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When are you going to change your username to "Fullness of the nations"?is the only other person I've ever seen in these boards who understand this and acknowledges it.
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When are you going to change your username to "Fullness of the nations"?is the only other person I've ever seen in these boards who understand this and acknowledges it.
How so , by preaching the gospel of JESUS CHRIST .Israel's role according to God's word is to reconcile all the nations to God.
Let us return to the first example written in genesis and see how the serpent works .Israel's role according to God's word is to reconcile all the nations to God.
Israel's role according to God's word is to reconcile all the nations to God.
one quick question and then a reminder .Israel's role was to make manifest God unto all nations. Instead of making God known to the nations (Gentiles) they became arrogant because God had chosen them, and through them the promised Messiah would come. Instead of sharing the "good news" of a coming Messiah with the nations, they considered Gentiles unworthy of salvation. That's why the Messiah, Christ Jesus the Lord must come, that the world might also know Him by turning to Him by grace through faith for life everlasting. Gentiles wanting to know God in the past had to convert to Judaism and become obedient to the Levitical Laws. For that reason Christ came and fulfilled all the Laws required. That so Gentiles as well as Jews that believe in Christ may be eternally saved through Him.
A horrendous and great evil has occured .Israel's role was to make manifest God unto all nations. Instead of making God known to the nations (Gentiles) they became arrogant because God had chosen them, and through them the promised Messiah would come. Instead of sharing the "good news" of a coming Messiah with the nations, they considered Gentiles unworthy of salvation. That's why the Messiah, Christ Jesus the Lord must come, that the world might also know Him by turning to Him by grace through faith for life everlasting. Gentiles wanting to know God in the past had to convert to Judaism and become obedient to the Levitical Laws. For that reason Christ came and fulfilled all the Laws required. That so Gentiles as well as Jews that believe in Christ may be eternally saved through Him.
Israel's role according to God's word is to reconcile all the nations to God.
Israel's role according to God's word is to reconcile all the nations to God.
Immanuel=God with us.For God is one, and there is one Mediator between God and man, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets [pseudoprophḗtēs] will rise and deceive many.
--1 Timothy 2:5
According to God's Word there is only one man who was given to reconcile all nations to God. Only one. Not many men. One man.
But even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up, so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but so that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes on Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the Light, because their deeds were evil.
-- John 3:14-19
The gospel of God - the Word of God - is under attack by pseudo-Christians who sneak in and lie, and exalt those who do not believe the one and only true gospel, calling them "the people whose role is to reconcile all nations to God".
Yet the people the pseudo-Christian speaks of and calls "Israel" are themselves not reconciled to God because of their unbelief regarding the only Mediator between God and men: The man Christ Jesus.
StrongsGreek 05578
ψευδοπροφήτης pseudoprophḗtēs, psyoo-dop-rof-ay'-tace
from 5571 and 4396; a spurious prophet, i.e. pretended foreteller or religious impostor:--false prophet.
StrongsGreek 05571
ψευδής pseudḗs, psyoo-dace'
from 5574; untrue, i.e. erroneous, deceitful, wicked:--false, liar.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who secretly will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing on themselves swift destruction.
pseudo-Christians. Denying Christ. Exalting people who do not even believe in Him, above Christ.
When Adam proved to be disloyal by breaking Jehovah's (God's name, see Isa 12:2; 26:4, KJV) command to not eat (or even touch) fruit from "the tree of knowledge of good and bad" (Gen 2:16, 17; 3:1-6), that established Jehovah's right to set moral boundaries for his new creation of man, he replaced "the first man Adam" with "the last Adam", Jesus Christ, that would be obedient mankind's "father".(1 Cor 15:45; Isa 9:6)"Replacement Theology" turns the word "Israel" into a dual-purpose word, retaining its literal meaning "Israel" as a natural people, but simultaneously turning it into an allegorized term denoting a "spiritual people." There is no basis for inserting this process of allegorization, which began at some point in the Early Church and was adopted by leading figures, including the Church Fathers, who thought it might be on a par with "revelation."
