Sabbath-Keeping

[Phoneman777]

This isn't that difficult. Either we are at LIBERTY to break the Ten Commandments b/c we are not OBLIGATED to keep them or we are not at LIBERTY to break the Ten Commandments b/c we are OBLIGATED to keep them:


OBLIGATION - noun: "Something by which a person is bound or obliged to do certain things..."

LIBERTY - noun: "Freedom from obligation..."

Which is it?

 

[Phoneman777]

The differnce betwen law and grace, the law and Love, Death and Life.

Going on what you want phoneman. When you walk down teh street and see a pretty girl and for a brief flash you have thoughts taht please your flesh. You are a dead man for you have broken teh LAW that you so strongly hold on too no grace no mercy, death has being lade at your charge. While for the rest of us who choose love and grace its just oh well, and life goes on, no condemnation, God has made allownces for our flesh and all taken care off. But how can one answer you when you cant even answer one simple question..

Without the law would you purposely go out to,
murder, steal, rape, hate, condemn, sin. lust, not forgive.

You cant this because you dont know love, which I think by know all the readers can see.

In all His Love

Are you incapable of answering YES or NO?

 

[Axehead]

Brothers,

Phoneman, heretoeternity and brakelite, are just "playing" us.

We should stop feeding them and leave the zoo. They won't have anyone to play their broken record to, anymore.

They are obviously not interested in truth.

Axehead

 

[mjrhealth]

not doing this for them but those who seek the truths , as you say that is which they have no desire.

im done the devil can keep his own.

 

[zeke25]

Paul said in Romans "do we make void the law through faith?God forbid. We establish the law" Now upsi and mjr health, what law do you think Paul and Apostle John were referring..you seem to think it is the highway traffic act or patriot act maybe? lol..

Remember salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments (the law of God) and not the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday,dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin!

heretoeternity,

Wrong response. Still mocking God, instead of fearing Him. We are commanded not to even pray for such a one as yourself.

Zeke25

 

[Phoneman777]

Brothers,

Phoneman, heretoeternity and brakelite, are just "playing" us.

We should stop feeding them and leave the zoo. They won't have anyone to play their broken record to, anymore.

They are obviously not interested in truth.

Axehead

Axehead, ad hominem attack is the surest indication that one has lost an argument. If Christians are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments, then are we at liberty to break them, YES or NO?

 

[Phoneman777]

not doing this for them but those who seek the truths , as you say that is which they have no desire.

im done the devil can keep his own.

"All Thy commandments are truth." Psalm 119:151 KJV You were saying something about truth seeking?

 

[Phoneman777]

Paul said in Romans "do we make void the law through faith?God forbid. We establish the law" Now upsi and mjr health, what law do you think Paul and Apostle John were referring..you seem to think it is the highway traffic act or patriot act maybe? lol..

Remember salvation is through the Son of God, His grace and commandments (the law of God) and not the sungod/satan and his doctrines and days of sunday,dec 25th and easter, all of which are non Biblical and of pagan origin!

AMEN, brother! No where in Scripture does it say that Jesus would save His people IN their sin. The Scripture plainly says that He would "save His people FROM their sin".

 

[UppsalaDragby]

This isn't that difficult. Either we are at LIBERTY to break the Ten Commandments b/c we are not OBLIGATED to keep them or we are not at LIBERTY to break the Ten Commandments b/c we are OBLIGATED to keep them:


OBLIGATION - noun: "Something by which a person is bound or obliged to do certain things..."

LIBERTY - noun: "Freedom from obligation..."

Which is it?

Already dealt with.

So why are you not making any attempt to get this discussion moving along by addressing my objection to your argument, rather than just repeating the same things over and over again?

 

[UppsalaDragby]

Axehead, ad hominem attack is the surest indication that one has lost an argument. If Christians are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments, then are we at liberty to break them, YES or NO?

Hypocrite!

 

[UppsalaDragby]

"All Thy commandments are truth." Psalm 119:151 KJV You were saying something about truth seeking?

So what are "all thy commandments"?

