Sabbath-Keeping

[Barrd]

Well, let's go to something more simple.

2 Cor 1:10 NIV He has delivered us from such a deadly peril, and he will deliver us. On him we have set our hope that he will continue to deliver us,

This is why I keep telling you, ATP...
context, context, context.

2Co 1:8 For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
2Co 1:9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
2Co 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;
2Co 1:11 Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.

This isn't about salvation at all. This is about people praying for Paul and his traveling companions who were in great difficulties.

 

[ATP]

Brother ATP, you seem to be avoiding my "dead faith" versus "living faith" point. Do you see the distinction and that the "faith" versus you point to for support for OSAS are "living faith" versus?

Nice dodge, answering question with question.

This is why I keep telling you, ATP...
context, context, context.

2Co 1:8 For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:
2Co 1:9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
2Co 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;
2Co 1:11 Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.

This isn't about salvation at all. This is about people praying for Paul and his traveling companions who were in great difficulties.

Delivering us from death is a part of our salvation sister. It cleary says "he will continue to deliver us". Plain as day.

2 Cor 1:10 NIV He has delivered us from such a deadly peril, and he will deliver us. On him we have set our hope that he will continue to deliver us,

 

[Barrd]

The words "believe" and "eternal life" are in the same sentence, passage for that matter. Explain that one Barrd.

Have you read Christ's instructions to His disciples just before His ascension?

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Most folks want to focus on the bit about waiting for the power from on high...the Charismatic movement is very popular these days.
But it is that second bit there that is the important part.
What were the disciples being told to preach in His name?
Believe and have eternal life? No...although that is the end result, nobody is saying that it isn't. But there is just a tad more to it than that.

The disciples were to teach repentance and the remission of sins. To accept Christ is to accept His call to repentance and a godly life. The idea that we can say a few magic words and then proceed to sin all we like is simply ludicrous. Christ did not die to give us a license to sin...He died to free us from sin.
I honestly do not understand how it is that you don't get that, ATP. You don't strike me as being stupid, as some others here have done. You seem to be a fairly intelligent, well spoken man who knows his Bible fairly well.
You just need a little help.
Don't we all???

 

[ATP]

HThe disciples were to teach repentance and the remission of sins.

That doesn't answer my question.
Those passages are referring to believers preaching repentance to nonbelievers.
So again I ask, why are the words "believe" and "eternal life" in the same sentence.

 

[Barrd]

Nice dodge, answering question with question.


Delivering us from death is a part of our salvation sister. It cleary says "he will continue to deliver us". Plain as day.

2 Cor 1:10 NIV He has delivered us from such a deadly peril, and he will deliver us. On him we have set our hope that he will continue to deliver us,

Oh, my dear...I can understand the confusion here.

2Co 1:8 For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:

They had trouble in Asia. It was bad trouble, so much so that they despaired for their lives. Many many times Paul faced grave danger as he went about preaching the gospel.

2Co 1:9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
2Co 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

I like this...here he is referring to having been spared from his physical death, and looking forward to being eventually delivered unto new life.
He uses every opportunity to preach the gospel of salvation.
And this is the source of the confusion.
Paul is still looking forward to his final deliverance unto new life. He trusts that the God who kept him safe so that he could continue to preach the gospel will raise him up to new life.
2Co 1:11 Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.

He is grateful for their prayers, as who wouldn't be.

 

[ATP]

Oh, my dear...I can understand the confusion here.

2Co 1:8 For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life:

They had trouble in Asia. It was bad trouble, so much so that they despaired for their lives. Many many times Paul faced grave danger as he went about preaching the gospel.

2Co 1:9 But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:
2Co 1:10 Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

I like this...here he is referring to having been spared from his physical death, and looking forward to being eventually delivered unto new life.
He uses every opportunity to preach the gospel of salvation.
And this is the source of the confusion.
Paul is still looking forward to his final deliverance unto new life. He trusts that the God who kept him safe so that he could continue to preach the gospel will raise him up to new life.
2Co 1:11 Ye also helping together by prayer for us, that for the gift bestowed upon us by the means of many persons thanks may be given by many on our behalf.

He is grateful for their prayers, as who wouldn't be.

Good. Do you see now how Jesus is faithful to us until the end?

 

[Barrd]

That doesn't answer my question.
Those passages are referring to believers preaching repentance to nonbelievers.
So again I ask, why are the words "believe" and "eternal life" in the same sentence.

I keep telling you...those verses you keep citing are great, but there are many other verses you must take into consideration as well.
Why do those words appear together in these verses?
Why do the words "repent" and "godly sorrow" appear in other verses.

