Sabbath-Keeping

[ATP]

David, who looked by faith forward to Calvary, prayed, "CAST ME NOT AWAY from Thy presence and take not Thy Holy Spirit from me." What makes you think that circumstances are different for we who look back in faith to Calvary?

The circumstances have changed because of what Jesus accomplished on the cross. David existed before resurrection, and the seal of the Holy Spirit came forth at Pentecost after resurrection. Thus, the church age began. Remember when we talked about believing. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal..Eph 1:13 NIV And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

John 6:27 NIV Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."

John 17:26 NIV I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

1 Cor 9:2 NIV Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

2 Cor 1:21-22 NIV Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Eph 4:30 NIV And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

1 Peter 1:3-5 NIV Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 John 2:27 NIV As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

2 John 1:2 NIV because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:

Jude 1:1 NIV Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, To those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ:

Rev 9:4 NIV They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

 

[zeke25]

Thank you, Zeke, for pointing me to The Sermon on the Mount...in fact the Beatitudes are among my very favorite scriptures.
They do not, however, show that Christ's followers do not keep the Ten Commandments, which we know they did...and do.

What I saw was you being incredibly rude to another user because he doesn't agree with you.
Not very Christ-like behavior...and not very loving.
Remember, this is the first post of yours I remember reading. My first impression of you was not very good, I'm afraid...I'm sure you aren't as horrible as you came across in that post. Are you?

Did you check with the Holy Spirit before you hit your enter button?

The Barrd,

I know you are here for fellowship. I pray that the LORD will protect you in your innocence. But I am a Word (Word of God) person. I study and discern doctrines, passages, concepts, etc. We are all members of the same Body of Christ but we have different functions. Some are eyes, some ears, some toes, etc.

Seldom do I post something that I regret because it was in error. When I do, I recant it. My function in the Body is understood by few and approved by even fewer. I do that which I see my Father doing.

Let me give you an example of that which I have studied and teach that will not resonate with you or most anyone. But it is truth. "Church" is not in the Bible. "Church" is not a biblical doctrine. Now how many people in the church world are going to find a common ground with me to intelligently discuss this? Few. How many churches will invite me to speak, since I will preach against their organizational concept? None. Does this bother me? No, not at all. I do as I'm instructed, I'm not my own, I've been purchased by the Blood of Christ.

I could list more: Christ did not rise on Sunday; there is no time period called afternoon in the Bible; the Bible does not teach that a biblical day begins at sundown; the 7th day of Creation Week was not a Saturday therefore sabbath keeping was not instituted in Genesis; and many more such issues. And I'm not opening this up for discussion in this thread. If someone wants to discuss it, then start a thread and invite me over. My doctrines are written not to bring unity, they are written to cause division, to separate the brethren from the pretenders or self-deceived.

Zeke25

 

[Joyful]

Zeke,

Do you believe OSAS is of God?

 

[ATP]

Not only are we granted eternal life by believing folks..John 3:14-15 NIV, John 3:16 NIV, John 5:24 NIV, John 6:40 NIV, John 6:47 NIV, Acts 13:46-48 NIV, 1 John 5:13-14 NIV

God has also placed a seal in us until the day of redemption by believing..Eph 1:13-14 NIV.

2 Tim 3:16-17 NIV ALL Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

The Word of God is a 100% true. Amen.

 

[mjrhealth]

The Word of God is a 100% true. Amen.

Yes Zeke , Jesus is true and in faithful and in Him there is no lie.

Whis is why it troubles me that no one goes to Him...

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

we have the living word, Jesus teh Word of God come in the flesh, but many prefer the dead letter.

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

And wonder why they cant figure it out.??

In all His Love

 

[Barrd]

The Barrd,

I know you are here for fellowship. I pray that the LORD will protect you in your innocence. But I am a Word (Word of God) person. I study and discern doctrines, passages, concepts, etc. We are all members of the same Body of Christ but we have different functions. Some are eyes, some ears, some toes, etc.

