Sabbath-Keeping

[Axehead]

Axehead, the only requirement for salvation is that we accept Jesus as Savior and Lord.

Obedience to the Ten Commandments is the evidence that He sits enthroned as such upon our heart.
Disobedience to the Ten Commandments is the evidence that Satan sits enthroned upon our heart, regardless of whatever profession of Christ we make.

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him."

That we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Obedience to the 10 commandments does not go as deep as Christ's commandments which are written in our heart.

Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute you;

These are Christ's commandments. See Matthew 5 for more. This and more from Christ is what is written in our hearts. We go beyond the 10 commandments. Evidence that Jesus Christ is enthroned in your heart is the earnest of the Spirit (deposit) and your life is bearing much fruit. (John 15, Gal 5).

The 10 commandments don't have "Love thy neighbor", but Christ's commandments do.

You don't understand what Christ's commandments are, then. I and many others have no condemnation from the Holy Spirit for not keeping Saturday or Sunday as a Sabbath.

You should stop judging your brothers then, in respect to sabbath days.

You are going against what the Holy Spirit penned through Paul and judging your brothers and : Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

 

[mjrhealth]

People get messed up by refusing to accept the plain words of Scripture. James is clear to his audience of Christians that killing renders the killer guilty of violating "thou shalt not kill".

Actually people get meesed up because

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Just look at this whol post, speaks volumes does it not.

As Jesus said, Narrow is teh way that leads to life and few shall find it.

In All His Love

When christians put down teh bible and run too Jesus the world will be a differnt place.

 

[Phoneman777]

Actually people get meesed up because

Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Just look at this whol post, speaks volumes does it not.

As Jesus said, Narrow is teh way that leads to life and few shall find it.

In All His Love

When christians put down teh bible and run too Jesus the world will be a differnt place.

Why do you conclude from this that Jesus is dissuading us from searching the Scriptures when the text plainly commands us to "search the Scriptures"? What He is dissuading us from doing is searching the Scriptures in an attempt to find eternal life that is apart from faith in Jesus alone, of which the Pharisees were guilty.

Friend, putting down the Bible is the very reason why Christians today have been seduced by the false, extra-Biblical Jesus which says a born-again Christian may continue to indulge the same filthy, sinful habits of the past while secure in a belief that a crown of life awaits in the future.

The Bible which you recommend we put down calls this very thing "presumptuous sin...the great transgression". (Psalms 19:13 KJV)

 

[mjrhealth]

Friend, putting down the Bible is the very reason why Christians today have been seduced by the false, extra-Biblical Jesus which says a born-again Christian may continue to indulge the same filthy, sinful habits of the past while secure in a belief that a crown of life awaits in the future.

Actually its because they have relegated Jesus God and teh Holy Spirit to some distant playground. Most dont even believe He can have a conversation with them, The Holy Spirit has gone from" leading us into all teh truth". to some bible teacher, God has being locked up in church and only let out on Saturdays or Sundays, only called upon when all the other avenues come to naught.He is boxed in,Men have pit chains around His feet, shackles on His hands and bound His mouth shut. Jesus every day speaks to people but so few pay Him any mind, if what He says disagrees with them or the bible He is disregarded as if the bible has some mystical power that is greater than God the creator Himself. Its because of this," worshiping the unknown God", that this topic has gotten so long, its because of this so many are stuck in Egypt, refusing to " come out of her my people", than complaining "did God bring us out here to die"living in Babylon where there is confusion because of the different languages spoken,,

Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Joh 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

There is only one way in, but man has found a million ways to try, its all just plain Vanity.

Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

So many are in for a rude awakening, and time is so short.

In all His Love

 

[Axehead]

Obedience to the Ten Commandments is the evidence that He sits enthroned as such upon our heart.
Disobedience to the Ten Commandments is the evidence that Satan sits enthroned upon our heart, regardless of whatever profession of Christ we make.

"Hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him."

You are referring to the wrong commandments, bro. The scriptures are plain and simple about the Law of Moses..

Phoneman777,

I cannot convince you that the fundamental premise of your belief structure is false. Because you CANNOT allow your proof-texts of justification to be used against the fragile system you have built. Even thought you may be scripturally confounded by the numerous problematic texts you encounter along the way you will find a way to work it into your overall structure. So, when your system comes crashing down and the obvious is exposed you will still require no proof.

