Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

[covenantee]

So, Israel wannabees use the Talmud?

Used by antichrists and antichrist wannabees.

 

[Jack]

Used by antichrists and antichrist wannabees.

Yeah, Israel wannabees / antiChrists.

 

[covenantee]

That's what I said, Israel wannabees / antiChrists.

Antichrist defenders are antichrist wannabees.

As you well know.

 

[Jack]

Antichrist defenders are antichrist wannabees.

As you well know.

Israel is back to stay and there's NOTHING you can do about it! Get a map. You're not on the map. Israel is!

 

[covenantee]

Israel is back to stay and there's NOTHING you can do about it! Get a map. You're not on the map. Israel is!

Antichrists are bound for hell and there's nothing YOU can do about it!

 

[Zao is life]

I'm rather certain that his "bible" is not even the "Tanach", but rather the "Talmud".

He keeps asking if we even know where Israel is, if we have a map, and saying "You are not Israel!" immediately after that question, as though those who are broken off from the Israel of God can create the seed of Abraham out of the soil of the country they and the U.N named "Israel".

 

[Jack]

Antichrist defenders are antichrist wannabees.

As you well know.

Israel is back to stay and there's NOTHING you can do about it! Get a map. You're not on the map. Israel is!

Antichrists are bound for hell and there's nothing YOU can do about it!

How long have you been obsessed with jealousy for Israel? You sound like these:

Zechariah 14
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[covenantee]

He keeps asking if we even know where Israel is, if we have a map, and saying "You are not Israel!" immediately after that question, as though those who are broken off from the Israel of God can create the seed of Abraham out of the soil of the country they and the U.N named "Israel".

Yeah. The epitome of irrationality.

 

[Jack]

He keeps asking if we even know where Israel is,

And you don't! Hint: It's the Land of the Bible!

if we have a map, and saying "You are not Israel!" immediately after that question, as though those who are broken off from the Israel of God can create the seed of Abraham out of the soil of the country they and the U.N named "Israel".

What Jesus said about Israel wannabees:

Genesis 12
I will curse him who curses you;

 

[covenantee]

Israel is back to stay and there's NOTHING you can do about it! Get a map. You're not on the map. Israel is!

How long have you been obsessed with jealousy for Israel? You sound like these:

Zechariah 14
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

How long have you been obsessed with jealousy for antichrists? Like these:

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

 

[Zao is life]

Yeah. The epitome of irrationality.

If anyone was determined to work hard at trying to make people antisemitic, blaming Jews and their country for his arrogance, this guy would be that one.

I had to catch and correct myself a few times because of his arrogance.

He must be the worst representative for Jews and the worst defender of the country called Israel I ever came across.

But we know he is self-appointed for that task. I think the Jews would chase him out of Israel and far away from their communities everywhere if he had to offer his emissary services to them, because he only encourages people to hate them by his arrogance.​

 

[liafailrock]

1. John taught us that ALL humans who do not believe in the Son of God are anti-Christ(ian). (1 John 2:22-23).

2. Paul taught that not ALL naturally-born descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are Israel (Romans 9:6-8), because those of the naturally-born descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who do not believe in the seed of Abraham (Christ) are broken off from God's covenant-promises that He made with Abraham and his seed (Romans 11:1-5, 17).

They are broken off from the Israel of God. (Galatians 6:16).
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3. Jeremiah said that God would not cut off ALL the seed of Israel when God brings in a New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:36-37), meaning that a remnant would be saved - just as occurred when Jesus had died and risen again (as Paul stated in Romans 11:1-5).

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4. Paul taught us that Gentiles who do believe are grafted into Israel - into God's covenant-promises with Abraham and his seed - and are among the remnant of the naturally-born descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who believe. (Romans 11:17).

5. Peter and Paul both taught us that together these Jews and Gentiles in Christ are the living stones that are God's Tabernacle, indwelt by the Holy Spirit. (Ephesians 2:19-22; 1 Peter 2:5).

6. Paul taught that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile. (Galatians 3:28).

7. Therefore simple arithmetic and logic tells us that the church = Israel = the church.

The person who coined the phrase "Replacement Theology" in respect of what Jesus and His apostles taught is very, very confused, does not understand basic arithmetic, and exalts one anti-Christ(ian) nation above all other anti-Christ(ian) people merely because the nation that he exalts above all other unbelievers, are naturally-born descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Those who follow this heresy are so confused that they do not even realize that they are practicing replacement theology by replacing Christ - the seed who inherits all the promises of God contained in God's covenant with Abraham and his seed - with people who reject Him.

