

This is a typical common objection, but the use of singular pronouns does not, by itself, prove that the beast is a single individual.

The Bible frequently uses a singular figure to represent a collective body of people, a kingdom, or an institution.

Here are several examples:

• Daniel 7: Each beast is described as "he," yet the beasts represent kingdoms and their rulers. For example, the fourth beast symbolizes an empire, not merely one man (Daniel 7:17, 23). The king and the kingdom are often interchangeable.
• The harlot in Revelation 17 is called "she" and "her," but she represents an entire unfaithful body of God's congregation, not one woman.
• The woman in Revelation 12 is referred to as "she" and "her," yet she represents the covenant people of God, first Israel and then the New Testament church—not one literal woman.
• The bride of Christ is always "she," yet the bride is billions of believers from the Old and the New Testament!

See? Likewise, the beast can be spoken of as "he," "him," and "his" while representing a corporate body. Selah! Next!

"Cast Alive" "His Body Destroyed"

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Daniel 7:10-11KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

His body of un-regenerated people. Okay got it.

 

[Douggg]

I Strongly Disagree

It appears many lack wisdom, many hide the fact of (The Beast) being a future literal human man (Dangerous)

Revelation 13:18KJV
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The Beast, A Literal Male Human Being, Pronouns "1st Person Singular" "He" "His" "Him"

Revelation 13:4KJV
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

The Beast will have a living human body

"Cast Alive" "His Body Destroyed"

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Daniel 7:10-11KJV
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

The beast-king and the false prophet will both be male human beings - and both Jews.

 

[ewq1938]

The beast-king and the false prophet will both be male human beings

And are these two people mentioned anywhere outside of Rev in the same verse or passage?

 

[ewq1938]

I Strongly Disagree

It appears many lack wisdom, many hide the fact of (The Beast) being a future literal human man (Dangerous)

The beast is not a man.
The beast is a man.

Both are true.

 

[Douggg]

And are these two people mentioned anywhere outside of Rev in the same verse or passage?

I don't know.

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As a side note, the Jews of Judaism are looking for the return of Elijah to anoint the person who they think is their awaited King of Israel messiah - as the King of Israel.

Part of their beliefs is the messiah has to be anointed the King of Israel by a "known" prophet. Historically, that was done to Saul, David, Solomon.

Anyway, Elijah when he battled the prophets of baal, called down fire from heaven.

So, regarding the false prophet, if you look at Revelation 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

So, the Jews of Judaism will likely believe initially that the false prophet is the embodiment of Elijah.

It will be the false prophet who anoints the person as the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah. At that point, the person becomes what is commonly referred to as "the Antichrist".

 

[Douggg]

The beast is not a man.
The beast is a man.

Both are true.

Yes, the beast coming out of sea - will be the kingdom of the beast- king (a man).

 

[Douggg]

In fact, Scripture plainly says, "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of man" (Revelation 13:18). Please note though the transliteration in most Bibles might say "number of a man," that is NOT what the Scripture actually says. The original reads the "number of man", and no legitimate Bible scholar will deny that since there is no article "a" in the original manuscripts.

okay, let's look at Revelation 13.17...

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. kjv

So that is the number of a specific man.

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What do you think will be the image of the beast, if not a statue image ?

 

[Truth7t7]

The harlot in Revelation 17 is called "she" and "her," but she represents an entire unfaithful body of God's congregation, not one woman.

"False"

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia.
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[Douggg]

"False"

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia.
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Mystery, Babylon the Great, is the spiritual kingdom of Satan and his angels. Responsible for the abominations upon the earth, and organizations having false religious principles.

The great whore is referring to the Roman Catholic Church, specifically the Vatican located in Rome, known as the city of the seven hills (mountains). The Vatican persecuted and killed many Christians during the reformation break away from the Vatican's control, in the 1500-1600's.

The dress of the whore - purple and scarlet - refers to the Vatican's group of bishops (purple) cardinals (scarlet) robes.

The RCC has a presence in all nations around the world. And has ,historically, had a big influence over the EU nations.

The ten kings in of Revelation 17:12, will be ten end times EU leaders.

And we read in Revelation 17:16...

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

So, what they are going to do is burn the Vatican to the ground when the beast-king comes to power.