Let's go back to the days when we first learned to read.
Just because it says "Run, Spot, run" in many sentences, doesn't mean that Dick, Jane, and Sally don't also run, does it? Same idea here.

2Co 7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
2Co 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Paul had been concerned that Corinthians would resent the first letter he had written and that they would be alienated from his friendship.
But now he sees that their sorrow had led them to repentance.

"I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner... For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation"

Now it is obvious that Paul is talking here to believers. These are people who have already accepted Christ, but who have "backslid"...(I really hate that word)...they had sinned. He is rejoicing because they were moved to a godly sorrow that led them to repentance.

 

[Barrd]

Good. Do you see now how Jesus is faithful to us until the end?

Dear man, Jesus' faithfulness was never in question.
Ours is.
The question isn't whether He will be faithful toward us, but whether we will be faithful toward Him.
That is why I say that someone who continues in sin after he has come to Christ was never truly saved in the first place. If they had been, the Holy Spirit would have convicted him and he would have repented.

1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

 

[ATP]

I keep telling you...those verses you keep citing are great, but there are many other verses you must take into consideration as well.
Why do those words appear together in these verses?
Why do the words "repent" and "godly sorrow" appear in other verses.

Let's go back to the days when we first learned to read.
Just because it says "Run, Spot, run" in many sentences, doesn't mean that Dick, Jane, and Sally don't also run, does it? Same idea here.

2Co 7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
2Co 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Paul had been concerned that Corinthians would resent the first letter he had written and that they would be alienated from his friendship.
But now he sees that their sorrow had led them to repentance.

"I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner... For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation"

Now it is obvious that Paul is talking here to believers. These are people who have already accepted Christ, but who have "backslid"...(I really hate that word)...they had sinned. He is rejoicing because they were moved to a godly sorrow that led them to repentance.

Yes! Now you are preaching repentance for believers. But nowhere does it say if you do not repent, you lose salvation.

 

[ATP]

Dear man, Jesus' faithfulness was never in question.
Ours is.
The question isn't whether He will be faithful toward us, but whether we will be faithful toward Him.

2 Tim 2:13 NIV.

 

[Barrd]

Yes! Now you are preaching repentance for believers. But nowhere does it say if you do not repent, you lose salvation.

.ATP, look again.
Read this verse again:

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Now what do you think "godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation" actually means?
Had they not repented, do you think they would still have been saved?
Honestly, ATP...

It isn't rocket science <_<

 

[ATP]

.ATP, look again.
Read this verse again:

2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Now what do you think "godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation" actually means?
Had they not repented, do you think they would still have been saved?
Honestly, ATP...

It isn't rocket science <_<

This passage is about the sorrow of sin, and the consequences of thereafter. Repenting restores your well being, sinning produces death.

2 Cor 7:10 For grief that is for God's sake produces a remorse of the soul which does not reverse itself and restores to life, but the grief of the world produces death.

sótéria: deliverance, salvation: welfare, prosperity, deliverance, preservation, salvation, safety.

 

[Barrd]

This passage is about the sorrow of sin, and the consequences of thereafter. Repenting restores your well being, sinning produces death.

2 Cor 7:10 For grief that is for God's sake produces a remorse of the soul which does not reverse itself and restores to life, but the grief of the world produces death.

sótéria: deliverance, salvation: welfare, prosperity, deliverance, preservation, salvation, safety.

Your almost there, dear man. Just a few more steps...
Yes...the passage is about the sorrow of sin....and the consequences, which would be death...or "not life". No more eternal life. No more salvation.
Had these people not repented, they would have lost their salvation.
Or, as your version puts it, there is a remorse of the soul which restores to life!

Why would someone who was saved need to be "restored to life" if OSAS were true?

from dictionary.com:
RESTORE:

verb (used with object), restored, restoring. 1.
to bring back into existence, use, or the like; reestablish:
to restore order.


2.
to bring back to a former, original, or normal condition, as a building, statue, or painting.

3.
to bring back to a state of health, soundness, or vigor.

4.
to put back to a former place, or to a former position, rank, etc.:
to restore the king to his throne.


5.
to give back; make return or restitution of (anything taken away or lost).

6.
to reproduce or reconstruct (an ancient building, extinct animal, etc.) in the original state.

 

[ATP]

Show me one verse which teaches in no uncertain terms that we cannot lose salvation.

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

 

[ATP]

Had these people not repented, they would have lost their salvation.

You sure about that. God doesn't contradict. The alternative is where you will find your answer.