Seldom do I post something that I regret because it was in error. When I do, I recant it. My function in the Body is understood by few and approved by even fewer. I do that which I see my Father doing.

Let me give you an example of that which I have studied and teach that will not resonate with you or most anyone. But it is truth. "Church" is not in the Bible. "Church" is not a biblical doctrine. Now how many people in the church world are going to find a common ground with me to intelligently discuss this? Few. How many churches will invite me to speak, since I will preach against their organizational concept? None. Does this bother me? No, not at all. I do as I'm instructed, I'm not my own, I've been purchased by the Blood of Christ.

I could list more: Christ did not rise on Sunday; there is no time period called afternoon in the Bible; the Bible does not teach that a biblical day begins at sundown; the 7th day of Creation Week was not a Saturday therefore sabbath keeping was not instituted in Genesis; and many more such issues. And I'm not opening this up for discussion in this thread. If someone wants to discuss it, then start a thread and invite me over. My doctrines are written not to bring unity, they are written to cause division, to separate the brethren from the pretenders or self-deceived.

Zeke25

You know, Zeke, I want very much to like you. I tend to get along with most folks...more or less.
You just have this "holier than thou" attitude that raises the hair on the back of my neck, you know?
You will never convince me that you were "instructed" to be rude....by the Lord Who told you to love your even your enemy? Not to so much as call your brother a fool? I don't think so. You did not see your Father calling people childish names. This is not a grade school playground, and the bullying tactics just don't go over with me. Sorry.
As it happens, I do agree with you about some of what you said...but that is beside the point.
You could be 100% in complete agreement with me on doctrine...and I would still have a problem with that attitude of yours.
I'm sure you see yourself as some kind of "anointed teacher" or some such thing...(don't they all?)...but I already have a Teacher, thank you.
Remember, it is the one who humbled himself that went down justified...not the guy who bragged to God about what a great guy he was.

I'm sure we could be friends....but I tell you what I tell my own kids and grandkids....
Lose the Tude, Dude!

 

[Phoneman777]

No bro, God convicts the child who disobeys. He doesn't cast them out of the family after adoption.

Even the Holy Spirit testifies that we are His. Wow...

Rom 8:15-17 NIV The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Eph 1:4-5 NIV For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.


Gal 5:6 NIV For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

1 Corinthians 7:19 KJV says, "Circumcision is nothing, uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God" - the Ten Commandments - the breaking of which has always been sin from the beginning (Cain "murdered" Abel, Joseph refused to "commit adultery", etc.)

 

[Phoneman777]

The circumstances have changed because of what Jesus accomplished on the cross. David existed before resurrection, and the seal of the Holy Spirit came forth at Pentecost after resurrection. Thus, the church age began. Remember when we talked about believing. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal..Eph 1:13 NIV And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

John 6:27 NIV Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."

John 17:26 NIV I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

1 Cor 9:2 NIV Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.

2 Cor 1:21-22 NIV Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, 22set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

Eph 4:30 NIV And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

1 Peter 1:3-5 NIV Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 John 2:27 NIV As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

2 John 1:2 NIV because of the truth, which lives in us and will be with us forever:

Jude 1:1 NIV Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, To those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ:

Rev 9:4 NIV They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

"I am the Lord, I CHANGE NOT". What you and countless others have done is taken what DID change and extrapolate that beyond what God has intended - those who looked forward to the Cross in faith showed it by keeping the Mosaic Laws of ceremonies and sacrifices which pointed to coming Messiah, and those of us who who look back to the Cross in faith no longer observe such things seeing that the Messiah to which the Mosaic Law of ceremonies and sacrifices pointed has come. He did not release anyone from the "Moral Law" of the Ten Commandments then, now, or any time in the future, bro.