 

[UppsalaDragby]

AMEN, brother! No where in Scripture does it say that Jesus would save His people IN their sin. The Scripture plainly says that He would "save His people FROM their sin".

Which refutes what, exactly??

 

[Axehead]

Exodus 20:1
​ And God spake all these words, saying,
I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Looks like God is speaking to the people He brought up out of Egypt, not me. He brought me out of spiritual Egypt with spiritual rest. Praise the Lord!!

If those people that were brought up out of Egypt were alive today and received Christ, they would understand that Christ is their Sabbath Rest and the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus is far superior to the Law of Moses.

I do want to thank the "law keepers", those fallen from grace for giving the rest of us the opportunity to lay out very completely for all the readers why exactly the 10 commandments are inferior to the Law of Christ. They only cover outward actions and physical, ritualistic rest without dealing with an impure heart and giving one spiritual rest from their own religious, fleshly works of self-righteousness.

Axehead

 

[Phoneman777]

Already dealt with.

So why are you not making any attempt to get this discussion moving along by addressing my objection to your argument, rather than just repeating the same things over and over again?

Upp, it is pure nonsense to claim "we are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments but we are not at liberty to act contrary to them". Of all the convoluted ideas I've heard over the years to explain why Christians don't have to obey the Ten Commandments (all were an attempt to justify the disregard of the 4th Commandment), this is the most unbelievable of them all. Do you really have any idea what you are saying?

 

[Phoneman777]

So what are "all thy commandments"?

The commandments that Jesus asks you to keep if you love Him (John 14:15 KJV).

 

[Phoneman777]

I do want to thank the "law keepers", those fallen from grace for giving the rest of us the opportunity to lay out very completely for all the readers why exactly the 10 commandments are inferior to the Law of Christ.

Axehead

Axehead, in Matthew 7:23 KJV Jesus - the God of the Old Testament who wrote His Ten Commandments on stone at Mount Sinai - did not say, "Depart from Me, ye who KEEP the law". He said, "Depart from Me, ye who BREAK the law." What Bible version are you reading, because I would suggest you switch to the KJV.

You should also know that what you refer to as "inferior" Paul refers to as "holy, just, and good".

 

[Phoneman777]

Hypocrite!

Not sure why you call me a hypocrite.

 

[Phoneman777]

Which refutes what, exactly??

The idea that our Savior saves people IN sin instead of FROM sin. James says that if we fail to fulfill our obligation to keep the Ten Commandments we become sinners (James 2:10-12 KJV), yet you and others somehow have concluded that Jesus will save those who do just that.

 

[Phoneman777]

im done the devil can keep his own.

You should know that accusing others of belonging to the devil is a serious violation of forum rules. "Antichrist" means to "take the place of Christ", therefore none of us are to set ourselves up in the judgment seat of Christ, which belongs to Him alone, and pass judgment regarding another's salvation or perceived lack thereof. Do you understand?

 

[UppsalaDragby]

Upp, it is pure nonsense to claim "we are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments but we are not at liberty to act contrary to them". Of all the convoluted ideas I've heard over the years to explain why Christians don't have to obey the Ten Commandments (all were an attempt to justify the disregard of the 4th Commandment), this is the most unbelievable of them all. Do you really have any idea what you are saying?

Where on earth did I say that we are at liberty to act contrary to them? In fact I even pointed this out explicitly in post #582 when I said;
"But don't even TRY for a second try to twist this around, which sabbatarians have the habit of doing, to making it seem that I am saying that it is OK to indulge in practices that are directly contrary to them."

Gee... that appeal didn't fall into good earth, did it???

That is exactly why Paul, who was constantly being harassed by legalists when he said that we were no longer under the law, explained that the result of his theology was NOT that such freedom should lead to sin:

"What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!"

You are trying to twist my words today in EXACTLY the same way as legalists tried to twist Paul's word back in the day. There is NO difference at all. You are wearing the same mantle that they did!

Now if you are going to dishonestly distort what I said, then there is not much I can do about that, but if on the other hand you think you have a valid point, then do what I have said all along - try to avoid breaking the 9th commandment and USE THE QUOTING FACILITY that is available in this forum!