HammerStone said:
Exactly, that sort of things does exist and it's called the local church. Obviously if everyone agreed 100% about everything then there would be no need of denominations, but we don't have that luxury. I wish and pray for a united Christian world, but I'm not going to let idealism trump my response to reality. There are a myriad of reasons why various groups don't agree and at least some of the concerns are perfectly legitimate.
For example, here in the US we have the LCMS, WELS, ELCA, ELS, ELCIC and LCC. All of these are Lutheran and more than a few in almost everyone one of those denominations would make some claim on being confessional Lutheran, yet there are different denominations with fairly significant belief discrepancies listed above. So who is confessionally Lutheran? The standards will vary depending upon whom you ask.
I made the mistake of treating this community like a church. Christianity Board is not a church. It is where the church gathers, but that does not make it a physical (or virtual) place where people to gather to do church.
Well, that's where the rub comes in, how do we always and unequivocally distinguish between candy-coating and simply packaging a doctrine or truth in modern language?
This is my rub with the liturgical, creedal and confessional crowd. You've taken Christianity and made it something that one has to learn the lingo to be, and I just don't see that being the reality when Paul took the gospel to the Gentiles. It's essentially changing one preference for another, because one can be a cultural Christian of whatever denomination and go through the motions, yet not believe. I don't deny that Protestants do often struggle with watered-down doctrine and feelgood statements, but that doesn't negate honest work. That doesn't negate a guy like Tim Keller, for example.
GOD Chose Those of us who came earlier to share his truths with you who came later. and now You mock us. Because in the liturgy CREEDS and our confessions it always proclims God's BIBLE TRuths hIS forgivness WON for you also.
Let me tell you a thing or two your pastors are not So perfect thet they dont need these same biblical truths as much as the rest of us do..
Your pastors "have been unfaithful" they have forgotten to tell your people Each time they open their forgetful mouths.. about the Forgivnes Jesus has won FOR ALL PEOPLE .
But the old tried and trrue Christian lturgy creeds and confessions never has fogotten to mention Jesus or the forgivness he Has won For all people..
they DONT get DEMENTIA OR HAVE MOMENTS OF DOUBTs Like human pastors have, ABOUT JESUS ... They just confess and proclaim him as true God and Lord as they always have AND ACCORDING to THE scrpture truths
when you Hammestone get to be as faithful as the old Christian liturgy creeds and confessions
that will be your death day the day you are transfered from the churh militant to the church triumphant.
but even then you wont always have been as faithful to Jesus as the liturgy or creed and cnfessons have been..
Why liturgy and creeds No congregation would stick around while some preacher OF YOURS endlesly quoted the Whole bible to them .
SO NO CREED BUT THE BIBLE IS JUST A STUPID and dunb ignorant and feel good thing to say but never lived up to even one of your church's. ever..
The creeds are used so we dont have to attempt to quote the whole bible as people run out of church building in horor and fear their pastor
may just try it.
AND DO YOUR PEOPLE A FAVOR HAVE YOUR PREACHER MASK THEM SELVES with a cosock or SOME simple ROBE .. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THE PREACHERS UNDERWAEAR STICKING OUT OF HIS FLY OR SOME OTHER FAILURE OF DRESS OR EATING HABBITS LEfT ON TIe OR SHIRT COSSICS OR ROBS mask the man so people can think about GODS word yOUR PREACHER ARE USING THE BIBLE I HOPE? OR IS THAt TO old Chistian to?
Angelina said:
It could also come under the Confessional Lutheran banner...I'm sorry but no-one is able to profess that their teaching is 100% correct and other denominations are not because humans can misinterpret the things of God because they are spiritual and we are still partly flesh... :huh:
This is a non-denominational forum site. The idea of it being non-denominational is so that all members of the body of Christ are able to fellowship together, to learn and to share without the denominational lean...The keystone is "Christ Jesus" our Lord and savior. Past experience has taught us that denominational debates contribute to the breakdown of unity, which is found in Christ. Something we are hoping to achieve here - unity in Christ. If we cannot fellowship together here on earth, how are we ever going to get on together in heaven? :blink: Eternal is forever....we are Christians first [followers of Jesus] everything else should be secondary....
There is nothing wrong with promoting your denomination agreed...but this sites purpose is for the promotion of Jesus and not our denomination. You stated that some may leave a denomination due to someone candy coating a truth only to find out that it was a soft peddle but you are talking about a particular teaching and not necessarily denomination. I understand that we are open to discuss doctrinal issues/ beliefs but leave the excessive denominational posts out because forum rules do not allow for it here. We are a Christ centered forum and not denomination centered....
Shalom!!!
The reason why we can believe we are 100 pecent correct is due to a high reguard for Gods word. Luther taugt the bibe was vey clear in what it wanted people to believe.
he also taught the bible is absolute truth.. all these teachigs go against what many churches teach to day,, So i understand where your coming from.
Yet if were right and the bible is absolute truth and the holy spirit makes
'us the unwilling willing to belive it " Than we can be 100 percent right in what we beleive about what Gods promises are and how we receive them what he has revealed in his bible his word and about us being sinners..
So i cant disagree with you more since i beleive the bible is absolute truth and clear in what we are to believe and God wants us all to believe what it says.
and he is even willing to help our unbeleif believe. i wish you would think about it. either you believe the bible is a book of confusion or you believe
that people can have unity of true faith because of the bible.
IM NOT SAYING HERE LUTHERANS PRACTICE the bibles doctrines correctly . We may know the bibles doctrines with 100 percent certanty
YET only Jesus was able to live them PERFECTLY FOR ALL PEOPLE.
So what the lutheran claim to fame is ...........
were beggers of Gods mercy in Christ because of a 100 percent knowlege of the doctrines of christ we see that we are the worst of all sinners..