This is a very common among those who tenaciously cling to the morallaw of God for justification. The Law of Moses is easily categorized into three main aspects: civil (technical societal laws), ceremonial (sacrificial and worship system), and moral (beginning with the "10 commandments").
It is your legal mindset that segregates these integrated aspects of the law in order to preserve a system of fleshly justification. It is, after all, much easier to let go of the aspects dealing with both the Jews' ancient civil technicalities, as well as their worship and sacrificial system.

We see in Acts 15 that Gentiles do not have to keep the Law of Moses.

We should not make it difficult for the gentiles, James said. Instead, it will be enough to give them four rules, which they will find easy to comply with. Why give them these rules? Notice the reason that James gives: “For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath” (v. 21).

James was not encouraging gentile Christians to attend the synagogues. He was not saying they should listen to the laws of Moses. However, because those laws were commonly preached, the apostles should tell the gentiles four rules. Then they would not think that Christianity is more difficult than it is.
To summarize: Some men said that gentiles should be circumcised and obey the laws of Moses or else they could not be saved. Not so, said the apostles. Gentiles are saved by grace and faith. God is pleased to dwell in people who aren’t circumcised and who don’t keep the rituals. But since Moses is widely preached, we need to give a decree that clearly distinguishes the Christian faith from the Law of Moses.

This pleased the entire church, so they wrote it in a letter and sent it to Antioch, where they “were glad for its encouraging message” (v. 31).

Notice the contrasts Paul has made:

The Ten Commandments The New Covenant
written on tablets of stone (v. 4) written on the heart
the letter that kills (v. 6) the Spirit that gives life
a ministry that brought death (v. 7) a ministry that brings life
engraved in letters on stone (v. 7) ministry of the Spirit
came with glory (v. 7) even more glorious
the ministry that condemns (v. 9) the ministry that brings righteousness
no glory now in comparison (v. 10) the surpassing glory
it came with glory (v. 11) much greater glory
it is now fading away (v. 11) the ministry that lasts


Axehead

 

[zeke25]

Seems Zeke is still hungup on Ellen White......he seems to think she created the seventh day Sabbath day..lol...Zeke should know by now God created the seventh day of the week as a rest day, He blessed the day and set it aside for Holy purposes (sanctified) this day...He placed it in His law, the Ten commandments as the fourth commandments...it's not that difficult to understand, unless of course you are following a different spirit, other than the Spirit of God.
And Zeke and Upsi should know, a person does not have to belong to SDA or any denomination to follow the law of God, and His seventh day Sabbath commandment...they seem obsessed with SDA and like to compartmentalize everyone, which is typical of those led by a false spirit.

They should remember, salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments and NOT the sungod/satan and his days of sunday, dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin.

heretoeternity,

Is it possible that you did not blaspheme the Holy Ghost? Yes, it is. But that is between you and God.

Without quoting the exact verses (because you do not believe in the Bible anyway), I will explain to you what that blasphemy is.

When a person does works by the Holy Spirit, and then is accused of doing those works by the devil, then that is blaspheming the Holy Ghost. For example, the Pharisees accused Yahoshua of performing His good works by the power of the devil. Then He taught them the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.

Here is the kicker, however. These pharisees knew who Yahoshua was, but they were jealous of Him. They saw Him heal the sick, preach the good news, and raise the dead. Nevertheless, they condemned Him, plotted against Him, and eventually had Him murdered. But all the while they knew Who He was.

What could possibly be their motivation for rejecting their Messiah and the God of all Creation and blaspheming the Holy Ghost? They were insanely jealous. They had the people under their thumb. These sheep of theirs were being wooed away from their religion and their control. They were insanely mad, insanely angry. How could they, time after time, get angry and accusatory when a sick person was healed on the Sabbath? Because they were insane and totally given over to being demonized.

So, you have accused two men of God of witnessing by an evil spirit, the devil. When, in fact, they were speaking by the Spirit of the Living God. You were insanely jealous that they would not bow to the SDA and your brand of theology. But did you really know that these men were speaking by the power of the Holy Ghost? There appears to be little excuse for you not to have known. Nevertheless, you may have truly been speaking in ignorance, not in open defiance of the Holy Spirit. If you had not allowed yourself to be taught to despise the word of God, the Bible, you may have chosen your words more carefully.

