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The 4 horsemen in Rev 6 aren't Jesus. The crown signifies authority granted by Jesus. But not Jesus himself.If you expect Jesus to physically return to earth, in His glorifed body, before the seal or trumpet judgements, you set yourself up to be misled.
There are 5 horsemen, the first being this heir to the thrown of David, those that follow are his royal court of destroying Angles, who as all can plainly see, follow his lead.I must admit to a very long delay in replying to posts as not being able to log in.QUOTE (Christina @ Oct 8 2007, 09:44 AM)
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Are you saying Messiah ( Moshiach )is here now if so this is Jewish belief and has no N.T.basis and is in fact going to lead my brother Judah right into Antichrists arms
Quite the contrary; not knowing God's plans and all involved will set one's self up for the Antichrist to draw them in.QUOTE (Christina @ Oct 8 2007, 02:08 PM)
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This is about the most foolish post I have seen yet. Are you claiming to be christ?
I take it you mean Christ Jesus, whom I know personally. By what my LORD and GOD, Christ Jesus has asked for me to do, as his servant, and thus enlightened by Him as to just what in particular, I see all this very and most plainly, as I will be a wittness to this fact thus can testify of and about this truth of God's words.QUOTE (Nova @ Oct 9 2007, 04:19 PM)
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You are describing Jesus in his 2 roles. But it isn't 2 different people. The historic Jesus came sinless. He lived a perfect life. Died for our sins. Was buried & rose. And gave us (Christians) new life in Him sealed by the Holy Spirit. He ascended to heaven. Where He is now. His next return will be as the victorious King, come to do battle against evil. Since scripture says He will come from the clouds, I think it will be hard to miss.Brother, I worried for you. In the last days, Jesus said many will be lead away by false teaching & seek another messiah. Matthew 24 describes this in detail. Please prayfully consider it. I don't wish you to be misled.
Christ Jesus will appear in the clouds, that is up in the air as Paul and others state clearly. Christ Jesus only returns to this earth at the very end of the age, where all the heavens and earth pass away before Him. As Christ Jesus appears in the clouds above, the earth and all else do not pass away. This is only done for the rapture of the saints, both those that are alive at the end of the tribulation and those that are asleep within the earth. It is this heir to the thrown of David that sits upon a thrown on mount Zion, see Ezekiel 21:27 29:21 34:23&24 37:22, 24&25QUOTE (n2thelight @ Oct 13 2007, 09:51 PM)
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JLLet me help you outFirst let me say that the rider of the first white horse is not Christ,it is satan in his role as the anti christ pretending to be ChristNow lets look at Chapter 12 of RevelationRevelation 12:1 "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:In the chapter twelve we leave the last three and a half year period, and return all the way back to the world that was [the first earth age]; and some of the events that happened in the world that was. Then we take a fast sweep through God's plan up to the first day of the Millennium. All of these events recorded in this twelfth chapter may be some-what confusing to you.This "wonder" is a great sign in the heavens. The "woman" here is not the church, for a church building has never delivered any child. This "mother" has nothing to do with the church. This woman is "Israel", the twelve sons of Jacob, or tribes [John 16:21].The same political and social order that was in existence at the end of the first earth age, prior to this age of flesh man, will be ruling over the earth at the end of our current earth age. Fix in your mind that the time period that is being spoken of here is that time when the souls of men were not in the flesh, it was in that first earth age before the events following Genesis 1:2. Revelation 12:2 "And she being with child, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered."This "child" to be delivered is the Messiah, and the woman delivering the child is the symbol of "Israel", however, in the physical sense of this earth age, we call her "Mary". It is Satan's sole purpose to destroy this child. This woman is the wife and the son of Almighty God, and God wants us to feel and understand the events occurring then. What happens to them affects Him, exactly as it would you or I in a similar case.Revelation 12:3 "And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, haven seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads."This wonder, the "Great red dragon", is always Satan. Here again, it is all happening in heaven, prior to Genesis 1:2, in the first earth age. All these events will be just like it will be at the end of this earth age. Satan had seven dominions then, with ten agencies of power and that had their authority. Satan had complete universal control over that prior earth kingdom; and he had total political control. This we will see in Revelation 13, is a copy of this earth age, and the United Nations, with it's ten units of power, taking control over all it's dominions. Though the forms of government and their systems appear at first to be the same, we will see the differences between these two ages: That of the first, and the flesh age we are now in. Revelation 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."The "stars" of heaven are the "sons of God". This "old dragon" caused one third of all of God's creation to follow him. One third of God's children, are all those in their "soul bodies", are also called "angelic souls". No my friend, they do not have wings, but the cherubs do. What it is saying here, is through Satan's fall in the first earth age, he drew one third of God's children to him. He caused them to fall, and they worshipped him, and believed in him to be their God. That is also his desire also for this age; to cause you and I, the children of God, to worship him.When we read that "all living came from mother Eve", it means that "Messiah came from, or through mother Eve". He came through the offspring of mothers Eve, and Mary. And it is through the Messiah, Christ is offering eternal life to all mankind. For acceptance of God's gift, all mankind must pass from death to eternal life through the blood of Jesus Christ. So we see this refers to spiritual life, and not necessarily physical life. Revelation 12:5 "And she brought forth a man child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."The "man child" that was brought forth in the little town of Bethlehem when Jesus the Christ child was born. There are only two events that sit upon this throne, and the only one to do this was a child. Get it? That child is Jesus Christ.This verse covers two advents [comings]; the first is Christ's birth as a child, and His second coming will be at the seventh trumpet. Then He will come to rule all nations with a rod of iron. Jesus Christ will come as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Revelation 12:6 "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her a thousand two hundred and threescore days."This time is when God's protection is given for the woman "Israel". Following the resurrection, and transposing these days into years, it would bring us up to the early 1800's A.D., when the house of Israel nations became superpowers. Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"This event brings us back into heaven. The war is between Satan [the dragon] and his angels, who are fighting against Michael and his angels. Satan will lose. Revelation 12:8 "And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord. This is prophesy that will come in the very near future.
Now to say without a doubt that the first white horse rider is Satan, instead of the heir to the thrown of David, will not have a benificial effect to one and all who are to follow his lead in these last days. Now is it?