Prentis
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Did Ananias follow scripture when he obeyed the Spirit? He followed the truth therein. But the scriptures did not tell him 'go to a street called straight'. ;)
Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth
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The Holy Spirit which gave you the Holy Scriptures is the same Spirit which directed men and women though visions etc?
Yes?
Yes?
Prentis
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Yes, providing you understand the Scriptures (like Ananias...) for God will not give spiritual insight or an interpretation to the ungodly....although, He can and has given visions at times.
I pressed you hard on your original comment because I had an inkling you trusted in a perceived spirit within (based on emotional "feelings") rather than trusting in the Word of God that cannot be broken.
Many Christians today "think" they have the Spirit dwelling in them, although we see lies being taught?
Unlike the Scriptures that contain strong threads weaving through the record in themes, spiritual types, and character studies etc. These Divine thoughts are interwoven and interlaced to produce strength and reliability.
This shows great design beyond any human achievement, take God's Promises for instance, contained within them is absolute strength that CANNOT be broken. A believer can rely totally upon their ability to guide, bless, and lead them to salvation.
Of course the leading and the eventual spiritual birth occurs through the Power of the same Word.
The Holy Word has been preserved for that purpose - to bring to light the Divine plan and glory of God to the knowledge of men and women like us in this forum.
Prentis, it is clear you put your trust in a perceived spirit, which you believe guides you. Now I am not going to say this is, or isn’t the case, however in my humble experience more times than not, fallible men like ourselves get many things wrong about spiritual matters.
I personally will put my entire trust in the Scriptures (not ink on a page) but living Word in the Heart. In this I know they are infallible Words, able to identify those who speak contrary to them.
So I do and say as Jesus revealed to me. (I hope Gypsy is reading this!)
Then Jesus said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
SO what did Jesus do?
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. (Luke 24:25-27)
And again
Luke 24:45
And notice the connection in Mark 12:24?
And Paul in Acts 18:28 (Who had the Holy Spirit but still always used the Scriptures!)
And maybe we could finish on a warning to us all in 2 Peter 3:16.
Know the Scripture because in them is eternal life.
Amen
I pressed you hard on your original comment because I had an inkling you trusted in a perceived spirit within (based on emotional "feelings") rather than trusting in the Word of God that cannot be broken.
Many Christians today "think" they have the Spirit dwelling in them, although we see lies being taught?
Unlike the Scriptures that contain strong threads weaving through the record in themes, spiritual types, and character studies etc. These Divine thoughts are interwoven and interlaced to produce strength and reliability.
This shows great design beyond any human achievement, take God's Promises for instance, contained within them is absolute strength that CANNOT be broken. A believer can rely totally upon their ability to guide, bless, and lead them to salvation.
Of course the leading and the eventual spiritual birth occurs through the Power of the same Word.
The Holy Word has been preserved for that purpose - to bring to light the Divine plan and glory of God to the knowledge of men and women like us in this forum.
Prentis, it is clear you put your trust in a perceived spirit, which you believe guides you. Now I am not going to say this is, or isn’t the case, however in my humble experience more times than not, fallible men like ourselves get many things wrong about spiritual matters.
I personally will put my entire trust in the Scriptures (not ink on a page) but living Word in the Heart. In this I know they are infallible Words, able to identify those who speak contrary to them.
So I do and say as Jesus revealed to me. (I hope Gypsy is reading this!)
Then Jesus said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
SO what did Jesus do?
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. (Luke 24:25-27)
And again
Luke 24:45
And notice the connection in Mark 12:24?
And Paul in Acts 18:28 (Who had the Holy Spirit but still always used the Scriptures!)
And maybe we could finish on a warning to us all in 2 Peter 3:16.
Know the Scripture because in them is eternal life.
Amen
Prentis
New Member
Those very scriptures say that life is in Christ, Insight! :) (John 5:39) And as it says in the many epistles, to God, and to Christ, is the glory, forever and ever... Amen.
I think what needs to be said has been said... No need to keep going here for me.
May the Lord bless you!
I think what needs to be said has been said... No need to keep going here for me.
May the Lord bless you!
I understand Prentis.
To see you acknowledge the source of your understanding and that without the Scriptures you would not know God, Jesus Christ or Salvation is sufficient.