I would strongly urge you to evaluate where this SDA spirit and teaching has led you. It has led you to the brink of eternal damnation and possibly pushed you over the edge. And then I would pray to God that you might be spared of that fate that you so eagerly sold yourself over to.

Dare not to defend yourself regarding this post. Listen, and fear God. Go into your prayer closet. A wrong response will reveal further the condition of your soul. And run as fast as you can from the SDA and all pharisaical religions.

In Christ Yahoshua,

Zeke25

 

[UppsalaDragby]

James said, "If THOU..." meaning CHRISTIANS.

No he didn't!!

James was a saint of the New Covenant and nothing he would have said, under the inspiriation of the Holy Spirit, would be beyond harmonizing it with the doctrine of the New Coventant. The problem only occurs when people 2000 years later pick out certain words and IGNORE the rest of what scripture says. James was speaking in the same manner as we do when we use the word "you" (or THOU if it make you feel better). The word "you" is often used in a GENERAL sense to illustrate a point. For example, I could be speaking about any law on the entire planet and say that "if you break that law then you are also accountable to that law". I could go up to anyone on the street today and say "Hey, if you break one of the Russian laws then surely, according to the Russian legal system, you are a lawbreaker", and they would AGREE with me, without for that matter drawing the conclusion that they actually are under Russian law!

But rather than considering such a possiblity, you are willing to break scripture just to find some desparate way to justify your doctrine.

HARMONIZE with scripture instead!!!

 

[Phoneman777]

That we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

Obedience to the 10 commandments does not go as deep as Christ's commandments which are written in our heart.

Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute you;

These are Christ's commandments. See Matthew 5 for more. This and more from Christ is what is written in our hearts. We go beyond the 10 commandments. Evidence that Jesus Christ is enthroned in your heart is the earnest of the Spirit (deposit) and your life is bearing much fruit. (John 15, Gal 5).

The 10 commandments don't have "Love thy neighbor", but Christ's commandments do.

You don't understand what Christ's commandments are, then. I and many others have no condemnation from the Holy Spirit for not keeping Saturday or Sunday as a Sabbath.

You should stop judging your brothers then, in respect to sabbath days.

You are going against what the Holy Spirit penned through Paul and judging your brothers and : Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Yes, Christ was prophesied to "magnify the law and make it honorable" (lust is adultery, hating is murder, etc.) but somehow "magnify" is interpreted "do away with" by the majority of people who profess Christianity.

 

[Phoneman777]

No he didn't!!

James was a saint of the New Covenant and nothing he would have said, under the inspiriation of the Holy Spirit, would be beyond harmonizing it with the doctrine of the New Coventant. The problem only occurs when people 2000 years later pick out certain words and IGNORE the rest of what scripture says. James was speaking in the same manner as we do when we use the word "you" (or THOU if it make you feel better). The word "you" is often used in a GENERAL sense to illustrate a point. For example, I could be speaking about any law on the entire planet and say that "if you break that law then you are also accountable to that law". I could go up to anyone on the street today and say "Hey, if you break one of the Russian laws then surely, according to the Russian legal system, you are a lawbreaker", and they would AGREE with me, without for that matter drawing the conclusion that they actually are under Russian law!

But rather than considering such a possiblity, you are willing to break scripture just to find some desparate way to justify your doctrine.

HARMONIZE with scripture instead!!!

You're wrong. James was speaking to a Christian audience, but since you cannot accept that Christians who kill become guilty of "thou shalt not kill", you are compelled to claim that James' words applied to everyone in the world except the very people he was speaking to. You seriously needs some sound theological instruction, brother.

 

[Phoneman777]

You are referring to the wrong commandments, bro. The scriptures are plain and simple about the Law of Moses..

Phoneman777,

I cannot convince you that the fundamental premise of your belief structure is false. Because you CANNOT allow your proof-texts of justification to be used against the fragile system you have built. Even thought you may be scripturally confounded by the numerous problematic texts you encounter along the way you will find a way to work it into your overall structure. So, when your system comes crashing down and the obvious is exposed you will still require no proof.