Is God so inconsistent that He refused to tolerate sin in heaven, refused to tolerate in the Garden of Eden, refused to tolerate it in Noah's day, refused to tolerate it the day of Sodom and Gomorrah, refused to tolerate it on down to Calvary - then according to you He supposedly puts up with is from Holy Ghost filled Christians - and then will not tolerate it after the Second Coming?

 

[mjrhealth]

Phone man, if you had a 2 year old child being toilet trained, would you beat them to death if they made a mess or would you clean them up and so its ok, keep trying.

Jesus did not come full of grace and with a stick, and God is not like men, but so few know Him because they wont take things to God.

You see phoneman based on your rules we are all condemned even you.

I wonder what it is like to condemn the whole word to death...

But soon like Saul you will have your Damascus encounter with Christ, it must be so, and like Saul your eyes will be opened.

In all His Love

 

[Joyful]

Phone man, if you had a 2 year old child being toilet trained, would you beat them to death if they made a mess or would you clean them up and so its ok, keep trying.

This is another inappropriate question. The children are not equal to adults. God is just and fair and merciful. Your question is disregarding God is love.

Besides, no one will be beaten by Jesus just because they disobey Him. But they will perish if they intentionally disobey Him because Jesus gave them condition to inherit God's kingdom. We will get according to what we have done.

It is all about consequences of our choices.

 

[Barrd]

Phone man, if you had a 2 year old child being toilet trained, would you beat them to death if they made a mess or would you clean them up and so its ok, keep trying.

Jesus did not come full of grace and with a stick, and God is not like men, but so few know Him because they wont take things to God.

You see phoneman based on your rules we are all condemned even you.

I wonder what it is like to condemn the whole word to death...

But soon like Saul you will have your Damascus encounter with Christ, it must be so, and like Saul your eyes will be opened.

In all His Love

This is not a valid comparison.
The two year old is being trained...eventually, we expect him to use the bathroom by himself. He has had an "accident"...he didn't soil himself on purpose, thinking that Mom and Dad won't care. It's not as if he is saying that, by golly, Mom and Dad, I like making a mess, and even though I know you don't want me to make a mess, I'm going to do it anyway, because I know you love me enough to keep cleaning me up.
That is just what you are saying to God when you continue in your sin, even though you know very well that God has forbidden it.

You know, when Saul had his Damascus encounter, he was on his way to arrest more Christians and bring them in chains to be executed. He had already been responsible for the deaths of many other Christians, from the time he witnessed the stoning of Stephen, holding the cloaks of the men who killed him.
Do you think he went on killing Christians after Jesus knocked him off his high horse? I know that you know better. Ananias was reluctant to go to him and help him regain his sight, because of who he was and what he had done.
After his Damascus encounter, Saul would not even be known by his former name. He was "made new". If any man knew what grace is really all about, it would be Paul.
Your Damascus encounter happens when you realize that God's long suffering...his patience with sin...will not last forever. A time is coming when we will all face the judgment.
Jesus pleads with you...will you repent, and put your sin behind you, while there is still time?

 

[zeke25]

You know, Zeke, I want very much to like you. I tend to get along with most folks...more or less.
You just have this "holier than thou" attitude that raises the hair on the back of my neck, you know?
You will never convince me that you were "instructed" to be rude....by the Lord Who told you to love your even your enemy? Not to so much as call your brother a fool? I don't think so. You did not see your Father calling people childish names. This is not a grade school playground, and the bullying tactics just don't go over with me. Sorry.
As it happens, I do agree with you about some of what you said...but that is beside the point.
You could be 100% in complete agreement with me on doctrine...and I would still have a problem with that attitude of yours.
I'm sure you see yourself as some kind of "anointed teacher" or some such thing...(don't they all?)...but I already have a Teacher, thank you.
Remember, it is the one who humbled himself that went down justified...not the guy who bragged to God about what a great guy he was.

I'm sure we could be friends....but I tell you what I tell my own kids and grandkids....
Lose the Tude, Dude!