They also fail to realize that the Deliverer who came out of Zion is Jesus, and the day in which He made a covenant (the new covenant) with Israel was the day He took away their (and our) sins (Romans 11:26-27).

They do not understand that ever since the Deliverer came out of Zion and made a new covenant with Israel in the day He took away their (and our sins):-

(a) The fullness of the Gentiles is being grafted into Israel through faith in Christ, sharing with the naturally-born believing descendants of Israel in the root and fatness of the Olive tree; and

(b) IF (Romans 11:23) an unbelieving Jewish person repents of his or her unbelief, the person will be grafted back into the Israel that he is a naturally born descendant of ("their own Olive tree") - and this is because:

i. For the sake of God's promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, they are still loved.
ii. God had mercy on Gentiles who believe through their unbelief.
iii. God is able to graft them in again.

Those who follow this heresy of replacing Israel in Christ with those who are not in Christ, calling them "the chosen nation, or "the elect of God" are so confused that they think the Deliverer is still going to come out of Zion in order to take away ungodliness from Jacob by taking away their sins, and making a new covenant with Jacob (the house of Israel and the house of Judah) in His blood.

They do not understand that when Jesus returns, He returns in judgment of unbelievers, He is not going to return as the Deliverer who takes away sin a second time.​

Well, I have a minor in mathematics but come to a different logical conclusion than you do. As a matter of fact, so did Sir Isaac Newton. While coming to a supposed logical conclusion is commendable, we also have to be aware of logical fallacies that have the appearance of truth. The truth is, Israel was and is the chosen people of God. Yet, they have to be saved, and God will save them. Your definition of chosen seems to be one-sided as there is a chosen or race and a chosen of grace. The former can be true, and yet every bit a child of hell. The latter can be true, and yet not be an Israelite. Or again, they may be an Israelite or a non-Israelite a child of hell. As we would say in mathematics, they are mutually exclusive sets, but God's math is above ours so that ironically they can also depend on each other at least in the purpose of God.

 

[Zao is life]

Well, I have a minor in mathematics but come to a different logical conclusion than you do. As a matter of fact, so did Sir Isaac Newton. While coming to a supposed logical conclusion is commendable, we also have to be aware of logical fallacies that have the appearance of truth. The truth is, Israel was and is the chosen people of God. Yet, they have to be saved, and God will save them. Your definition of chosen seems to be one-sided as there is a chosen or race and a chosen of grace. The former can be true, and yet every bit a child of hell. The latter can be true, and yet not be an Israelite. Or again, they may be an Israelite or a non-Israelite a child of hell. As we would say in mathematics, they are mutually exclusive sets, but God's math is above ours so that ironically they can also depend on each other at least in the purpose of God.

1. Where does the name Israel come from?
2. Who was first to be named named Israel?
3. How many sons did he have?
4. Were the descendants of his sons all Jews?
5. Who are called Israel according to Romans 11:5 & 17?

 

[covenantee]

Yet, they have to be saved, and God will save them.

How does God identify "them"?

1. Their physical DNA
2. Their talmudic religion
3. Their culture
4. Their community
5. Their domicile
6. Something else

 

[Jack]

How long have you been obsessed with jealousy for antichrists? Like these:

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Even your questions are ignorant. Everybody has heard of Israel. Who are you? lol

The Israel wannabees keep telling each other 'we are Israel'. But they're not in Israel helping Israel! Sounds kind of COWARDLY!

 

[covenantee]

Even your questions are ignorant. Everybody has heard of Israel. Who are you? lol

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

You defend serpents.

 

[Jack]

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

You defend serpents.

I did not defend Satan's Israel wannabee cowards.

 

[covenantee]

I did not defend Satan's Israel wannabee cowards.

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

You defend vipers.

 

[Jack]

The Israel wannabee COWARDS cry 'we are Israel' but HIDE when Israel in the Land of the Bible needs help!

 

[covenantee]

The Israel wannabee COWARDS cry 'we are Israel' but HIDE when Israel in the Land of the Bible needs help!

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

You defend the hell-bound damned.