Though Paul does use allegory, he does not allegorize "Israel" by redefining it as the International Church. He only defines the nation as an ideal which is an ages-long process that requires a long time to arrive at. Many are delegitimized not because they have ceased to be Israelis, but only because they have ceased to belong to a nation from which they have religiously departed. They are "cut off" like any apostate would be cut off from a doctrinally-orthodox congregation.
Israelis never cease to be Israelis even when the entire majority have apostacized. That's because there is no nation left to be cut off from--they've all been exiled. But even in exile they remain members of Israel potentially, inasmuch as those Jews in exile have been given a hope of return when they repent of their sins. And even those who remain ignorant in their sins can be restored, since God has indeed promised to restore Israel at a time when they don't deserve it. Ezekiel 36.
What do you mean "replaced?" Do you have a biblical basis for use of this particular word? For example, how can Adam be saved if Adam as been "replaced?" Wouldn't that have delegitimized any sense of "Adam?"When Adam proved to be disloyal by breaking Jehovah's (God's name, see Isa 12:2; 26:4, KJV) command to not eat (or even touch) fruit from "the tree of knowledge of good and bad" (Gen 2:16, 17; 3:1-6), that established Jehovah's right to set moral boundaries for his new creation of man, he replaced "the first man Adam" with "the last Adam", Jesus Christ, that would be obedient mankind's "father".(1 Cor 15:45; Isa 9:
So if God saw this coming from the start why wouldn't He have begun with no "Israel" at all? It was a failed venture, right? "Israel" was illegitimate from the start, from your pov?Likewise of the nation of fleshly Israel, for from the moment the "Hebrews" were released from Egyptian slavery and formed into a new nation and given a set of some 600 laws contained within the Mosaic Law covenant, they were already heading towards apostasy, meaning "to abandon, desert, turn one's back on" Jehovah God.
Yes, we know Israel sinned. The little leaven of sin became a complete national corruption, resulting in a nullification in the covenant. And yet the Prophets spoke of a restoration of Israel's relationship with God, together with restoration of the nation itself. A removal of the Kingdom to you was a permanent removal to someone else who is more worthy?"This has come from Jehovah, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a (new, spiritual) nation producing its fruits (of holy conduct, whereby spiritual "Israel" (Gal 6:16), God's heavenly Kingdom, composed of both Jews and Gentiles (Rom 11:11, 12), has "beaten their swords into plowshares", Isa 2:2-4). Also, the person falling on (or attacking) this stone will be shattered. As for anyone on whom it falls (or attacks), it will crush him.”(Matt 21:42-44)
Link? To the page you copied that from please.When Adam proved to be disloyal by breaking Jehovah's (God's name, see Isa 12:2; 26:4, KJV) command to not eat (or even touch) fruit from "the tree of knowledge of good and bad" (Gen 2:16, 17; 3:1-6), that established Jehovah's right to set moral boundaries for his new creation of man, he replaced "the first man Adam" with "the last Adam", Jesus Christ, that would be obedient mankind's "father".(1 Cor 15:45; Isa 9:6)
Likewise of the nation of fleshly Israel, for from the moment the "Hebrews" were released from Egyptian slavery and formed into a new nation and given a set of some 600 laws contained within the Mosaic Law covenant, they were already heading towards apostasy, meaning "to abandon, desert, turn one's back on" Jehovah God.
At Ezekiel 20, when some of the Israelite elders came to Ezekiel as Jehovah's spokesman to inquire of him, because of their apostasy, Jehovah says to these elders through Ezekiel: "Are you coming to inquire of me ? ‘As surely as I am alive, I will not respond to your inquiry,’ "
Jehovah now tells Ezekiel: "Are you ready to judge them ? Are you ready to judge them (as worthy of destruction), son of man ? Make them know the detestable things that their forefathers did. Tell them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “In the day I chose Israel, I also swore to the offspring of the house of Jacob, and I made myself known to them in the land of Egypt. Yes, I swore to them and said, ‘I am Jehovah your God.’ "
"In that day (in 1513 B.C.E.) I swore that I would bring them out of the land of Egypt to a land that I had searched out for them, one flowing with milk and honey.(Ex 3:8).......I then said to them, ‘Each of you must throw away the detestable things that are before your eyes; do not defile yourselves with the disgusting idols of Egypt. I am Jehovah your God.’ "
"But they rebelled against me and were not willing to listen to me. They did not throw away the detestable things that were before them, and they would not abandon the disgusting idols of Egypt. So I promised to pour out my rage on them and to unleash my anger fully against them in the land of Egypt........."