The Barrd,

I’m not impressed with your self righteous attitude. When you judge unrighteously you judge the LORD Himself. Take it up with him. As long as you continue to cozy up with antichrist teachings and fail to repent, we have nothing further to discuss.

Try telling Christ Yahoshua that He was unnecessarily rude and harsh after He said these things. Surely you know better than He.

Matthew 23:33 KJV, “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”

Luke 12:51 KJV, “Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:”


zeke25

 

[ATP]

1 Corinthians 7:19 KJV says, "Circumcision is nothing, uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God" - the Ten Commandments - the breaking of which has always been sin from the beginning (Cain "murdered" Abel, Joseph refused to "commit adultery", etc.)

No Phoneman. These are not the commandments of the Mosaic Law. These are the commandments in Gal 5:6 NIV, the Grace Covenant of the NT.

Gal 5:6 NIV For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

He did not release anyone from the "Moral Law" of the Ten Commandments then, now, or any time in the future, bro.

Read Rom 6:1-14 NIV bro. So what does it mean to you to be "in Christ Jesus"....

Rom 5:5 NIV And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

Rom 8:1 NIV Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus

Rom 8:39 ESV nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 Cor 1:30 NIV It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

Gal 5:6 NIV For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Eph 1:13 NIV And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

You see phoneman based on your rules we are all condemned even you.

Good point. Whoever believes is not condemned Rom 10:9 NIV.

Mark 16:16 NIV Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

John 3:18 NIV Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

John 5:28-29 NIV "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out--those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.

John 8:11 NIV "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

John 16:11 NIV and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

Rom 5:16 NIV Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Rom 8:1-2 NIV Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.

Rom 8:34 ESV Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died--more than that, who was raised--who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

Col 2:13-15 NIV When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us ALL our sins, 14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

 

[zeke25]

Zeke,

Do you believe OSAS is of God?

Hi Joyful,

Since the Bible teaches OSAS, then I believe it, and I believe it is from God.

It is like so many doctrines, people get steered in the wrong direction and go on forever, writing books, etc., and they argue for something that isn't even taught. Those that argue that one can lose their salvation have never understood that it comes from God, not from themselves. If we take a God to man approach, OSAS is easy to see. If we take a man to God approach all sorts of fearful scenarios rear their ugly heads and they spend their Christian walk in fear.

1 John 4:18 KJV, "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."
Zeke25

Zeke25

 

[zeke25]

Yes Zeke , Jesus is true and in faithful and in Him there is no lie.

Whis is why it troubles me that no one goes to Him...

Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

we have the living word, Jesus teh Word of God come in the flesh, but many prefer the dead letter.

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

And wonder why they cant figure it out.??

In all His Love

mjr,

Hang in there, you heart is in the right place.

Zeke25

 

[Joyful]

Hi Joyful,

Since the Bible teaches OSAS, then I believe it, and I believe it is from God.

It is like so many doctrines, people get steered in the wrong direction and go on forever, writing books, etc., and they argue for something that isn't even taught. Those that argue that one can lose their salvation have never understood that it comes from God, not from themselves. If we take a God to man approach, OSAS is easy to see. If we take a man to God approach all sorts of fearful scenarios rear their ugly heads and they spend their Christian walk in fear.

1 John 4:18 KJV, "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."
Zeke25

Zeke25

Thank you.

Now I understand why you fight against phoneman so hard.

I don't believe Jesus teaches OSAS.

I am not so sure about the Sabbath low but I don't fight against who practice it.

 

[Barrd]

The Barrd,

I’m not impressed with your self righteous attitude. When you judge unrighteously you judge the LORD Himself. Take it up with him. As long as you continue to cozy up with antichrist teachings and fail to repent, we have nothing further to discuss.

Try telling Christ Yahoshua that He was unnecessarily rude and harsh after He said these things. Surely you know better than He.

Matthew 23:33 KJV, “Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?”

