Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[bdavidc]

This is not about being a believer or unbeliever but about what one does to others. We will not be judged by the accuracy of pour beliefs.


You are twisting my words. My warnings are real and the ramifications are real.

You say I am twisting your words, but you have not shown where. Quote the exact words I twisted and explain what you actually meant.

You said, “This is not about being a believer or unbeliever but about what one does to others. We will not be judged by the accuracy of our beliefs.”

That statement is directly contrary to Scripture. Jesus said:

“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18).

“If ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins” (John 8:24).

A person’s treatment of others matters, and our works will be judged. But Scripture never teaches that correct belief about Jesus Christ is unimportant. Our works reveal what we truly believe, but good deeds do not give eternal life to someone who rejects the Son.

“He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life” (1 John 5:12).

You also say your warnings are real and the ramifications are real. Repeating that does not prove it. A warning is only true when it agrees with God’s Word. You have warned people that rejecting your interpretation may cut them off from mercy, but you have not produced Scripture giving you that authority.

The real danger is not rejecting your teaching. The real danger is rejecting Jesus Christ and changing His gospel.

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8).

You need to stop hiding behind accusations that your words are being twisted. Address the Scriptures. Does someone who does not have the Son possess life, or not? First John 5:12 answers that plainly.

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree that believers should continue following the Lord, pursue holiness, run the race faithfully, and be watchful for His return. There is no place in the Christian life for complacency or resting on our laurels.

I also agree that believers may face suffering and tribulation. But Acts 14:22 does not say that suffering is God’s part in putting a final spiritual “capstone” in place. It says Paul and Barnabas were strengthening people who were already disciples and exhorting them to continue in the faith through the tribulation they would face.

“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith” (Acts 14:22).

The point is endurance through persecution and hardship, not that suffering itself completes our salvation or makes us finally acceptable to God.

Israel is certainly a warning to us. But Hebrews tells us plainly why that generation failed to enter:

“So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief” (Hebrews 3:19).

And yes, with God all things are possible. God is able to keep His people, strengthen them through suffering, and finish the work He began in them. But we still need Scripture to define what He has promised to do and how He does it.

Well i have a point to make . And you do feel free to test it for your own self .
I see a love that all religoins to include christendom . And its love be of the world
but is being taught as though ITS the LOVE OF GOD .
I See me a peace plan , an ecumenincal peace plan . And again they run to it
believing its the peace plan of GOD . Oh , but boy do i have news for us all .
IT DENIED THE DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS and sold a fat ANTI CHRIST LIE to them all .
And by means of its love and by means of its peace , Its inclusive god will make LAW by means
of a POWERFUL AI digital system , the worship of its god . WHICH they already beleieve to GOD ,
and yet , YOO HOO , GOD DONT LIE , BUT ITS LOVE and ITS PEACE LIED AND DO LIE .
SO who on earth and what on earth is behind this massive merger . WHY SATAN IS OF course
and is preparing all for to recieve he who by PEACE shall destroy many . IOW , ITS A STRONG DELUSION
and it will DAMN Every last one of them . AND t ribualtions against any and all who did not
conform to this inclusive love god and its peace , WILL RAGE as never before . Friend
THESE are the last hours and for all of this so called love and so called peace
THE WRATH OF THE RIGHTEOUS GOD and OF HIS CHRIST shall come upon them all who loved and made A LIE .

 

[bdavidc]

The crows are out. But I am speaking the truth. Of course the adversary wants to tear down what brings light and truth.

One crow can be handled...even as they try to obfuscate the truth...but when crows gather it is death to any truth and decency. That's why a flock of crows is called a "murder" of crows, I suppose.

A group of three or more crows is traditionally considered a murder, while two crows are often joked about as an "attempted murder". Scientifically and officially, however, any gathering of these birds is just called a flock, as "murder" is an old folklore and literary term rather than a strict biological count

Calling us who expose your error “crows” does not make you a prophet, and it does not make your teaching true. It only shows that you have stopped answering Scripture and started attacking the people who are correcting you because you murder God's word, trying to replace it with your own words.