"So I brought them out of the land of Egypt and led them into the wilderness. I then gave them my statutes and made my judicial decisions known to them (Deut 4:8), so that the man who follows them may have life by them. But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness. They did not walk in my statutes, and they rejected my judicial decisions, which if a man follows them, he will have life by them. They utterly profaned my sabbaths."
"So I promised to pour out my fury on them in the wilderness to exterminate them. I also swore to them in the wilderness that I would not bring them into the land that I had given them—a land flowing with milk and honey, the most beautiful of all the lands—because they rejected my judicial decisions, they did not walk in my statutes, and they profaned my sabbaths, for their heart was following after their disgusting idols."
"But I felt sorry for them, and I did not destroy them; I did not exterminate them in the wilderness. I said to their sons in the wilderness, ‘Do not walk in the regulations of your forefathers or keep their judgments or defile yourselves with their disgusting idols. I am Jehovah your God. Walk in my statutes, and keep my judicial decisions, and carry them out."
"But the sons began to rebel against me. They did not walk in my statutes, and they did not observe and carry out my judicial decisions, which if a man follows them, he will have life by them. My sabbaths they profaned. So I promised to pour out my rage on them and to unleash my anger against them fully in the wilderness."
"Now say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: “Are you defiling yourselves the same way your forefathers did by going after their disgusting idols to commit spiritual prostitution with them ? And are you still defiling yourselves to this day (as in 2023) by offering sacrifices to all your disgusting idols (worshipping the god of nationalism, being militaristic and violent), making your sons pass through the fire (of military deaths, offering them to the god of nationalism) ? "
"Should I at the same time respond to your inquiry, O house of Israel?”’ As surely as I am alive,’ declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘I will not respond to your inquiry.(see 2 Sam 28:6, in which Jehovah never responded to King Saul's request ever again due to his apostasy or turning his back on Jehovah) "
"And what you have in mind when you say, “Let us become like the nations, like the families of the other lands, who worship wood and stone,” it will never happen (or Jehovah will do as Jesus said at Matt 8:12, "the sons of the Kingdom (nation of fleshly Israel) will be thrown into the darkness outside (or has lost Jehovah's favor and became his enemy, see Isa 66:6).....where the weeping and gnashing of their teeth will be", very angry that they have been rejected as Jehovah's people).’”
So, by the time Jesus arrived as the promised Messiah from 29-33 C.E., as "the messenger of the (new) covenant", (Mal 3:1; Jer 31:31-34), the nation of fleshly Israel had become incorrigible, "beyond healing" (2 Chron 36:16), so that Jesus told the Pharisees, who were fleshly Israel's rulers:
"Did you never read in the Scriptures (at Ps 118:22, 23), ‘The stone (Jesus Christ) that the builders (the Jewish religious leaders) rejected (and murdered, Matt 27:35; John 19:6, 15), this has become the chief cornerstone (of God's heavenly Kingdom)."
"This has come from Jehovah, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a (new, spiritual) nation producing its fruits (of holy conduct, whereby spiritual "Israel" (Gal 6:16), God's heavenly Kingdom, composed of both Jews and Gentiles (Rom 11:11, 12), has "beaten their swords into plowshares", Isa 2:2-4). Also, the person falling on (or attacking) this stone will be shattered. As for anyone on whom it falls (or attacks), it will crush him.”(Matt 21:42-44)
After mankind sinned, beginning with Adam, God used one righteous and obedient man to commence His restoration of mankind, in order to finally get what He wanted, that is: A people who have believed in God and freely accepted the salvation offered by Jesus.So if God saw this coming from the start why wouldn't He have begun with no "Israel" at all? It was a failed venture, right? "Israel" was illegitimate from the start,