Luke 12:51 KJV, “Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:”


zeke25

First you tell me about my self-righteous attitude...
Then you put yourself on the same level as Jesus Christ.
Dude, you are not better than me, or Joyful, or Phoneman, or anyone else here. You are just a man, just as sinful and just as imperfect as anyone else here.
Jesus Christ knows people's hearts. You don't. He is God. You are not.
He had every right to call people out on their sins...He is the one Who died for those sins.
You are not going to die for anyone's sins, you don't know anyone else's heart, and above all, YOU ARE NOT GOD.
So, stop trying to put yourself in His place.

You know, it doesn't look as if we are going to be friends, after all. I think I have more respect for ATP, even though we do not agree, than I have for you, who think you have some God-given right to be nasty to people.
At least ATP is sincere in his belief, trying to help those of us who don't have his security. In his own way, he does care about other people...I think...
You, sir, are rude, crude, and not too shrewd....


Edit:
I will pray for you.
But I don't think I want to continue any dialogue with you. There seems very little point in it.

 

[zeke25]

Thank you.

Now I understand why you fight against phoneman so hard.

I don't believe Jesus teaches OSAS.

I am not so sure about the Sabbath low but I don't fight against who practice it.

Joyful,

I haven't concerned myself with the SDA's viewpoint on soteriology. I oppose their teaching on Torah observance and on this thread specifically against sabbath keeping. They do not teach Christian doctrines, nor the gospel of Christ. They teach the gospel of man. Phoneman in particular has blasphemed Christ and speaks against the Blood of Christ. He's only one step away from blaspheming the Holy Ghost, if he hasn't already crossed the line, from which there is no return. Why this is not abundantly clear to others baffles me, except they be reprobates as well. Or, they have failed to avail themselves of the information posted on this very thread. I've posted a entire 5-part teaching, early in the posts, that explains what the Bible has to say about Sabbath Keeping. It is not difficult to follow. The problem is, few have any desire to commit themselves to reading and studying it. And if they do, they read it with blinders on and refuse to accept the biblical teaching on this subject because it makes them uncomfortable. So, they banter back and forth on this thread ad infinitum and they go to bed at night very happy and satisfied because they filled themselves with junk food from the local AM/PM Mart and they are very accustomed to junk food. Real food makes them sick, rather than the other way around. To those this applies to, this one's for you.

Zeke25

 

[zeke25]

First you tell me about my self-righteous attitude...
Then you put yourself on the same level as Jesus Christ.
Dude, you are not better than me, or Joyful, or Phoneman, or anyone else here. You are just a man, just as sinful and just as imperfect as anyone else here.
Jesus Christ knows people's hearts. You don't. He is God. You are not.
He had every right to call people out on their sins...He is the one Who died for those sins.
You are not going to die for anyone's sins, you don't know anyone else's heart, and above all, YOU ARE NOT GOD.
So, stop trying to put yourself in His place.

You know, it doesn't look as if we are going to be friends, after all. I think I have more respect for ATP, even though we do not agree, than I have for you, who think you have some God-given right to be nasty to people.
At least ATP is sincere in his belief, trying to help those of us who don't have his security. In his own way, he does care about other people...I think...
You, sir, are rude, crude, and not too shrewd....


Edit:
I will pray for you.
But I don't think I want to continue any dialogue with you. There seems very little point in it.

the barrd,

You seem to have a real blockage when actually confronted with the gospel of Christ. Do you know what that blockage is? You cannot pick and choose only those verses you like and throw the rest in the garbage.

2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that [Yahoshua the] Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

 

[ATP]

I think I have more respect for ATP, even though we do not agree, than I have for you, who think you have some God-given right to be nasty to people.
At least ATP is sincere in his belief, trying to help those of us who don't have his security. In his own way, he does care about other people...I think...
You, sir, are rude, crude, and not too shrewd....

Matt 18:21:22 NIV Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" 22 Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.