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

 

[Barrd]

You sure about that. God doesn't contradict. The alternative is where you will find your answer.

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Yes, ATP, I am sure about that.
And you are not answering my questions, especially the last one.

I will repost it for you:
Why would someone who was saved need to be "restored to life" if OSAS were true?

Please at least try to answer that for me?

 

[ATP]

Yes, ATP, I am sure about that.
And you are not answering my questions, especially the last one.

I will repost it for you:
Why would someone who was saved need to be "restored to life" if OSAS were true?

Please at least try to answer that for me?

"Restored to life" as in their faith is weak. The Bible describes it as anointing. God is life and the devil is death.

Isa 40:31 NIV but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.

 

[Barrd]

The Barrd,

From post 1156, page 52.

Barrd said: “You don't remember telling me all about your special “function”?"

zeke response: What are earth are you talking about? Bearing false witness and lies come in blatant statements that are not true. They also come from insinuations that are made that twist or add words or delete words from that which was previously said, thereby, altering the meaning of that which is being referred to.

So, this is count 1 of bearing false witness in your smear campaign against me.





Barrd: “I seem to recall you telling me how the word "church" wasn't in the Bible (doh), and how that wouldn't "resonate" with me.”

Zeke25: What’s your point? What does doh mean? If you were interested in what the Bible really teaches rather than only your emotions, then you could express an interest in knowing the truth about the doctrine of church.




Barrd: “Also, there is no such thing as "afternoon" nor does a Jewish day begin at sundown...these are some of the misconceptions it is your "function" to correct.”

Zeke: Another false witness by insinuation. Where did I say my “function” was to correct these things? And to whom was I to address this correction? I was giving you an invitation to dig deeper into the Bible.

Count 2 of your bearing false witness.



Barrd: “But no one appreciates you.”

zeke: A blatant lie concocted from only your mind and what you think another is thinking. You are not a mind reader, you are a liar. Where did I express concern that no one appreciates me? I have made statements from time to time to the contrary on this forum and probably on this very thread. I don’t care that I am not appreciated, I am not a man pleaser, nor do I attempt to deceive people, which one must frequently do in order to please men.

The count is now 2 false witnesses, plus 1 lie.





Barrd: “I remember asking you how long it would be before you started attacking me, since I didn't agree with you either”

zeke: Lie #2. Where did I attack you because you didn’t agree with me? Do I attack false doctrine, you bet. Do I rebuke in accordance with the Word of God, you bet. Do I care if you agree with me, not on your life. Why would I care about that? I want you to come into agreement with the Word of God, not the gospel of man. If you teach, preach, or come into agreement with heresy then you can expect push back. You do not get a pass when promoting heresy just because you think you’re a nice person.

The count is now 2 false witnesses, plus 2 lies.





Barrd: “And now you say I'm lying about you. Show me where I have lied”

zeke: I just did.






Barrd: “you and I both know that you cannot show any such thing.”

zeke: Should we add this to your account?



Barrd: “I will pray for you. Perhaps God will help you sort yourself out.”

zeke: Best save your prayers for yourself. But this is false witness #3 by insinuation. If in your opinion I need sorting out, then show me a Scripture that supports that. Otherwise, your statement is false.

False witnesses 3, lies 2.




Barrd: “I'm counting on you to keep your promise...you're through with me.”

zeke: Hmmm, lie #3. Where did I promise? If I feel I have unfinished business, this is a forum setting, I can address that business. Your insinuation does not bind me to a promise you made up out of thin air. I expressed an intention, a feeling, a probable course of action, even a warning to you, but a promise it was not.

False witnesses 3, lies 3.





Barrd: “No more insulting posts”

zeke: Lie #4. Where are the insults? Is it an insult in your mind if someone points out the truth?

False witnesses 3, lies 4.



From post 1517, page 51.

Barrd: “Then you put yourself on the same level as Jesus Christ”

zeke: Blatant lie 5.



False witnesses 3, lies 5.



Barrd: “YOU ARE NOT GOD.
So, stop trying to put yourself in His place.”

zeke: You have an incredible inability to understand what has been plainly written to you. This is lie #6 and #7. I’ve never made the claim to be God. I have never tried to substitute myself for Him. That’s the Pope’s gig, not mine.


False witnesses 3, lies 7.



Barrd: “who think you have some God-given right to be nasty to people.”

zeke: You’re mind reading again, and you are a miserable failure at it. Take up another hobby. Unless you can come up with a Scripture to support your “nasty” claim, this is false witness (by mind reading) #4.


False witnesses 4, lies 7.