Next time elevate the Fathers Word and not as Veteran stated, make them less important or secondary!
The Spirit cannot be divided.
God Bless.
Insight
To see you acknowledge the source of your understanding and that without the Scriptures you would not know God, Jesus Christ or Salvation is sufficient.
Next time elevate the Fathers Word and not as Veteran stated, make them less important or secondary!
The Spirit cannot be divided.
God Bless.
Insight
Prentis
New Member
Was our Lord Jesus appearing to Ananias by 'vision' a work by The Holy Spirit? One could say yes, but I think that's not a good example for The Holy Spirit working. The idea of an Apostle per Scripture is about being 'sent' by Jesus Christ, directly. That's why our Lord Jesus appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus and Divinely intervened in Paul's life.
There's so much claimed today to be of The Holy Spirit which is actually from another 'spirit', that that should be warning enough for us to stay in God's Holy Writ to know how The Holy Spirit will always align with God's written Word.
Furthermore, in Biblical times, Holy Writ was not available to all peoples like It is today. The fact that It is today, would suggest what from our Heavenly Father? That He intends for us to actually read His Holy Writ like Apostle Paul commanded us. Yet Paul did not just say to read when speaking to Timothy, but to actually study It, to become a 'workman' in It, and by that being approved of God. Being a workman means having a working knowledge of something.
So that definitely is not some idea like, "Well I'm a believer on Christ Jesus, so I don't really need to study His Word but only rely on The Holy Spirit." No, we become a "workman" in God's Holy Writ, to show ourselves approved of Him because He gave His Word to us in that simple fashion. And by that The Holy Spirit teaches us the things of God vs. the things of the devil.
Acts 9:10
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
(KJV)
Note that Ananias was a "disciple" of Jesus Christ. What exactly does that mean? Being a disciple involves the idea of discipline, for our English word comes from the Greek.
And I'm not even going to try to get into discussions about some idea that The Holy Spirit will teach us everything already written in God's Word without the need to read It, for that would be the height of deception.
There's so much claimed today to be of The Holy Spirit which is actually from another 'spirit', that that should be warning enough for us to stay in God's Holy Writ to know how The Holy Spirit will always align with God's written Word.
Furthermore, in Biblical times, Holy Writ was not available to all peoples like It is today. The fact that It is today, would suggest what from our Heavenly Father? That He intends for us to actually read His Holy Writ like Apostle Paul commanded us. Yet Paul did not just say to read when speaking to Timothy, but to actually study It, to become a 'workman' in It, and by that being approved of God. Being a workman means having a working knowledge of something.
So that definitely is not some idea like, "Well I'm a believer on Christ Jesus, so I don't really need to study His Word but only rely on The Holy Spirit." No, we become a "workman" in God's Holy Writ, to show ourselves approved of Him because He gave His Word to us in that simple fashion. And by that The Holy Spirit teaches us the things of God vs. the things of the devil.
Acts 9:10
10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
(KJV)
Note that Ananias was a "disciple" of Jesus Christ. What exactly does that mean? Being a disciple involves the idea of discipline, for our English word comes from the Greek.
And I'm not even going to try to get into discussions about some idea that The Holy Spirit will teach us everything already written in God's Word without the need to read It, for that would be the height of deception.
Veteran
This comment alone needs further discussion and extrapolation.
I would appreciate if you could start such a thread for the sake of those more charismatic Christians here who believe they can abandon the Holy Scriptures in place of any emotional feeling.
Ironically, I find myself applauding you for this insight.
Insight
This comment alone needs further discussion and extrapolation.
I would appreciate if you could start such a thread for the sake of those more charismatic Christians here who believe they can abandon the Holy Scriptures in place of any emotional feeling.
Ironically, I find myself applauding you for this insight.
Insight
Prentis
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I really don't care to get into it that much, but the events in the Edward Irving Church in 1830's Britain would make a good start, even Darby being appalled at things there which were claimed to be of The Holy Spirit. Another would be the 'laughing church' movement that began in Toronto, where a pastor got up to the pulpit and started giggling, until the whole church was in a loud laughter, claiming that was from The Holy Spirit.
And with the 'slain in the Spirit' phenomena, when I looked in God's Word about such an event, the only ones I could find that fell backward from The Power of God were His enemies.