You claim that you are bringing “light and truth,” but your teaching contradicts the plain words of Jesus Christ. Jesus said:

“He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18).

“If ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins” (John 8:24).

“He that hath not the Son of God hath not life” (1 John 5:12).

Yet you teach that this is not about being a believer or unbeliever, and that people will not be judged by the accuracy of their beliefs. That is not light. That is darkness dressed in religious language.

You accuse others of working for the adversary because they refuse to accept your private system. That is spiritual intimidation. Scripture never tells believers to submit to your claims. It tells us to test every teacher by the Word of God: “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20).

By that standard, your teaching fails.

Several people rejecting your false teaching does not make them enemies of truth. It simply means that your errors have become too obvious to ignore. Elijah was opposed because he spoke God’s Word. You are being opposed because you contradict it. Those are not the same thing.

Paul warned: “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:9).

You have created a gospel where unbelievers can be righteous, accepted, and possess a form of life without the Son, while salvation through Christ becomes entrance into some higher spiritual level. That is another gospel. It is not the gospel preached by Christ and the apostles.

Stop calling people crows. Stop pretending that disagreement with you is opposition to God. Stop hiding behind claims of special light. Open the Bible, answer the passages you keep avoiding, and repent of teaching what God’s Word plainly denies.

You should fear God far more than you resent those exposing your error.

“My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation” (James 3:1).

This is not a game, and this is not merely a disagreement over wording. You are teaching people a false way of righteousness and life apart from the Son of God. Unless you repent and return to the truth of Scripture, the warnings you should be concerned about are not your warnings against us. They are God’s warnings against false teachers.

 

[bdavidc]

The world of the Pharisee is a world of pretend. In such a world of pretend, real issues are either soft-pedaled or ignored entirely. Children can play "special forces" without having to undergo any of the rigorous training that would qualify them for such in the real world..
So it is in the church...where the spiritual realm takes on the form of a world of pretend...for those who are outside of eternal reality. It is no wonder that any call to reality spoils the children's game. But the game is real because of evil...and those who seek to bring reality to the game are disturbing evil...and will feel the wrath of the hypocrites (play-actors).


A utopian view of the world always leads to tragedy. Extreme ideologies like Communism or Fascism see through blinded eyes (as in, we are just one murder away from having a perfect society) Or on the religious level...if we just kill this one heretic, we will finally have unity in the church. Jesus was a victim of this kind of ideology...hence the importance of understanding how the world really works. When we try to build the church ourselves, we end up killing Christ, over and over again, inasmuch as we persecute those who come to us with the truth in His Name, with correction, with reproof and rebuke. God once remarked..."They kill all the prophets I send them, but perhaps if I send My Son they will listen". The response by the ones playing the game was...it is better for one man to die than to upset the whole game. So the preachers of truth are hated just like Jesus was hated. The builders have rejected the cornerstone: the pretenders have rejected the truth and eternal reality brought by the spokesmen of truth.. These are spoiling the game, as it were. But the one hosting the game and deciding its rules is the devil himself. That is the truth.


The actual condition of the modern church is a tragic one, and the truth functions as that which quenches the euphoric aspirations of the ones who are fully involved in playing church.


Wisdom is in the house of mourning...more than in the house of rejoicing, and much more than in the house of the pretenders.

You keep presenting yourself as a persecuted prophet while refusing to answer the Scriptures placed before you. Perhaps you are too busy admiring your own “eternal reality” to read them.

The Cornerstone is Jesus Christ, not you. Rejecting your doctrine is not rejecting Christ, and correcting your error is not killing a prophet. You call others Pharisees, pretenders, crows, and servants of the devil, but you still cannot answer:
“He that hath not the Son of God hath not life” (1 John 5:12).

“He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18).

Instead of answering, you climb higher onto your imaginary prophetic platform and announce that everyone below is blind. Elijah mocked prophets who had no answer because their god was false. Your problem is similar. Your system cannot answer the plain Word of God, and when plain Scripture silences your doctrine, you fill the silence by exalting yourself as a persecuted prophet and bearer of special light. That is not the pattern of Christ. It is the pattern of the one who disguises himself as an angel of light.