Barrd: “At least ATP is sincere in his belief”

zeke: By implication and comparison, in your opinion I am not sincere. That doesn’t make it true. I suppose you think I’m here to blow my own horn. How sad. But you haven’t supported your contention. It is a figment of your imagination. I do wish you would change this immature junior high mentality. This is why it is uncomfortable to discuss anything with you. You bring the discussion down to the diaper section and spew your confused opinions and fantasies all over the thread. I prefer to discuss doctrine. That separates truth from fantasies. I'll give you a pass on this one. The count remains unchanged.





Barrd: “You, sir, are rude, crude, and not too shrewd”

zeke: Once again, another false witness. Where is your Scripture to support this? You don’t have one. This is not about your erroneous perceptions of another’s characteristics. This thread is about the heresy of current day sabbath keeping, by any one for any reason. Please confine your comments to that. There’s really at least 2 more lies here, but I weary of the count, and I haven’t even finished going through all your posts.

Besides, I’ve given enough in answer your post. Because, there is plenty more to go.


zeke25

Your supposed to be through with me, remember?
I know that I am quite through with you.
Have all the tantrum you like, get red in the face and kick your feet.
You are acting like a child who needs a belt across his bottom and some time in his room.
You are not impressing me.

As I said, I will pray for you.

But I will not respond to any more of your childish rants. You have quite exhausted my patience.

 

[Barrd]

"Restored to life" as in their faith is weak. The Bible describes it as anointing. God is life and the devil is death.

Isa 40:31 NIV but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.

You, sir, are an incredibly stubborn man.


2Co 7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
2Co 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
2Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

There is nothing in this passage whatsoever that even vaguely suggests anything about these folks needing their faith renewed at all.
Paul's earlier letter had made them sorry, because in it he described their misdeeds.
But that was a good thing, because it produced godly sorrow, that led to repentance unto salvation.

They weren't in need of having their strength renewed.

They had sinned, and Paul had called them out on it.

And they were moved to repentance unto salvation.

.

 

[Barrd]

The Barrd,

From post 1156, page 52.

Barrd said: “You don't remember telling me all about your special “function”?"

zeke response: What are earth are you talking about? Bearing false witness and lies come in blatant statements that are not true. They also come from insinuations that are made that twist or add words or delete words from that which was previously said, thereby, altering the meaning of that which is being referred to.

So, this is count 1 of bearing false witness in your smear campaign against me.





Barrd: “I seem to recall you telling me how the word "church" wasn't in the Bible (doh), and how that wouldn't "resonate" with me.”

Zeke25: What’s your point? What does doh mean? If you were interested in what the Bible really teaches rather than only your emotions, then you could express an interest in knowing the truth about the doctrine of church.




Barrd: “Also, there is no such thing as "afternoon" nor does a Jewish day begin at sundown...these are some of the misconceptions it is your "function" to correct.”

Zeke: Another false witness by insinuation. Where did I say my “function” was to correct these things? And to whom was I to address this correction? I was giving you an invitation to dig deeper into the Bible.

Count 2 of your bearing false witness.



Barrd: “But no one appreciates you.”

zeke: A blatant lie concocted from only your mind and what you think another is thinking. You are not a mind reader, you are a liar. Where did I express concern that no one appreciates me? I have made statements from time to time to the contrary on this forum and probably on this very thread. I don’t care that I am not appreciated, I am not a man pleaser, nor do I attempt to deceive people, which one must frequently do in order to please men.

The count is now 2 false witnesses, plus 1 lie.





Barrd: “I remember asking you how long it would be before you started attacking me, since I didn't agree with you either”

zeke: Lie #2. Where did I attack you because you didn’t agree with me? Do I attack false doctrine, you bet. Do I rebuke in accordance with the Word of God, you bet. Do I care if you agree with me, not on your life. Why would I care about that? I want you to come into agreement with the Word of God, not the gospel of man. If you teach, preach, or come into agreement with heresy then you can expect push back. You do not get a pass when promoting heresy just because you think you’re a nice person.

The count is now 2 false witnesses, plus 2 lies.





Barrd: “And now you say I'm lying about you. Show me where I have lied”

zeke: I just did.






Barrd: “you and I both know that you cannot show any such thing.”

zeke: Should we add this to your account?



Barrd: “I will pray for you. Perhaps God will help you sort yourself out.”

zeke: Best save your prayers for yourself. But this is false witness #3 by insinuation. If in your opinion I need sorting out, then show me a Scripture that supports that. Otherwise, your statement is false.

False witnesses 3, lies 2.