This is a very common among those who tenaciously cling to the morallaw of God for justification. The Law of Moses is easily categorized into three main aspects: civil (technical societal laws), ceremonial (sacrificial and worship system), and moral (beginning with the "10 commandments").
It is your legal mindset that segregates these integrated aspects of the law in order to preserve a system of fleshly justification. It is, after all, much easier to let go of the aspects dealing with both the Jews' ancient civil technicalities, as well as their worship and sacrificial system.

We see in Acts 15 that Gentiles do not have to keep the Law of Moses.

We should not make it difficult for the gentiles, James said. Instead, it will be enough to give them four rules, which they will find easy to comply with. Why give them these rules? Notice the reason that James gives: “For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath” (v. 21).

James was not encouraging gentile Christians to attend the synagogues. He was not saying they should listen to the laws of Moses. However, because those laws were commonly preached, the apostles should tell the gentiles four rules. Then they would not think that Christianity is more difficult than it is.
To summarize: Some men said that gentiles should be circumcised and obey the laws of Moses or else they could not be saved. Not so, said the apostles. Gentiles are saved by grace and faith. God is pleased to dwell in people who aren’t circumcised and who don’t keep the rituals. But since Moses is widely preached, we need to give a decree that clearly distinguishes the Christian faith from the Law of Moses.

This pleased the entire church, so they wrote it in a letter and sent it to Antioch, where they “were glad for its encouraging message” (v. 31).

Notice the contrasts Paul has made:

The Ten Commandments The New Covenant
written on tablets of stone (v. 4) written on the heart
the letter that kills (v. 6) the Spirit that gives life
a ministry that brought death (v. 7) a ministry that brings life
engraved in letters on stone (v. 7) ministry of the Spirit
came with glory (v. 7) even more glorious
the ministry that condemns (v. 9) the ministry that brings righteousness
no glory now in comparison (v. 10) the surpassing glory
it came with glory (v. 11) much greater glory
it is now fading away (v. 11) the ministry that lasts


Axehead

Axehead, there's nothing fragile about the idea that Christians will NEVER be able to steal, or lie, or commit adultery. If Christians are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments, then are we at liberty to break them?

 

[UppsalaDragby]

You're wrong. James was speaking to a Christian audience

And how does that respond to any of the points I brought up???

As usual, it doesn't!

I gave you a valid example of how the "audience" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how one interprets a form of expression that is commonly used in describing scenarios. Address my point, and provide solid evidence that your interpretation is correct and therefore disqualifies mine. Othewise "stop quarreling about words" and do just as I said - harmonize your theology with scripture. Unless of course you are trying to peddle a false doctrine.

... but since you cannot accept that Christians who kill become guilty of "thou shalt not kill"

It's funny that someone who boasts of being able to keep the 10 commandments repeatedly breaks the 9th commanment.

Don't give FALSE TESTIMONY against your brother.... brother!

...you are compelled to claim that James' words applied to everyone in the world except the very people he was speaking to.

No I am not. The word "you", when used in a general sense, does not mean "everyone in the world" (where on earth did you get that from???) but more commonly simply indicates a single ficticious person in order to illustrate a point. When I say something like "when you rob a bank... you need to wear gloves" I am not trying to say that everyone in the world is a bank-robber! And I am DEFINITELY not even saying that YOU are a bank-robber! Get it???

Sheeesh!!! I find it incredibly ironic that someone who boasts, (not only of keeping the 10 commandments), but of being "reasonable and rational", doesn't even understand logic and linguistics..

 

[Axehead]

Axehead, there's nothing fragile about the idea that Christians will NEVER be able to steal, or lie, or commit adultery. If Christians are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments, then are we at liberty to break them?

Committing adultery would not be loving your neighbor or the Lord.

Stealing would not be loving your neighbor or the Lord.

Lying and deceiving others would not be loving your neighbor or the Lord.

These are covered in the Law of Christ written on our hearts that we are to love the Lord our God with all our hearts, soul, mind and strength and to love our neighbor as ourselves. I would not want anyone to lie to me, steal from me or commit adultery with my wife.

So, no we are not at liberty to break the two greatest commandments that Christ gave us. On these, hang ALL the law and the prophets.