Come down from the platform. Open the Bible. Answer the verses. Until then, your claim to be a spokesman of truth is only a claim, and the Bible does not back you up but condemns you.

“For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself” (Galatians 6:3).


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[Lizbeth]

I agree that believers should continue following the Lord, pursue holiness, run the race faithfully, and be watchful for His return. There is no place in the Christian life for complacency or resting on our laurels.

I also agree that believers may face suffering and tribulation. But Acts 14:22 does not say that suffering is God’s part in putting a final spiritual “capstone” in place. It says Paul and Barnabas were strengthening people who were already disciples and exhorting them to continue in the faith through the tribulation they would face.

“Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith” (Acts 14:22).

The point is endurance through persecution and hardship, not that suffering itself completes our salvation or makes us finally acceptable to God.

Israel is certainly a warning to us. But Hebrews tells us plainly why that generation failed to enter:

“So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief” (Hebrews 3:19).

And yes, with God all things are possible. God is able to keep His people, strengthen them through suffering, and finish the work He began in them. But we still need Scripture to define what He has promised to do and how He does it.

They entered finally after 40 years of dying to themselves in the wilderness. It was literal death for that generation, but for us it is a picture/allegory/parable of the narrow way of the Cross......if even Jesus learned obedience by the things which He suffered then we aren't exempt...He was our forerunner and example to follow. It took the Israelites 40 years to finally die to themselves and have the faith needed to enter, as it were. And the scripture says suffering is for the purpose of partaking of His holiness. Job is a picture too. Persecuted by Satan but under God's watchful eye......that He might turn it all around for Job's spiritual good. That is why in all these things we are more than conquerors, because God turns all our troubles and trials around for our good......ultimately that we will overcome and have victory over the devil and our flesh/old man.

Heb 12:6-11

For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


2Ti 2:10-12

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:


Mat 10:38-39

And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life (psuche/soul life) for my sake shall find it.

 

[Lizbeth]

You are pushing Jesus to the background and what He has done for God's creation, us here. Enduring people when He walked on Earth, enduring us now who participate in this thread. You preach works, hardly mentioning Jesus.

Us is given one walk, walking in the Spirit, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned -- Romans 12:3

Replying to this part of your post. Amen to this, I hear what you're saying. We all have a different measure. Although I do believe there is a full maturity in the spirit possible, according to our measure, and that we should at least be striving for nothing less.

Pro 4:18

But the path of the just is like the shining sun,
That shines ever brighter unto the perfect day.

And here is Peter reiterating that verse:

2Pe 1:19
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

However:

Rom 8:9

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1Co 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


Rom 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.


Heb 4:1-11

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

For if Jesus (Joshua) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.



There sure seems to be a “yes but not necessarily yet” to these things from what I can see in those scriptures, and I think of Paul saying that he didn’t consider he had attained….until his race was over......and that we should be of the same mind. I believe the danger to the church is that of complacency, sitting on their laurels so to speak instead of continuing to reach/strive/labour for what still lies ahead. That is what it means to run the race so as to win it. Not consider that we have arrived yet. We are in the spirit if we have the spirit, nevertheless we are still being exhorted to walk in the Spirit. We have been made the righteousness of Christ, nevertheless we are still exhorted to seek His righteousness. We have entered His rest (Promised Land) if we believe in Christ, nevertheless at the same time we are still exhorted to labour to enter His rest. And I think the Lord draws us onward with His love on the one hand, and at the same time (or at different times) drives us onward from behind by His fear.

 

[ProDeo]

Replying to this part of your post. Amen to this, I hear what you're saying. We all have a different measure. Although I do believe there is a full maturity in the spirit possible, according to our measure, and that we should at least be striving for nothing less.

Amen to that.

And regarding : each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned -- Romans 12:3

There is a similarity with Jesus parable of the talents in Matt 25 :

Don't put the measure of faith that God has assigned to you in the ground.

Devastating...