Barrd: “I'm counting on you to keep your promise...you're through with me.”

zeke: Hmmm, lie #3. Where did I promise? If I feel I have unfinished business, this is a forum setting, I can address that business. Your insinuation does not bind me to a promise you made up out of thin air. I expressed an intention, a feeling, a probable course of action, even a warning to you, but a promise it was not.

False witnesses 3, lies 3.





Barrd: “No more insulting posts”

zeke: Lie #4. Where are the insults? Is it an insult in your mind if someone points out the truth?

False witnesses 3, lies 4.



From post 1517, page 51.

Barrd: “Then you put yourself on the same level as Jesus Christ”

zeke: Blatant lie 5.



False witnesses 3, lies 5.



Barrd: “YOU ARE NOT GOD.
So, stop trying to put yourself in His place.”

zeke: You have an incredible inability to understand what has been plainly written to you. This is lie #6 and #7. I’ve never made the claim to be God. I have never tried to substitute myself for Him. That’s the Pope’s gig, not mine.


False witnesses 3, lies 7.



Barrd: “who think you have some God-given right to be nasty to people.”

zeke: You’re mind reading again, and you are a miserable failure at it. Take up another hobby. Unless you can come up with a Scripture to support your “nasty” claim, this is false witness (by mind reading) #4.


False witnesses 4, lies 7.




Barrd: “At least ATP is sincere in his belief”

zeke: By implication and comparison, in your opinion I am not sincere. That doesn’t make it true. I suppose you think I’m here to blow my own horn. How sad. But you haven’t supported your contention. It is a figment of your imagination. I do wish you would change this immature junior high mentality. This is why it is uncomfortable to discuss anything with you. You bring the discussion down to the diaper section and spew your confused opinions and fantasies all over the thread. I prefer to discuss doctrine. That separates truth from fantasies. I'll give you a pass on this one. The count remains unchanged.





Barrd: “You, sir, are rude, crude, and not too shrewd”

zeke: Once again, another false witness. Where is your Scripture to support this? You don’t have one. This is not about your erroneous perceptions of another’s characteristics. This thread is about the heresy of current day sabbath keeping, by any one for any reason. Please confine your comments to that. There’s really at least 2 more lies here, but I weary of the count, and I haven’t even finished going through all your posts.

Besides, I’ve given enough in answer your post. Because, there is plenty more to go.


zeke25

This was your post to me:

The Barrd,

I know you are here for fellowship. I pray that the LORD will protect you in your innocence. But I am a Word (Word of God) person. I study and discern doctrines, passages, concepts, etc. We are all members of the same Body of Christ but we have different functions. Some are eyes, some ears, some toes, etc.

Seldom do I post something that I regret because it was in error. When I do, I recant it. My function in the Body is understood by few and approved by even fewer. I do that which I see my Father doing.

Let me give you an example of that which I have studied and teach that will not resonate with you or most anyone. But it is truth. "Church" is not in the Bible. "Church" is not a biblical doctrine. Now how many people in the church world are going to find a common ground with me to intelligently discuss this? Few. How many churches will invite me to speak, since I will preach against their organizational concept? None. Does this bother me? No, not at all. I do as I'm instructed, I'm not my own, I've been purchased by the Blood of Christ.

I could list more: Christ did not rise on Sunday; there is no time period called afternoon in the Bible; the Bible does not teach that a biblical day begins at sundown; the 7th day of Creation Week was not a Saturday therefore sabbath keeping was not instituted in Genesis; and many more such issues. And I'm not opening this up for discussion in this thread. If someone wants to discuss it, then start a thread and invite me over. My doctrines are written not to bring unity, they are written to cause division, to separate the brethren from the pretenders or self-deceived.

Zeke25

Notice what you said:

"I study and discern doctrines, passages, concepts, etc. We are all members of the same Body of Christ but we have different functions."
Here you implied that your "function" has to do with discerning doctrines, passages, concepts, etc.

And then you continue to tell me that "church" is not in the Bible, as if this were big news. But your interpretation doesn't "resonate" with people. They won't let you preach your ideas in their church, because you will preach against their church.
Obviously they don't appreciate you.

Next you go on to list several more such things that you have "discerned"...

This is the last rant of yours I will respond to.
You are like a child having a tantrum...
red faced and screaming, kicking your feet...
What you really need is a belt across the place where you sit, and some time out in your bedroom alone.

However, I will continue to pray for you.
I just will not continue to subject myself to your incredible ego.
You may not be through with me...but I am definitely through with you.
Our unpleasant association is at an end.