 

[mjrhealth]

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

We never had, where never given and have never kept the LAW. It was for teh Jews until Christ than they too where offered grace, God never loved the law, grace was always teh option but man alwauys chooses teh LAW, makes him feel big in His boots, till they trip him up and he falls on his face.

In all His Love

As for adultry, Christ has His bride spotless witghout blemish, right now because of your religion, you are sleeping with another women as are most christians. Thats one law broken.

And why are you and so many christians stuck there because," you will not go to Him so He can give you life"

 

[Phoneman777]

Actually its because they have relegated Jesus God and teh Holy Spirit to some distant playground. Most dont even believe He can have a conversation with them, The Holy Spirit has gone from" leading us into all teh truth". to some bible teacher, God has being locked up in church and only let out on Saturdays or Sundays, only called upon when all the other avenues come to naught.He is boxed in,Men have pit chains around His feet, shackles on His hands and bound His mouth shut. Jesus every day speaks to people but so few pay Him any mind, if what He says disagrees with them or the bible He is disregarded as if the bible has some mystical power that is greater than God the creator Himself. Its because of this," worshiping the unknown God", that this topic has gotten so long, its because of this so many are stuck in Egypt, refusing to " come out of her my people", than complaining "did God bring us out here to die"living in Babylon where there is confusion because of the different languages spoken,,

Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
Joh 10:6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

There is only one way in, but man has found a million ways to try, its all just plain Vanity.

Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

So many are in for a rude awakening, and time is so short.

In all His Love

The Bible is the highest authority for the Christian. And the Bible repeatedly commands a believer to keep the "commandments" and often those "commandments" are excerpts from the "Ten Commandments", so how is it that people claim that the Ten Commandments are not for the believer?

 

[Phoneman777]

Committing adultery would not be loving your neighbor or the Lord.

Stealing would not be loving your neighbor or the Lord.

Lying and deceiving others would not be loving your neighbor or the Lord.

These are covered in the Law of Christ written on our hearts that we are to love the Lord our God with all our hearts, soul, mind and strength and to love our neighbor as ourselves. I would not want anyone to lie to me, steal from me or commit adultery with my wife.

So, no we are not at liberty to break the two greatest commandments that Christ gave us. On these, hang ALL the law and the prophets.

OK, I agree that we are obligated to keep the Two Great Commandments, but I would like a direct answer to this question:

Which of the Ten Commandments can we break and yet still be considered faithfully keeping the Two Great Commandments?

 

[mjrhealth]

The Bible is the highest authority for the Christian. And the Bible repeatedly commands a believer to keep the "commandments" and often those "commandments" are excerpts from the "Ten Commandments", so how is it that people claim that the Ten Commandments are not for the believer?

God is teh highest authotiy above all things, why wont you go to Him??

In All His Love

 

[mjrhealth]

Which of the Ten Commandments can we break and yet still be considered faithfully keeping the Two Great Commandments?

Are you saying taht without the law you would purposely go and break them??

 

[Axehead]

The 10 commandments are inferior to the Law of Christ or walking by the Spirit because they do not deal with the thoughts and intents of the heart. So, Phoneman777 you can keep the 10 commandments and yet lust in your heart and commit adultery in your heart as long as you don't do it physically. I don't see why the 10 commandments then are better than being filled with the Spirit of God so that one can walk by the Spirit and purify their hearts by faith. The law does not purify ones heart, but the Spirit and the word, will.

 

[Phoneman777]

God is teh highest authotiy above all things, why wont you go to Him??

In All His Love

"The Word was God" and "the Word became flesh". Why don't you discover from that Word that the Jesus you've embraced is not the Jesus of Scripture?

 

[ATP]

The 10 commandments are inferior to the Law of Christ or walking by the Spirit because they do not deal with the thoughts and intents of the heart. So, Phoneman777 you can keep the 10 commandments and yet lust in your heart and commit adultery in your heart as long as you don't do it physically. I don't see why the 10 commandments then are better than being filled with the Spirit of God so that one can walk by the Spirit and purify their hearts by faith. The law does not purify ones heart, but the Spirit and the word, will.

Good post Axe. Everyone falls short of His glory every single day. The only reason we repent of bigger sins is because of Grace, not works. We just have to pray sanctification comes quicker. Amen, - ATP